Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[ElusiveQuark]

well, thats what people who want everything right now do not understand.... these legal battles will require fighting... attacking plant counts are certainly on the agenda... especially the constitutionality of a multi occupant situation in regard to household plant counts... which basically remove the constitutional right of any adults exceeding the number of 2... water usage... land rights... colorado... california... it means shit unless we can get the federal classification of cannabis removed from the list of schedule I drugs....

that's the real meat and potatoes

I appreciate your pragmatic view. There is no legal battle re: scheduling of cannabis. That determination lies solely with the DEA and FDA or Congress can add or subtract by law. These agencies have totally ignored the criteria for Sched I under the CSA. That determination is not the meat and potatoes, rather it is the table scraps you feel fortunate to receive.

The meat and potatoes is why cannabis is on any schedule at all. That should be the fight. I proposed a statute earlier. Wouldn't that be preferable to what is currently on the plate? But you would rather see attempts to affect change, e.g. Through discussion on forums, as whining.

The time is right to to take back that which was taken from us. Cannabis is not evil and does not require government involvement. I can live with taxation. All the other crap stems from the presumption that cannabis is inherently bad.

I hear your point that I am not living in reality. Who makes that reality? I am hoping to persuade others to aim higher and demand what is just my god given right. Are you telling me that pursuit is beneath you? Unattainable so forget it? I feel I am pursuing a moral imperative. I hear others pursuing the path of least resistance.

It is demoralizing because you would hope that IC Mag members would be supportive of ending the demonization of cannabis in total.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't live in Colorado, or Cali.

Cali doesn't restrict residential grow operations. So, there would be no reason for me to sue them.

I spoke with real estate attorneys who were experts on cannabis zoning regulations in Colorado. Most of the lawyers I spoke with regarding the details of the legal system in Colorado stopped replying to my emails when they heard the words "class action lawsuit." They were afraid to go on record with any kind of advice after the possibility of a lawsuit getting filed was brought up. Mind you, I wasn't asking them to file one, or represent me. I was merely asking what their opinion was of the regulations that ban residential grow operations and obtaining the legal justification for doing so directly from an expert in the field. Not some random stoner on a internet forum.

Eventually, I brought up the possibility of class action lawsuits being filed against the state of Colorado by residential growers who want to pay taxes and heard the sound of crickets in return. They could see that it was more than a possibility. It's an inevitability and they didn't want their statements on record when it happens. They could see that there was credibility to a lawsuit like that and being the smart lawyers they are they immediately stopped discussing the issue with me. These were mainly realastate lawyers who were experts on the zoning legal issues surrounding the cannabis industry. That's why I was asking them about the details of the regulations. It was pretty funny to see how defensive these Colorado attorneys were of the system there when I tried to criticize it. Their demeanor and rhetoric was much like that of Colorado residents here. Denial and ignorance.

As I said, these were real estate attorneys, who make commissions on sales/legal deals of warehouse space for growing that would probably never be sold if residential grow operations were approved for retail. These people are clearly making money from these regulations. They have new found careers as "Cannabis Real Estate Attorneys." A position that wouldn't exist if residential grow operations were allowed to exist. It starts to become a lot more clear why people in the legal system in Colorado support these regulations after you go talk with them directly about it.

They're banking off them and that's why. It's largely a real estate scam, imo. They're using the legal system to force people to buy commercial property that would remain vacant forever, otherwise.

Heh. So if you don't live in CA, why did you refer to "my house in CA" much earlier in this thread? You've certainly been acting like you live there throughout this discussion.

And if you don't live in CO, then you can't apply for any sort of MJ license in CO, nor do you have legal standing to file a suit of any sort. Had you actually contacted CO attorneys, they'd have told you that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)

 

[Jhhnn]

No you're expecting US to somehow obtain complete control of the legalization process, fix everything the way YOU want it specifically without you raising a finger aside from whining into a keyboard

And there it is, a rather simple truth.

In CO, we didn't have thousands of small kinda-sorta "legal" growers to consider, so our way of creating retail cannabis didn't need to account for that. Those that we had all along operated under the MMJ system. To my knowledge, that remains in place entirely, being constitutionally protected.

*We never had any intention of creating a universal nationwide framework for legalization*. Our solution is unique to CO. It works for us. It's what we thought we could get at the time, and we did.

Budtang needs to acknowledge that, base his comments & criticisms on reality rather than paranoid projections of what might happen wrt CA legalization.

CA doesn't need to alter their MMJ system any more than we did to create retail in their state, nor have any of us claimed that they should. We have no say in what they might do.

If small scale CA providers want to be included in any CA legalization scheme, then they need to become part of the effort to create & pass initiatives friendly to their work, not rave & whine on an internet forum about how people 1000 miles away are supposedly fucking them. Devise a plan that CA voters in general will see as advantageous to them, not just to Budtang & a few 1000 other people in a state w/ 38M inhabitants. The voters really don't care about you at all, Budtang, nor do you give them any reason to care. Give them (not me) reasons to see what you're doing as being good for CA & you have a chance. Otherwise, you'll get fucked- you and your little dog too, Dorothy.

Those of us in CO are supposed to do what about that, exactly? Sympathize after all the condescending arrogance & ignorant nay-saying you've displayed? Or just enjoy a touch of schadenfreude listening to you squeal?

 

[ElusiveQuark]

Jhhnn - do you really not have any concern for the people in other states? I don't want to believe that. I want to make clear I don't cash crop but support the right to do that if one so chooses. Let me tell you one reason why I care and think you should too. I have an 18 year old son who smokes pot. He starts at UCSD next year. He has a bright future and is a terrific kid. I could not be more proud of him. If he were to get arrested in CA, NV, WY, ID, MO, HI or any other state for a cannabis related offense, there would be bloodshed. Our current laws, across the country are not the legacy we should leave for our kids. As soon as he leaves my wife and I are moving to Colorado. That is not coincidence, but does not change anything.

 

[ElusiveQuark]

I live in AZ by the way.

 

[Jhhnn]

well, thats what people who want everything right now do not understand.... these legal battles will require fighting... attacking plant counts are certainly on the agenda... especially the constitutionality of a multi occupant situation in regard to household plant counts... which basically remove the constitutional right of any adults exceeding the number of 2... water usage... land rights... colorado... california... it means shit unless we can get the federal classification of cannabis removed from the list of schedule I drugs....

that's the real meat and potatoes

Given the plain language of Amendment 64 wrt personal growing plant counts, I seriously doubt that local zoning ordinances as in Denver will stand if challenged in court. The City has to bust somebody willing to fight in order for that to happen. It's not a criminal matter in any event, certainly not up front.

Other situations, like caregiver MMJ growing in Golden, revolve around the home rule aspects of CO state law. Golden had the right to make such restrictions all along, only choosing to do so recently. All municipalities have the same right wrt retail, as well.

I agree that cannabis very much needs to be removed from the schedule of drugs entirely. Our success enables that in ways that nothing else possibly can. Public sentiment is shifting very rapidly because of it. Legal cannabis works. We prove that & we have the numbers to back it up. We're tipping this load of prohibitionist horseshit over center into the dustbin of history.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn - do you really not have any concern for the people in other states? I don't want to believe that. I want to make clear I don't cash crop but support the right to do that if one so chooses. Let me tell you one reason why I care and think you should too. I have an 18 year old son who smokes pot. He starts at UCSD next year. He has a bright future and is a terrific kid. I could not be more proud of him. If he were to get arrested in CA, NV, WY, ID, MO, HI or any other state for a cannabis related offense, there would be bloodshed. Our current laws, across the country are not the legacy we should leave for our kids. As soon as he leaves my wife and I are moving to Colorado. That is not coincidence, but does not change anything.

You misunderstand me completely. In CO, we have a unique opportunity to completely reboot the political dynamic, nationwide & out into the world beyond. We have an enormous responsibility to do this well. Those of us who think about it much at all realize that the outcome affects millions upon millions of people. That is our role, the creation of a new reality, to show just one way of doing it.

Like you, I have sons. People all over America have sons & daughters as well. If compromise with big business & compromise wrt what I might personally want serves their interests & functionally prevents them tangling with the law over pot, I'm for it. In CO, we provide mechanisms whereby all of them can stay completely legal once they reach the age of 21 while using cannabis at the same time. I would have preferred that 21 be 18, but that probably would have been asking too much of the voters. Possession of less than 1 oz by persons under the age of 21 is similar to a traffic violation. We also allow for persons 18 or older to obtain med cards when they can convince a doctor to recommend it.

We protect our sons & daughters better than anybody else, something I want to spread entirely. I think we can do even better in the future. It would suit me just fine if people in other states choose to do it even better. I'd want to catch up to them.

The way that MMJ has unfolded differently in different states holds the whole thing down to the state level from a functional POV. That's been our model all along, and it's the same for legalization, regardless of the federal classification of cannabis. The battles for both MMJ & legal MJ must be fought at the state level. While CO can lead, we certainly can't herd the rest of the country into coming with us.

I think we'll see some unanticipated initiatives towards declassification & legalization after the election. OTOH, putting forth that speculation in this particular environment merely invites irrational raving from ideologues. If you want me to say more, PM me.

 

[monsoon]

The right to grow and possess what you have grown in your home is an >individual< right offered to people in CO (by the State Constitution) who are 21 years of age or older. The City of Denver has no right to pass such restrictions (12 per house) but anyone who has been here and paying attention knows that a lot of what has happened via Medical MJ along the way has been contrary to the law and has had to be challenged >after the fact<. The list of liberties taken on both sides is a long one, for sure. (can you say "dispensary?")

But to think we have no sympathy for others/other states is absurd. Far too many folks here are also in jail for weed...and while many think "Coloradoans have never known the harsh realities of drug busts and jail time for growing weed like WE DO here in ___________."

Think again. I have 4 arrests for possession and cultivation...2 of which are from CO.
But it isn't the end of the world. It's more of a major hassle and a huge expense. There are far worse things to live through. Guaranteed.

And even as a "legal" state...you can still get popped here for growing/possession/public display/DUID/etc. Smart folks here treat it all as if it is STILL illegal. Nobody wants to see you getting high or growing in yer yard...plain and simple.

Like it or not "legality" will always have limits and parameters. Only those who haven't been paying any attention whatsoever (or who still live with mom and get everything they ask for handed to them on a silver platter) think otherwise.

good luck on the move Quark.

 

[budtang]

Heh. So if you don't live in CA, why did you refer to "my house in CA" much earlier in this thread? You've certainly been acting like you live there throughout this discussion.

If I did say that, it was hypothetical, but you may have me confused with someone else.

And if you don't live in CO, then you can't apply for any sort of MJ license in CO, nor do you have legal standing to file a suit of any sort. Had you actually contacted CO attorneys, they'd have told you that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_%28law%29

Seriously? I'm well aware of that Jhhnn.

Lawsuits would take place after relocating to CO, paying taxes, and getting rejected on licensing applications on the basis that I would operate out of my residence. I'm looking into the issue ahead of time.

As of right now I'll probably be moving to California next year. Colorado just seems like a big joke. Why would I want to go to a second rate weed scene with low quality weed, cuts, etc? It seems like a waste of time. California is where you go if you're a serious grower.

 

[budtang]

And even as a "legal" state...you can still get popped here for growing/possession/public display/DUID/etc.

Well, then it's not really "legal" then, is it? That's kind of the point of this thread. Thank you for FINALLY acknowledging it.

There is a big difference between growing in your backyard and growing in a sealed room. The smell can be contained indoors and the neighbors would never know what's going on. The limitations need to at least make sense in order for their to be policy. A person smoking a gram of weed with the window open can disturb a neighbor more than a couple of bedrooms full of plants where the smell is controlled with carbon filters. That's why your limitations need to be repealed. They make no sense.

Just to prove my point, I recently read an article discussing the issues neighbors have with people in Colorado even smoking weed on their own property. It's getting pretty ridiculous out there:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pot-legal-homeowner-agreements-ban-24707228

"It's not clear how many homeowners' associations have confronted marijuana conflicts in the 23 states with some form of legal marijuana. But lawyers who specialize in HOA disputes, as well as a Colorado regulatory agency that advises HOAs, say there are growing conflicts among neighbors who want to smoke pot and others who don't want to see it or smell it."

Forget about not being able to grow it, you can't even smoke it anymore in Colorado. This is getting comedic. Somebody needs to explain to Colorado that the growers with indoor operations controlled with carbon filters aren't causing any problems. Except, for the fact that the weed they're selling out of their homes isn't being taxed and funneled back into the educational system. The rules justifying their exclusion from the tax process in Colorado make no sense as I've just demonstrated here in this post.

 

[Jhhnn]

If I did say that, it was hypothetical, but you may have me confused with someone else.

Post #354 of this thread.

Seriously? I'm well aware of that Jhhnn.

Lawsuits would take place after relocating to CO, paying taxes, and getting rejected on licensing applications on the basis that I would operate out of my residence. I'm looking into the issue ahead of time.

As of right now I'll probably be moving to California next year. Colorado just seems like a big joke. Why would I want to go to a second rate weed scene with low quality weed, cuts, etc? It seems like a waste of time. California is where you go if you're a serious grower.

Well, the first thing you'll need to do is to become a CO resident for at least 2 years before your application can be accepted. Prohibitions against retail home growing aren't an issue of state law, iirc, but rather of local ordinance & practicality. The smallest retail growing license allows something like 3200 plants & is priced accordingly. It's structured as a capitalist enterprise rather than as a mom & pop endeavor. Just the way it is, whether you like it or not. You mention legal troubles, something that may leave you shut out anyway. I'm not really sure of that.

Lawsuits aren't cheap, either. Expect to spend upwards of $250K before the first hearing. It's highly unlikely that any firm would take your case on a contingency basis even if more than a few would take your money to help you pound sand into a rathole.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Well, then it's not really "legal" then, is it? That's kind of the point of this thread. Thank you for FINALLY acknowledging it.

There is a big difference between growing in your backyard and growing in a sealed room. The smell can be contained indoors and the neighbors would never know what's going on. The limitations need to at least make sense in order for their to be policy. A person smoking a gram of weed with the window open can disturb a neighbor more than a couple of bedrooms full of plants where the smell is controlled with carbon filters. That's why your limitations need to be repealed. They make no sense.

Just to prove my point, I recently read an article discussing the issues neighbors have with people in Colorado even smoking weed on their own property. It's getting pretty ridiculous out there:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pot-legal-homeowner-agreements-ban-24707228

"It's not clear how many homeowners' associations have confronted marijuana conflicts in the 23 states with some form of legal marijuana. But lawyers who specialize in HOA disputes, as well as a Colorado regulatory agency that advises HOAs, say there are growing conflicts among neighbors who want to smoke pot and others who don't want to see it or smell it."

Forget about not being able to grow it, you can't even smoke it anymore in Colorado. This is getting comedic. Somebody needs to explain to Colorado that the growers with indoor operations controlled with carbon filters aren't causing any problems. Except, for the fact that the weed they're selling out of their homes isn't being taxed and funneled back into the educational system. The rules justifying their exclusion from the tax process in Colorado make no sense as I've just demonstrated here in this post.

now youre talking about HOA rules which have nothing whatsoever to do with state law... residential zoning laws will not allow you to have a commercial business in a residence. This is not even cannabis specific... I'm beginning to doubt your even serious... this seems like trolling at this point... you repetitively point to things that have nothing to do with LAWS in place... You don't seem to understand what compromise is... you dont understand the local laws, you certainly dont seem to grasp the logistics involved... tell ya what.. since CO is doing so bad, please, by all means, move to california... enjoy them freedoms..
enjoy the high cost of living and overcrowding... enjoy the many low paying jobs and falling property values, the pollution.. it is clear that you do not understand the things of which you speak...

allow me to help you...



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California is tied with New York for the highest gasoline tax rate in the country.

California is the only state in America that taxes carbon emissions.

The state of California issues some of the most expensive traffic tickets in the nation. This is another form of taxation.

As of October 2012, only Nevada and Rhode Island had higher unemployment rates than California.

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The state of California requires licenses for 177 different occupations (the most in the nation). The national average is only 92.

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Average pay for California state workers has risen by more than 100 percent since 2005. That is good news for those state employees, but it is bad news for the taxpayers that have to pay their salaries.

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One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard. (yeah.. cigarettes... dont ask about weed)

The traffic around the big cities is horrific.

The rampant gang activity in the state gets even worse with each passing year.

Crime continues to rise all over the state.

Just recently, the city attorney of San Bernardino, California told citizens to "lock their doors and load their guns" because there is not enough money to pay for adequate police protection any longer.

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Now... please again tell me why california is better...

 

[monsoon]

budtang obviously doesn't realize that the >>>serious growers<<< are the guys who were growing...and who are STILL growing long before any of this...med included...was even a thought...just as he could do where he is at if he wasn't so busy telling everyone else how badly it all sucks elsewhere.

So bud...what is stopping you from letting it fly where you are if you are so adamantly tough and staunch against authority of any kind telling you what you can/can't do? (Hint: Start with the veggie garden big guy!)

Why is it you need to go to Cali to show what a "serious grower" you are?

Were you growing commercially (in a home) in the 90's, by chance? Kinda think not if you think TODAY'S laws are restrictive and somehow unfair. Some folks here will understand what I'm saying, I'm sure. It's been YEARS since I read of someone getting their door kicked in and going to prison for a couple hundred plants like happened every other month or so here (CO) in the 90's.

Someone needs to tell you that home grows still exist here....as does a thriving underground market. Nobody stopped growing in their basement because the warehouses filled with plants in Denver or "retail" came on the scene. In fact, with prices in the shops at $400 a z and up and a 20-30% tax added on top of that and the allowance of A64 for legal home growing.... there are more home grows and associated activities here now than ever before...

 

[budtang]

Well, the first thing you'll need to do is to become a CO resident for at least 2 years before your application can be accepted. Prohibitions against retail home growing aren't an issue of state law, iirc, but rather of local ordinance & practicality. The smallest retail growing license allows something like 3200 plants & is priced accordingly. It's structured as a capitalist enterprise rather than as a mom & pop endeavor. Just the way it is, whether you like it or not. You mention legal troubles, something that may leave you shut out anyway. I'm not really sure of that.

I understand those are the current regulations, but we're talking about different guidelines being created for residential operations. The "2 year residency" guideline ends in October for licensing from what I was told on another forum. That's why the quality should go up after October on the retail side from what I've heard. More competition.

You mention legal troubles, something that may leave you shut out anyway. I'm not really sure of that.

I know one person with a red card who lived there for only 5 months before receiving that. They have a criminal record, as well. So, it doesn't appear that a criminal record will prevent you from approval. Unless, it's different on the retail side.

Not to mention, the state of Colorado is literally guilty of committing the same felony I was charged with years ago. That could be an entirely different legal issue if I was rejected on those grounds. I would sue Colorado for that in itself. The state of Colorado is guilty of running an illegal narcotics operation vastly larger than the one I was charged with. lulz

Lawsuits aren't cheap, either. Expect to spend upwards of $250K before the first hearing. It's highly unlikely that any firm would take your case on a contingency basis even if more than a few would take your money to help you pound sand into a rathole.

That depends on the deal with the lawyer you hire. If they're working strictly for a percentage of any legal winnings it's not expensive at all.

 

[budtang]

Someone needs to tell you that home grows still exist here..

Well, some of these home growers would like to pay taxes and help out with schools and not be hassled by the IRS.

 

[budtang]

now youre talking about HOA rules which have nothing whatsoever to do with state law... residential zoning laws will not allow you to have a commercial business in a residence. This is not even cannabis specific... I'm beginning to doubt your even serious... this seems like trolling at this point

Can a baker operate a customized baking operation out of their home, without a store front? I know of such licensed businesses in my state. There are plenty of people who operate online businesses that sell products out of their homes over the internet.

I'm talking about growing the weed in your residence and selling it to dispensaries owned by different people. That's how it's done in California. You're not selling the weed out your home.

 

[LSWM]

4 days and 5 pages later, and Jhhhn hasn't made any effort to negate factal claims I've made which he dismissed with childish attitude, as if MY FACTS have no merit.

No wonder we aren't getting anywhere with legalization. People blindly stick to their guns even when factual information and calm discourse is presented to them.

This thread is full of it on both sides. Name calling and bullying. Such a shame.

 

[monsoon]

Well, some of these home growers would like to pay taxes and help out with schools and not be hassled by the IRS.

That would be sweet. How would you suggest it all be controlled? By an "honor system"...including reporting how much you grew/what it cost to grow and how much you sold it for...? Or would even that be too intrusive in your world?

And what about chemicals and pesticides/etc.? Again...take the growers word that there's nothing bad on the product...or are any regulations too many regulations for you? Folks should "just believe"? On good faith? cus there are so many HONEST people out there?

Why don't the liquor stores operate like that? Billy Bob brews some beer in the basement next to the lawn mower repair shop he has set up down there as well...then he makes some Gin in the bathtub...and he should be allowed to sell it for open consumption...no rules...no nobody getting in the way? I mean...why can't we all just fire up a still and have at it? Everyone out there is honest as the day is long. We need no controls. right? Fuckers. The government is out to get us...one and all. Right?

"Nobody hurts you, harder than yourself" Graham Parker

 

[monsoon]

In Cali you can operate a home based food business....for sure.....but not without licenses and inspections and insurance....as well as a bevy of rules that MUST be followed. It's definitely more than a "bake it and sell it" without ANY regulation kind of affair as you suggest cannabis >should< be over and over and over again. Sorry....but if they regulate baked goods for consumption..and the regulate alcohol for consumption...they are gonna regulate weed for consumption, home grown or not.

 

[Seaf0ur]

The "2 year residency" guideline ends in October for licensing from what I was told on another forum.

I know one person with a red card who lived there for only 5 months before receiving that. They have a criminal record, as well. So, it doesn't appear that a criminal record will prevent you from approval. Unless, it's different on the retail side.

So you have limited knowledge, none of it firsthand... and yeah.. the rules are a lot different for retail than just getting a red card. Don't believe everything you read on the interwebz

Well, some of these home growers would like to pay taxes and help out with schools and not be hassled by the IRS.

Much like warren buffet, if you'd like to pay more, just write uncle sam a check... they will take your money I promise.

I'm talking about growing the weed in your residence and selling it to dispensaries owned by different people. That's how it's done in California. You're not selling the weed out your home.

No, you are operating a for profit commercial grow IE: growing specifically with the intent of commercial sales

In Cali you can operate a home based food business....for sure.....but not without licenses and inspections and insurance....as well as a bevy of rules that MUST be followed. It's definitely more than a "bake it and sell it" without ANY regulation kind of affair as you suggest cannabis >should< be over and over and over again. Sorry....but if they regulate baked goods for consumption..and the regulate alcohol for consumption...they are gonna regulate weed for consumption, home grown or not.

^^this.