The war is over at the state level. There are still some petty tyrants willing to invoke federal law in oblique ways, unfortunately. One stiff dick compliance officer in a rural county is best described as a hostile pocket of resistance. Elsewhere, it's like Sgt Schultz, I'm sure- "I smell nothing!"
Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else
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The war is over at the state level. There are still some petty tyrants willing to invoke federal law in oblique ways, unfortunately. One stiff dick compliance officer in a rural county is best described as a hostile pocket of resistance. Elsewhere, it's like Sgt Schultz, I'm sure- "I smell nothing!"
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The war is never over!
Oh and
Constitution that word does not mean SHIT anymore!
No one here in this post believes anything, unless you have 3 witnesses and 2 or more universities, willing to collaborate your story.... ya know!
Could this happen in the future of YOUR STATE?
(been looking for this)
Click below
MSNBC NEWS REPORTS Michigan has no constitution ?
But you have to be the judge !
Ask yourself could this happen here?
When you think your laws are safe cast in concrete, next thing you know here comes the jackhammer.
Please view the video. for the sake of all rights, for all people!
shag
I think the idea that the war is over when there are still ridiculous regulations keeping a lot of people down for no reason other than to maintain control and power is why a lot of people view these legalization efforts as a blessing in disguise.
I think, rightfully, those who are more fiercely opposed to some of these legalization efforts realize that there will be a hell of a lot more complacency on an issue that really demands so much more. The ability to get high is probably closer to the bottom of the list in terms of important things this plant is capable of offering us.
There will be many people who hold your opinion. I think it's a dangerous position to take given the potential this plant offers us - medicine, production of goods and services as well as energy.
It is so useful that it actually poses a threat to the very power structure that exists (and is largely responsible for prohibition and many other immoral acts against humanity) - which is highly monopolized. Much of this power stems from scarcity of resources (see: Oil), monopolized industry (always with government help) and the financial system. A big part of this equation could be removed were cannabis completely legal for all to use as they saw fit and to grow as they saw it.
The plant is capable of providing the energy we need, the materials we need and the medicine (and even food although I find it tastes awful) that keeps us going. All from your own backyard.
I don't think Jhhnn will recognize its diverse and miraculous powers. I tried to mention many, medicine I think is the only route to change public opinion. Convincing someone that cannabis is paper, building materials, food, fuel, and medicine is way too much to comprehend and they automatically assume these are some hippie dippy ideals that would never work in the real world and is simply a cover so you can grow/smoke pot.
I suggested Jhhnn read:
The Emperor Wears No Clothes
It is a very old book, but has a lot of answers, to why weed was made illegal in the first place.
I feel you must understand this, before you can move forward with any legalization.
Stay informed read the book......ALL......Jhhnn too.
The Emperor Wears No Clothes
It is a very old book, but has a lot of answers, to why weed was made illegal in the first place.
I feel you must understand this, before you can move forward with any legalization.
Stay informed read the book......ALL......Jhhnn too.
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You call this legal?
Lea Olivier, 87, is being evicted from federal housing based on a claim she was smoking marijuana. “A compliance officer said they smelled pot coming from my residence,” Olivier says. “I don’t think it was even me. I’ve used it before to ease arthritis pain.”
DOLORES – Smoking cannabis? Not a good idea while living in federally subsidized housing, even if the drug has been prescribed by a doctor.
Some residents are finding out the hard way that there is a glaring discrepancy between Colorado’s liberal marijuana laws and the federal government’s outright ban on the substance.
Lea Olivier, an 87-year-old low-income resident living in Dolores, is the latest casualty. She has lived there for five years but says she has been ordered to vacate her rent-subsidized apartment on Central Avenue for allegedly violating the illegal-substances policy.
“A compliance officer said they smelled pot coming from my residence,” she says. “I don’t think it was even me. I’ve used it before to ease arthritis pain.”
Olivier, who lives alone, is now faced with finding alternative housing but is concerned she cannot afford it on her fixed Social Security income.
“I’ll live in a tent or my car if I have to,” she said. “I’ve got 10 days to move, but when I get knocked down, I get back up.”
Terri Wheeler, executive director of Housing Authority of Montezuma County, said conflicting laws on marijuana have become a problem for federal housing operations.
She could not discuss Olivier’s file because of confidentiality regulations but explained there is a “zero tolerance” policy for use or possession of drugs considered illegal by the federal government.
“It has become a problem, and is confusing because marijuana is legal in the state,” Wheeler said. “Residents sign an agreement that they know it is not allowed on the property.”
For Olivier, the rule is too onerous and not practical.
“I’m tired of their petty demands,” she said. “Now, I have to use pain pills, which I don’t like to do.”
Olivier worked in the restaurant business all her life in California. She said a concerned friend guided her to marijuana as an alternative to alcohol.
“It helped me recover from that destructive lifestyle,” Olivier said.
She has medical marijuana card prescribed to control pain but wonders why. Since Amendment 64 passed in Colorado, adults are allowed to purchase and possess marijuana.
“Why should I grease a doctor’s palm to have a medical card?” she asks, referring to annual renewal fees.
Wheeler said since Amendment 64 passed, six residents were required to vacate federal housing for violating the ban on marijuana use. The authority oversees 393 low-income apartments with federal subsidies.
“It was an issue before as well, but state legalization has not helped,” she said.
There is an appeal process for residents who are found to be violating drug laws. While regulations are strictly enforced, they are administered with a practical approach based on circumstances.
“We’re not cold about it; warnings have been given for marijuana. For meth, there is no going back,” Wheeler said. “We know there are valid medical uses for marijuana, but we have to comply with HUD regulations, or we lose our subsidies for people who need housing assistance.”
More education is needed regarding legal use of marijuana in Colorado. Besides being banned within federal housing, it is also illegal to use or possess at federally owned or regulated facilities, including airports, national forest lands, national parks and national monuments.
“We’re doing a lot of re-explaining. You cannot grow marijuana, possess it or use it in our housing units even though the state legalized it,” Wheeler said. “Habitual users usually move out because of the rules.”
Olivier said property managers instruct residents to leave the boundaries of the apartment complex if they want to consume marijuana. Annual inspections of apartments are a part of living in subsidized housing. If illegal drugs turn up, leases are not renewed or notices to vacate are issued.
“They told us to go beyond a certain gate or leave in our car and go somewhere else, but we cannot keep anything in our car if it is parked on their property,” Olivier said. “It is ridiculous; I don’t want to live here anymore anyway.”
One jurisdiction’s solution is another one’s problem. Smoking marijuana in public spaces, including in parks or on trails, is also not allowed under Colorado marijuana laws.
I won't vote yes on this, will you???
Stand up let your voice be heard!
Lea Olivier, 87, is being evicted from federal housing based on a claim she was smoking marijuana. “A compliance officer said they smelled pot coming from my residence,” Olivier says. “I don’t think it was even me. I’ve used it before to ease arthritis pain.”
DOLORES – Smoking cannabis? Not a good idea while living in federally subsidized housing, even if the drug has been prescribed by a doctor.
Some residents are finding out the hard way that there is a glaring discrepancy between Colorado’s liberal marijuana laws and the federal government’s outright ban on the substance.
Lea Olivier, an 87-year-old low-income resident living in Dolores, is the latest casualty. She has lived there for five years but says she has been ordered to vacate her rent-subsidized apartment on Central Avenue for allegedly violating the illegal-substances policy.
“A compliance officer said they smelled pot coming from my residence,” she says. “I don’t think it was even me. I’ve used it before to ease arthritis pain.”
Olivier, who lives alone, is now faced with finding alternative housing but is concerned she cannot afford it on her fixed Social Security income.
“I’ll live in a tent or my car if I have to,” she said. “I’ve got 10 days to move, but when I get knocked down, I get back up.”
Terri Wheeler, executive director of Housing Authority of Montezuma County, said conflicting laws on marijuana have become a problem for federal housing operations.
She could not discuss Olivier’s file because of confidentiality regulations but explained there is a “zero tolerance” policy for use or possession of drugs considered illegal by the federal government.
“It has become a problem, and is confusing because marijuana is legal in the state,” Wheeler said. “Residents sign an agreement that they know it is not allowed on the property.”
For Olivier, the rule is too onerous and not practical.
“I’m tired of their petty demands,” she said. “Now, I have to use pain pills, which I don’t like to do.”
Olivier worked in the restaurant business all her life in California. She said a concerned friend guided her to marijuana as an alternative to alcohol.
“It helped me recover from that destructive lifestyle,” Olivier said.
She has medical marijuana card prescribed to control pain but wonders why. Since Amendment 64 passed in Colorado, adults are allowed to purchase and possess marijuana.
“Why should I grease a doctor’s palm to have a medical card?” she asks, referring to annual renewal fees.
Wheeler said since Amendment 64 passed, six residents were required to vacate federal housing for violating the ban on marijuana use. The authority oversees 393 low-income apartments with federal subsidies.
“It was an issue before as well, but state legalization has not helped,” she said.
There is an appeal process for residents who are found to be violating drug laws. While regulations are strictly enforced, they are administered with a practical approach based on circumstances.
“We’re not cold about it; warnings have been given for marijuana. For meth, there is no going back,” Wheeler said. “We know there are valid medical uses for marijuana, but we have to comply with HUD regulations, or we lose our subsidies for people who need housing assistance.”
More education is needed regarding legal use of marijuana in Colorado. Besides being banned within federal housing, it is also illegal to use or possess at federally owned or regulated facilities, including airports, national forest lands, national parks and national monuments.
“We’re doing a lot of re-explaining. You cannot grow marijuana, possess it or use it in our housing units even though the state legalized it,” Wheeler said. “Habitual users usually move out because of the rules.”
Olivier said property managers instruct residents to leave the boundaries of the apartment complex if they want to consume marijuana. Annual inspections of apartments are a part of living in subsidized housing. If illegal drugs turn up, leases are not renewed or notices to vacate are issued.
“They told us to go beyond a certain gate or leave in our car and go somewhere else, but we cannot keep anything in our car if it is parked on their property,” Olivier said. “It is ridiculous; I don’t want to live here anymore anyway.”
One jurisdiction’s solution is another one’s problem. Smoking marijuana in public spaces, including in parks or on trails, is also not allowed under Colorado marijuana laws.
I won't vote yes on this, will you???
Stand up let your voice be heard!
ty bentom
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The whole Jhhnn vs bentom thing never really works out for Jhhnn.
Am I the only one who see it this way?
I also feel Jhhnn picks the subjects he thinks he can win and sticks to them, usually avoiding the tough subjects and dismissing them as phantom facts with no evidence to make it believable.
Thats the way I see it.
YOU????
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I honestly believe there is serious potential for the government to pull the trigger on legalization in all 50 states as soon as 2015.
These guys in the Federal Government are looking like total fucking psychotic assholes right now when you have a 5 year old little girl on CNN, with a credible doctor who was offered the position of Surgeon General of the United State, who is successfully treated for epilepsy live on television using cannabis derived medicine for the entire world to see. While this is going on the FDA is telling everyone there is no medicinal value to the plant. Congressional approval ratings have been recorded as low as 6%. Situations like this are a big part of the reason for that low rating. Ever since that special aired on CNN the Federal Government and FDA has been consciously allowing people with epilepsy to die and the general public is watching this happen on mainstream media television right in front of their eyes. How do you think that makes them look?
The Federal Government is begging for approval from the masses right now and weed legalization would likely save a lot of these people their jobs come election time. They'll legalize sooner than you think just for votes.
I already posted this article earlier, but this stock market analyst also believes weed could seriously be legal nationwide in 2015:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shocking-prediction-5-marijuana-fast-140000529.html
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Shag: Good book. This is like telling Jack, that he should go read his own book. Do not give these fuckers a dime after what they have done to us. Even though he kinda changed those views in the end for reasons he was just tired of seeing the oppression and there were not many options left.
Yea, that book is one of the first I read, almost 30 yrs. ago if memory my serves me correctly. Jack knew the truth and got the truth out way back then!
Very difficult by todays standards....yes!
So you say I am prechin' to the choir, if so that is good to hear!
@WaittillIdie I started a new thread you may want to participate in.
would love to hear your side.
Why was cannabis made illegal?
The whole Jhhnn vs bentom thing never really works out for Jhhnn.
Am I the only one who see it this way?
I also feel Jhhnn picks the subjects he thinks he can win and sticks to them, usually avoiding the tough subjects and dismissing them as phantom facts with no evidence to make it believable.
Thats the way I see it.
YOU????
Heh. CO voters do not dictate to the federal govt. You seem to think that we could, in some magical quixotic way. Going on about this woman in Dolores illustrates that point perfectly. Had we not voted in A64, there would be no pressure on the feds to change at all. If she lived in Tulsa, the do-gooders would have ratted her out to the local authorities & she'd be in jail. Duh.
Does she need for CO law to become federal law, or does she need unobtanium?
And, of course, until we can convince the whole country to make it the Libertopian Way, we should reject anything & everything short of that, because... because what, exactly? So more people can go to jail until we can throw a mythical switch & instantly obtain perfection?
Instead of telling us all what's wrong with CO, even though you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to that, Maybe you should tell us what's so great about where you live & how it came to be that way.
Does every adult have the Right to buy, hold & grow cannabis in limited quantities regardless of their medical circumstances? Is that Right protected by the State Constitution, subject to change only by a vote of the People? Are people who show medical need granted dispensation to have & grow more?
How do you think you can get to where you want to go if not through some place like this? Libertopian teleportation beam? Cargo Cult Ritual? Magic pogo stick? Semi-incoherent raving on a cannabis forum?
I believe we get their by demanding what we want!
I thought I lived in a country for the people and by the people.
Is this not where you live.....I simply suggest you act like it .
For the good of all !
shag
I don't have anything against Jhhnn perhaps he is excited about what his state has done and for his own needs it is fine. Other people however have different needs and want's. They should have the ability to follow them regardless of what other people want. It will take a long time though to get to that point if we remain apathetic after we get the states to "legalize it". Its a human right and should be respected as that IMO. I suggest legalization is an unnecessary step ,and for the most part people do not see negative results waiting to play out as a result of it.
Also its Libertarian not Libertopian ,jhhnn. Its a philosophy centered around the non aggression principal in which we find the initiation of force to be immoral and reject interacting with society in such a way on an individual level then promote it at a societal level. The only proper use of force is self defense of yourself or others when they need it.
The closeted tyrants known as statist always will use the state as a means to get what they want to force and coerce their brand of perfection or utopia onto people. Which will result in hatred because the people who don't like what the states or the federal government does in this or that groups favor will resent it.
Libertarians use reason and logic and the golden rule ,to convince people it is the best way for a society to be peaceful and prosperous.
The secret plan we have to transform society is to take over government and then leave everyone alone.
So this hands off philosophy with respect for everyone's private property and freedom is gaining momentum and the result is peace, not perfection it is becoming more and more appealing everyday we get closer to 2016 and the failures of central planning and force and coercion rear their ugly heads for everyone to see.
Rand Paul Will Only Use Executive Orders to Repeal Executive Orders
There are some things I disagree with such as the regulatory oversight of these pipe lines, that should be done by the company and they should be fully liable in court if anything should go wrong. Other than that I see nothing but positive steps toward freedom.
Also its Libertarian not Libertopian ,jhhnn. Its a philosophy centered around the non aggression principal in which we find the initiation of force to be immoral and reject interacting with society in such a way on an individual level then promote it at a societal level. The only proper use of force is self defense of yourself or others when they need it.
The closeted tyrants known as statist always will use the state as a means to get what they want to force and coerce their brand of perfection or utopia onto people. Which will result in hatred because the people who don't like what the states or the federal government does in this or that groups favor will resent it.
Libertarians use reason and logic and the golden rule ,to convince people it is the best way for a society to be peaceful and prosperous.
The secret plan we have to transform society is to take over government and then leave everyone alone.
So this hands off philosophy with respect for everyone's private property and freedom is gaining momentum and the result is peace, not perfection it is becoming more and more appealing everyday we get closer to 2016 and the failures of central planning and force and coercion rear their ugly heads for everyone to see.
Rand Paul Will Only Use Executive Orders to Repeal Executive Orders
There are some things I disagree with such as the regulatory oversight of these pipe lines, that should be done by the company and they should be fully liable in court if anything should go wrong. Other than that I see nothing but positive steps toward freedom.
So dishonest. The woman in Dolores has no conflict with state authorities but rather with petty local tyrants masquerading behind federal law.
It's just a landlord/ tenant dispute. Under your libertopian principles, does a landlord have the right to disallow cannabis use on his property via lease agreement?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
I think you're dodging quite desperately, invoking a sort of false equivalency. Being involved in a traffic accident is fucked up. Obviously, it's more fucked up if you end up paralyzed than if you walk away. Deciding which is better is obviously foolish, right?
And if legalization via citizen initiative isn't legalization by the people for the people, what possibly could be?
I hear you. It's too much for people to consider because it's basically paradigm shattering. Not many folks are even aware how much potential hemp has as an energy producing plant. The amount of biomass it produces in a season is basically unparallelled. It can be grown almost anywhere.
It would not take a huge % of arable land to produce enough energy to feed our needs either.
Perhaps if folks grew hemp instead of grass (which is by the way the #1 consumer of water out of all crops grown - absurd and stupid and often due to regulation and rules from townships) they might not need to visit their local gas station so often as it's really easy to brew up your own.
Hemp saves fuel for farmers too. After harvest all they have to do is let it sit until the next planting season. Then instead of breaking up the land and then going back to plant all they have to do is plant WHILE breaking the ground. The root mass from the previous year breaks down, creates a looser soil so plowing and seeding can be done at the same time. Imagine how much fuel dropping that 1 step prior to seeding would save. Farmer wins!! As long as he can find a market for the end product that pays well.
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