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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else
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Amen to that
Here is legal cannabis for ya!
It's just like everybody wanted, be sure to vote yes quickly folks!
This is such a joke, how can you have legal cannabis and felony possession in the same law.
Brand new law set to go into effect in WA.
http://www.pelleylawgroup.com/seattle-criminal-defenseblog/sb-5052-medical-marijuana-law-update
latest copy
Establishes a class C felony to possess medical grade marijuana substances, unless it is possessed by a designated provider or qualifying patient who obtained it from a licensed marijuana retailer, a retailer with a medical marijuana endorsement, a cooperative, a collective garden, or the designated provider or qualifying patient.
By the way, if you think your endorsement will keep you out of jail think again.
I just dealt with a state cop that took me to jail for a roach(smoked it 3 times you decide how much I had), I did not have it locked up like a gun, but it was in the tool box in the back of my truck inside a container beyond my reach, he still impounded my truck.
He stated:
There was a problem with my card, it was not valid?????
Then he told me that I applied for my card but it has not been accepted yet.
I showed him the card and told him it was sent to me over a year ago, and I also had a old cards that showed I had been a patient for over 5 years straight.
But I still went to jail in handcuffs, truck impounded.
So my point is your endorsement is not worth the paper it is printed on, if they want to take you to jail they will!!!
Just for the nay sayers:
I contacted the state and spoke to the supervisor(she had to call me back).
She assured me there was not one issue from the time I enrolled to date.
She also told me my card was proof enough for court.
I told her it was not, as I was arrested with it in hand.
She agreed it was best she send me the proper paperwork in order to properly defend myself in court.
Funny I had to contact the court within 10 days for a arraignment.
Waited about 8 days and called them.
They said they would call me back.
That was Easter weekend, still no call...Hmmm??
When did the court start calling people back, rather strange I thought!
Just stating real world facts here.
Going to jail for something that is legal, just sounds strange to me.
Anyone else see this as strange?
Shag
It's just like everybody wanted, be sure to vote yes quickly folks!
This is such a joke, how can you have legal cannabis and felony possession in the same law.
Brand new law set to go into effect in WA.
http://www.pelleylawgroup.com/seattle-criminal-defenseblog/sb-5052-medical-marijuana-law-update
latest copy
Establishes a class C felony to possess medical grade marijuana substances, unless it is possessed by a designated provider or qualifying patient who obtained it from a licensed marijuana retailer, a retailer with a medical marijuana endorsement, a cooperative, a collective garden, or the designated provider or qualifying patient.
By the way, if you think your endorsement will keep you out of jail think again.
I just dealt with a state cop that took me to jail for a roach(smoked it 3 times you decide how much I had), I did not have it locked up like a gun, but it was in the tool box in the back of my truck inside a container beyond my reach, he still impounded my truck.
He stated:
There was a problem with my card, it was not valid?????
Then he told me that I applied for my card but it has not been accepted yet.
I showed him the card and told him it was sent to me over a year ago, and I also had a old cards that showed I had been a patient for over 5 years straight.
But I still went to jail in handcuffs, truck impounded.
So my point is your endorsement is not worth the paper it is printed on, if they want to take you to jail they will!!!
Just for the nay sayers:
I contacted the state and spoke to the supervisor(she had to call me back).
She assured me there was not one issue from the time I enrolled to date.
She also told me my card was proof enough for court.
I told her it was not, as I was arrested with it in hand.
She agreed it was best she send me the proper paperwork in order to properly defend myself in court.
Funny I had to contact the court within 10 days for a arraignment.
Waited about 8 days and called them.
They said they would call me back.
That was Easter weekend, still no call...Hmmm??
When did the court start calling people back, rather strange I thought!
Just stating real world facts here.
Going to jail for something that is legal, just sounds strange to me.
Anyone else see this as strange?
Shag
except...washington is legal...by constitution. so this is either old news of smoke blowing in an election year cycle.
also did you even bother to read more than the title or whatver led you to this reactionary post?
also did you even bother to read more than the title or whatver led you to this reactionary post?
i haven't read it all. don't have time and i'm not in washington. plus i'm gonna continue doing whatever i like regardless of laws. but it seems like they're just trying to clarify the law. plus it's legal for adults by constitution. so i dunno how they're gonna make it a felony without another public vote. can't put all the shit back in pandora's box once it's open.
sounds like a dickhead of a cop, or he WAS a dickhead to a dickhead of a cop. it also sounds like there is going to be no prosecution since he has not heard back. legal or not, fucking pigs get their way...temporarily. i think i would sue for malicious prosecution/false arrest. a good lawyer would snap it up like a dog eating bacon...
twist1uc
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sounds like a dickhead of a cop, or he WAS a dickhead to a dickhead of a cop. it also sounds like there is going to be no prosecution since he has not heard back. legal or not, fucking pigs get their way...temporarily. i think i would sue for malicious prosecution/false arrest. a good lawyer would snap it up like a dog eating bacon...
Sounds like StankyBalls was a real asshole to the cop. Why would any cop go through his tool box, in the back of his truck for a fucking roach that was in a container?
StankyBalls' side of it doesn't seem to pass the smell test. You'd have to be a real asshat for them to randomly search your truck like that. Or the cops have had enough history with this tool to break his balls whenever they can.
Look at how he acts here. You think he is a stand up guy beyond the internet? Tool here=tool there.
Ya, look how I act here!! please do!Sounds like StankyBalls was a real asshole to the cop. Why would any cop go through his tool box, in the back of his truck for a fucking roach that was in a container?
Just FYI, I am always yes sir no sir, learned that young!
StankyBalls' side of it doesn't seem to pass the smell test. You'd have to be a real asshat for them to randomly search your truck like that. Or the cops have had enough history with this tool to break his balls whenever they can.
Yep you know it all, musta been there right?
Look at how he acts here. You think he is a stand up guy beyond the Internet? Tool here=tool there.
And how do you act on the Internet, this speaks loudly for your integrity!
Tool here=tool there. you said it not me...People are so silly!
Only judge others if you too can be judged...words to live by there!
Man, talk about turning this into another personal attack. WTF is with you people and avoiding the subject and going right for personal attacks???
Spin it how you want, I know others have had a similar experience!
I have nothing to prove to anyone, and don't give a care if you think it is truth or not!
Who are you to judge me and call me a liar?
Believe what you wish, what do I care, this was written so that some may know the truth!
Nay say all you want, I was there.
What side are you on anyway?
Maybe your the cop that hauled me in...why do you wish to prove me wrong anyway?
What is in it for you?
What is with people who try to bury the truth with personal attacks.
They must have learned it from the politicians.
Don't dare speak the truth here!!!!!
Why yes I did, it seem that you have not.
I saw some good points also.
But:
So should I assume you feel a felony in acceptable for possession of a legal substance?
That just sounds contradictory...no?
how the fuck would it be a felony if it's a legal recreational state as well as med? do you know what a constitution is? they made it legal as part of their constitution. it's never gonna be illegal. so unless you point out specifically where in that document i just quoted from that it says a legal ratified amendment by the people will be overridden by the state then you're just talking nonsense. post that part and i'll shut up, since like i already said, i only read the beginning part of the bill or essay if you will where they outline what they plan on talking about. in school when you deviate from your outline you usually get an F on the assignment so i'd like to see how the shit i quoted turned into a felony for possession by the end of the document.
I'm having a little trouble following the story, Shag.
I don't understand how anybody can be arrested for a roach in WA, given that possession is legal for adults in that State. Having a MMJ card doesn't matter for small amounts. Or are you talking about a different state?
If it's a MMJ state, then it's obviously not a legalized state, is it? Of course not.
Perhaps you're trying to compare apples to aardvarks.
What's the formal charge? Possession, or driving under the influence?
Did you get your truck back?
I don't understand how anybody can be arrested for a roach in WA, given that possession is legal for adults in that State. Having a MMJ card doesn't matter for small amounts. Or are you talking about a different state?
If it's a MMJ state, then it's obviously not a legalized state, is it? Of course not.
Perhaps you're trying to compare apples to aardvarks.
What's the formal charge? Possession, or driving under the influence?
Did you get your truck back?
foreignerabroad
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the way the government is attempting to "legalize" cannabis is only a way to control the access of it and tax it... there are much better ways to restore the economy with cannabis and hemp without stripping the people of their power to grow it.
Washington is a prime example of what not to do, they "legalized" cannabis, then shut out co-operatives so that only select major farm corporations with enough money/land could then control the supply...
a friend of mine married into a rich farming family in Central Eastern WA... they said that the government sold a certain number of permits to qualified farms to grow cannabis commercially. some of the requirements to grow are; huge one-time and yearly fees, a certain minimum acreage(>500), self-sustainable water supply(no city water used), and a corn crop/barbwire barrier surrounding the cannabis. the "legal" limit for these corporations is to use up to 20% or 1/5th of your land for cannabis. the farm land in WA is parceled out in 300 acre circles, so the maximum acreage for cannabis farming is ~60 ACRES... cannabis in the center, surrounded by corn, surrounded by bard wire, with farmer Frank cruising the rows in his John Deere. mainly auto-flowering strains are grown under industrial size greenhouses with open sidewalls, treated with Avid, Eagle 20, and who knows what other industrial agricultural chemicals...
who works these plantations? yep you guessed it, not White folks... these big time corporations then sell their conventionally grown, auto-flowering, pesticide ridden herb for around $1/gram to huge processing companies who then process this stuff in to "medicinal" or "recreational" concentrates/joints/edibles in large factories. this is the stuff your average stoner is buying from the local dispensary and stuffing their e-pen with daily...
the holy herb will always be sought after and hoarded by money motivated business, vote NO on corporate "legalization" and vote YES on full de-criminalization!
Washington is a prime example of what not to do, they "legalized" cannabis, then shut out co-operatives so that only select major farm corporations with enough money/land could then control the supply...
a friend of mine married into a rich farming family in Central Eastern WA... they said that the government sold a certain number of permits to qualified farms to grow cannabis commercially. some of the requirements to grow are; huge one-time and yearly fees, a certain minimum acreage(>500), self-sustainable water supply(no city water used), and a corn crop/barbwire barrier surrounding the cannabis. the "legal" limit for these corporations is to use up to 20% or 1/5th of your land for cannabis. the farm land in WA is parceled out in 300 acre circles, so the maximum acreage for cannabis farming is ~60 ACRES... cannabis in the center, surrounded by corn, surrounded by bard wire, with farmer Frank cruising the rows in his John Deere. mainly auto-flowering strains are grown under industrial size greenhouses with open sidewalls, treated with Avid, Eagle 20, and who knows what other industrial agricultural chemicals...
who works these plantations? yep you guessed it, not White folks... these big time corporations then sell their conventionally grown, auto-flowering, pesticide ridden herb for around $1/gram to huge processing companies who then process this stuff in to "medicinal" or "recreational" concentrates/joints/edibles in large factories. this is the stuff your average stoner is buying from the local dispensary and stuffing their e-pen with daily...
the holy herb will always be sought after and hoarded by money motivated business, vote NO on corporate "legalization" and vote YES on full de-criminalization!
That's not what Shag said happened, is it?
Not that it really matters, but you'll get busted if they find you toking while driving, either for DUI or at the least toking in public. If there are ready to use smokables in sight & in reach, they'll be taking a hard look at you at the very least. It's not grounds for confiscation or search, at least as I understand it. If you're busted for DUI, they'll likely impound the vehicle & search it.
A roach in a bottle in a toolbox in the back of the truck wouldn't be an issue here in CO.
With just a quick skim over section 2, article 38 of the Washington State Constitution.
Seems like the constitution is being overridden, not sure though you really need to be a lawyer to know for sure...LOL
Section 38 - Limitation on Amendments
No amendment to any bill shall be allowed which shall change the scope and object of the bill.
Could this be done in CO. ?
By the way Jhhnn, my incident was in MI. not WA. sorry if I mislead you.
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To be clear to others:
My point was my card seemed completely useless at least for the moment.
shag
Seems like the constitution is being overridden, not sure though you really need to be a lawyer to know for sure...LOL
Section 38 - Limitation on Amendments
No amendment to any bill shall be allowed which shall change the scope and object of the bill.
Could this be done in CO. ?
By the way Jhhnn, my incident was in MI. not WA. sorry if I mislead you.
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To be clear to others:
My point was my card seemed completely useless at least for the moment.
shag
This guy sees the truth!
Looks like I am not the only one with issues in the mitten!
Found this:
Michigan: Medical Marijuana Battle, Father Fights For Custody Of Son
Medical marijuana is a controversial, sometimes sticky issue, especially in Michigan.
Max Lorincz is a father from Spring Lake who is fighting for his right to use medical marijuana, and get his son back. He’s a card-carrying patient, but was charged with a felony, after a single smear of oil was found in his home.
After Lorincz’s probable cause hearing has left him waiting for a decision from a judge.
Since seeing FOX 17’s coverage of Lorincz’s case back in February, Defense Attorney and President of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association Michael Komorn took on Lorincz’s case pro-bono. For the last six years, Komorn said he’s dedicated his practice exclusively to medical marijuana patient and caregiver representation.
Komorn called Lorincz’s case “scandalous,” and said a major problem here is law enforcement dealing with a public health issue.
Like many card-carrying medical marijuana patients across the state, Lorincz is caught between his doctor’s orders and a judge.
“When I follow my doctor`s recommendations that`s when my health started to get better; going back and following what the judge is saying, my health is just deteriorating ever since,” said Lorincz. “So it`s a scary road I`m going down, but I have to comply with what they`re asking and I just don`t know what else to do.”
But his case has come with some devastating consequences. In February Lorincz was charged with a two-year felony: possession of a schedule 1, controlled, synthetic substance. Schedule 1 is defined as a controlled substance that has no medical use.
Now his five-year-old son is taken away, and he is left with only supervised visits. All of this because Lorincz called 911 in September for a family medical emergency. The deputy who responded to the call found a smear of butane hash oil in his home. It’s a substance Lorincz ingests for what he called “deep pain relief,” and is something he obtained with his medical marijuana card.
“I’m outraged by it, it shouldn’t have happened,” said Komorn.
Komorn said medical marijuana is not a controlled substance. In fact, Michigan law states marijuana is a schedule 2 drug. Yet because Lorincz is charged with having a schedule 1 drug, and not specifically marijuana, Komorn said it is difficult to protect Lorincz under section 8 immunity of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.
Komorn believed part of the issue is a recent policy change in Michigan State Police Lab reporting.
“They had a policy change by why?” asked Komorn. “The policy changed. The motivation for it was if they report it this way, people like Max won’t be able to claim a medical marijuana defense.”
The lab technician in Lorincz’s case testified that he has been testing tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, for 25 years. THC is the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, also present in synthetics. However, a recent policy change means the technicians have to write “origin unknown” when testing this type of THC on lab reports. The technician said he could not tell if the sample was synthetic or natural.
The prosecution argued Lorincz’s residue was not “usable marijuana,” as defined in the previous court case, People versus Carruthers; therefore, Lorincz should be bound over for trial. However, Komorn argued that a hash extraction comes directly from the resin of the plant.
Komorn said this lab policy change is the difference between a felony and no charge at all for Lorincz, stating he should be protected under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act. Komorn asked the judge to dismiss it.
“(The lab technician) admitted that on the stand,” said Komorn. “That is very, very, very disturbing to me, because it means that the politics in the law are affecting the truth. That’s not how it’s supposed to be. We’re supposed to rely on science to make the case.”
For now Lorincz said he is following court’s orders and is back to taking what he calls debilitating prescription pain-killers.
He is fighting to get his son back, and then to use the medicine he says works best, without having to smoke it.
“If nobody stands up for this and it just keeps going the way it is, how many more people are going to get thrown under the bus just for using their prescribed medicine?” asked Lorincz. “It`s just ridiculous.”
Stay with FOX 17 on this case for the outcome. Meanwhile, pending legislation that would re-write the medical marijuana laws have been introduced in Lansing.
I'll agree that the cops in Michigan are being dicks, no doubt.
OTOH, cannabis has not been legalized in Michigan & CO authorities would have been powerless to bust him for anything had he been here.
I really don't understand how authoritarian abuse of MMJ laws in MI is an argument against CO style legalization at all.
OTOH, cannabis has not been legalized in Michigan & CO authorities would have been powerless to bust him for anything had he been here.
I really don't understand how authoritarian abuse of MMJ laws in MI is an argument against CO style legalization at all.
SirStynkalot
Member
110 pages... It's STILL going!!!
This one is real simple!
Abuse before legalization= Abuse after legalization.
I was following the law, and the law was abused!
New law suddenly no abuse? where is the logic?
Law=Law...No????
This whole thread is about abuse of the Cannabis laws and control of it even when it is legal, also are people really happy with there current laws?
Nothing more...Have a good one Y'all!
Oh well
I am old and grey what do I really care???
I may be gone when it becomes legal and by then they will have it shoved in ya deep, just think about old shag about then and smile..LOL
more awesomeness in the world of legalization.
http://mjbizdaily.com/strict-oregon-mj-regs-proposal-advancing/
http://mjbizdaily.com/strict-oregon-mj-regs-proposal-advancing/
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