Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[shaggyballs]

And tedious.

It's pouting over the pony they didn't get & probably financial self interest wrapped in faux righteousness.

More personal attacks......Why?
False accusations is that all you have?
Mudslinging to make a point?
Can the issues be debated without calling one another names?
Why do you feel you have to state what other believe?
You do not know...Do you?
Simply state what you believe.
let other state what they believe.

Or I can tell you what your views are and you can describe mine.
If you think that is the logical choice?

 

[LSWM]

MANY substances cross the blood brain barrier in a limited fashion such as THCA, and I know of none of them considered to be a "drug" by the general public.

All that extra tryptophan in your turkey is an excellent example.

 

[z-ro]

I was one of the signature collectors in the fist 2 attempts to get MMJ on the ballot here and I also collected sigs for SAFER to get the legalization effort rolling. None of us knew at the time WHAT the laws would say when crafted, we only knew we wanted less to no penalties for growing and possession. The retail side came to be because SAFER realized that there just aren't enough folks out there who would vote FOR legalization alone...and the inclusion of TAX DOLLARS...earmarked for schools... were what sent it over the top. Without those taxes, it NEVER would have flown at all.

This was my main point that Johnny doesn't seem to understand, funny how he agrees when you say it but not me. And when those tax dollars aren't rolling in anymore, there will be a backlash.

I'm trying to figure out how you can claim we'll be paying high prices during a product glut, something you claim will def happen.
I was remarking that you currently pay those prices as that is what I saw for shatter products when I was there 3 weeks ago, at least from the stores that actually had a product that could pass, only 2 stores of 10 I went to had and extracts at all the rest said theirs didn't pass.

Paclo? You made me giggle with your reflexive negativity & all the pom-pom waving for your team. Go ahead, tell me that CA basement growers don't use paclo or that you can tell from what's on the shelf.
Yep, paclobutrazol. Was listed on the packaging for the 90 dollar gram of shatter as an ingredient that was used on the plants used to make said shatter... Yes some people in Cali use it, I have not nor would I ever...and yes the difference is easily discernible for a knowledgeable grower, probly not to someone who has to 'try and score' in a state that has abundance of cannabis.

CO plans on mandatory testing of retail products for contaminants rather shortly & I doubt they'll overlook paclo. Dunno that they'll allow the stuff, but if they do it'll be on the label. There's a rather long list of prohibited chemicals here, R504 F-

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellit...goBlobs&blobwhere=1251928365541&ssbinary=true

Finding any of that stuff on the premises or in the product is pretty much hammer time, I suspect.

Where's your list, & how the Hell would anybody know, anyway?
See, there's you're problem right there, you actually don't know anything you're talking about, mostly guessing by the sounds of it...

Who knows, maybe these guys in Pueblo will convince me that CO is sustainable and that it makes sense to come work their 20k sqft greenhouse, doubt it tho, I can make more money here doing less work and not have to give in the ridiculous attitude you CO people have. Good luck!

 

[ElusiveQuark]

Does anyone here believe the state constitution supersedes the US criminal code?

 

[shaggyballs]

tell me that CA basement growers don't use paclo or that you can tell from what's on the shelf.

Warning to those who care!
People all over continue to use this product...I even heard it advocated on a CO. radio show, (not bashing)
The gentleman admitted to using Paclo. on stuff slated for the open market.
He claimed he could use it without detection under current testing parameters.

I have also seen signs of it being used all over this town at dispensaries.
I went to my first one, got some free stuff,it was so bad and when I brought up Paclo it got tossed in the ash tray never to return!
As I stated I would recommend a sign in the dispensary window stating all products are tested for A,B,C if people only knew you would get all the Biz.


You can see the difference in the final product also.
If you look at it close it will be a brownish color....if you gave a strain to someone that was rather green and his grow come out kinda brown and he has a really good yield chances are it was Paclo.
Also if his taste has greatly diminished that is another sign that Paclo has been used.
These things I have seen.

You need a good comparison to be sure.
Just cause it tastes bad that does not mean it has been used.

Stay informed.
shag

 

[shaggyballs]

Does anyone here believe the state constitution supersedes the US criminal code?

This question will go unanswered....I believe.

 

[monsoon]

Good question. Time will tell. All I can go on is what is happening now, and that is that a Schedule 1 drug is being produced and sold and taxed at a high rate, some of which is going to the Feds who are doing nothing to stop it

So you tell us what the future holds. We are just watching it all unfold and growing our own without reproach and will continue to do so no matter who is in office or what the laws say...just as we did before med and before "legalization". Game on. Nothing has changed/will change unless you spend all of your time on your knees (or bent over, your choice) worrying about "them".

 

[miscbrah3284]

Why did you post this in every single state forum?

Everyone, please vote YES on any legalization amendment you can. As it stands right now, people are going to jail for simple possession. Let's go ahead and fix that real quick... THEN we can worry about whatever it is that people are worrying about OTHER than innocent people going to jail for dried flowers.

this....people trying to get you to vote no are fucking morons

 

[shaggyballs]

Good question. Time will tell. All I can go on is what is happening now, and that is that a Schedule 1 drug is being produced and sold and taxed at a high rate, some of which is going to the Feds who are doing nothing to stop it

So you tell us what the future holds.
I do not know what the future hold but, I have given many past examples similar to this to compare things to.
We are just watching it all unfold and growing our own without reproach and will continue to do so no matter who is in office or what the laws say...just as we did before med and before "legalization". Game on. Nothing has changed/will change unless you spend all of your time on your knees (or bent over, your choice) worrying about "them".

I do my best not to worry.
I also do my best to stay informed.
I simply state the government will pull the rug out from under anything that stands in the way of collecting money.
The IRS has incredible power...it may even surprise you how much they have.

 

[shaggyballs]

this....people trying to get you to vote no are fucking morons

Did you read this post?
People who have voted yes are the same people complaining and rallying against the government cause they messed it all up!
Only morons give up their rights in hope of getting them back!
On payday send me your cashed check ....you can have confidence I will pay ya back ....right buddy! tax dollars on cannabis
I would never break my word to ya!
I am from the government I am here to help you!
Oh ya we go on vacation this week...have to get back to ya when I can.
Some of us will stick around for what is called a lame duck session.
Something about losing tax dollars on cannabis.

 

[Granger2]

So how is decriminalization better than legalization, Shaggy? Doesn't it all depend on how the law is written? Isn't it possible to write a good legalization law? -granger

 

[Jhhnn]

You keep avoiding my all questions, when they are directed at you and claim that I am raving....Why?( to justify you not answering them)

I tell you about real legal issues real people are facing right now and you seen to be completely unsympathetic.
I tell you they took away my right to have a vegetable garden you turn your head the other way and seem to say (can't happen to me).

And then have the nerve to refer to my larger than life legal issues as nothing but ravings.
I am I wrong to assume that you are unsympathetic to the legal issues others face as long as CO. is currently in a situation that you approve of?

Have you ever seen a law overturned against the will of the people?
If so could that same thing happen in CO.?

You say no......but is seems to happen everywhere else I just wonder what make CO. immune to such action?

What if the new Prez. puts the federal Kibosh on CO's plans?

I have gone to great length to answer your "questions", linking both the text of Amendment 64 & the Colorado Constitution in toto, particularly article XIX which describes the processes whereby Amendment 64 could be rescinded. In that, I've repeated myself several times. Here's the short version-

*Amendment 64 cannot be overturned against the will of the people, because the people would have to vote in favor of overturning it.*

It's not a law- it's the Colorado State Constitution. The legislature cannot change it. Mere fact.

Click... buzz... Over! Is there anybody receiving this transmission? Do you speak English? Please acknowledge!

There is no political will to do that in CO, nor likely will there ever be.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/colorado/release-detail?ReleaseID=2035

The federal boogeyman? I've provided reasoning for my views about that several times as well. You just repeat the question as if I haven't, circle back around to re-assertion of false premises.

Your vegetable garden? Puh-leeze. That's obviously due to some local ordinance, not state law, if it's more than an imaginary problem at all. Link up some relevant information & we can pretend that it's germane to the discussion of cannabis legalization, OK?

 

[shaggyballs]

So how is decriminalization better than legalization, Shaggy? Doesn't it all depend on how the law is written?
Absolutely
Isn't it possible to write a good legalization law? -granger

Absolutely

I had stated in the past I would be all for legalization if done correctly!

My problem is that people in currently legal states are are unhappy with their current situation.

Also:
Some think because things are a certain way now they are unchangeable.
When we all know things could change at any moment!

I personal believe the big picture will take us the way of greed and we will not be able to grow our own, due to the fact money can not best be made that way.

Tell ya what!!!
I will say yes to legalization if everyone has to buy from me.
When i control it you will pay what I demand, and except the brown dirt weed I offer cause I am the only game in town.
If you are caught growing your own sch. 1 narcotic!!! You will do a min of 10 in the pen.
Line up the sheep I am ready for my first Million.
...

Not true!
What I really want is to grow vegetables in my yard again.
I want other things,But I should be able to grow food legally ....no?
shag

 

[monsoon]

LOL. If the veggie garden in your own yard is in jeopardy you have A LOT of work to do elsewhere and a long way to go to make any logical/believable comparisons to CO.

 

[shaggyballs]

I have gone to great length to answer your "questions", linking both the text of Amendment 64 & the Colorado Constitution in toto, particularly article XIX which describes the processes whereby Amendment 64 could be rescinded. In that, I've repeated myself several times. Here's the short version-

*Amendment 64 cannot be overturned against the will of the people, because the people would have to vote in favor of overturning it.*

It's not a law- it's the Colorado State Constitution. The legislature cannot change it. Mere fact.

Click... buzz... Over! Is there anybody receiving this transmission? Do you speak English? Please acknowledge!

There is no political will to do that in CO, nor likely will there ever be.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/colorado/release-detail?ReleaseID=2035

The federal boogeyman? I've provided reasoning for my views about that several times as well. You just repeat the question as if I haven't, circle back around to re-assertion of false premises.

Your vegetable garden? Puh-leeze. That's obviously due to some local ordinance, not state law, if it's more than an imaginary problem at all. Link up some relevant information & we can pretend that it's germane to the discussion of cannabis legalization, OK?

Your sarcasm is getting old especially when you are full of it!
And I hope you are intelligent enough to understand the relevance here!
If they out law a vegetable garden they might just outlaw you cannabis garden that is costing them BIG $$$$
I hope that was easy to understand...of course you will spin it or not comprehend the relevance...Oh well

Any way:
I use this cool new tool called goggle, try it out I left you a link!

I will humor you... as you seem to have forgotten how to research things for yourself.
I know You heard me state over and over that we need to research things our selves in order to stay informed.
A man of you vast knowledge knows just how important finding the facts for yourself is.
Oh no that is right you are the nay sayer who refuses to find the facts for himself and stay self-absorbed in, as you would say Coloradatopia!!

I completely understand where your coming from now!
You do not do the research you need to to stay informed.
You have not even read the whole thread, as this information has been provided to you and has been ignored....Hmm???

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegetable-...l-charges-oak-park-michigan/story?id=14047214

http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/personal-gardening-and-farming-are-becoming-illegal/

http://www.infowars.com/right-to-fa...ns-michigan-can-now-ban-animals-in-backyards/

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/05/02/michigan-bans-animals-on-small-farms/

http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/illegal-vegetable-gardens/3769

http://offgridsurvival.com/michigan-farmers-illegal/

I know you will spin it as a public nuisance, and you probably would call the cops on your neighbors for their vegetable garden....or do you like I do, think this is very very wrong??

 

[armedoldhippy]

alex jones...meh. front yard gardening-illegal LOTS of places. why are they not growing their veggies in the BACK yard. most folks back yard has more room. farm animals in residential areas? some areas around here allow a few chickens, NO roosters, & NO larger animals. and I am in what you big-city slickers would sneer at as a hick rural state. some folks see their glass as half full, others see it as half empty. then, there are those "special" folks that say "hey, I ordered a fucking cheeseburger..." who will never be happy.

 

[shaggyballs]

LOL. If the veggie garden in your own yard is in jeopardy you have A LOT of work to do elsewhere and a long way to go to make any logical/believable comparisons to CO.

I am not trying to compare anything to CO.

That is my reality....People just ignore it and say poor sucker....glad it is not like that here!!!!! YET!!
I agree Co. may be great....why are other legal states so screwed up??
They jumped into legalization head first too fast.
Why did they not copy CO.
Maybe a money thing....did ya notice,NO HOME GROWING!!
Hmm

So do you think ....hey! lets legalize now...while things are so F##ked up..... ya that makes more since than getting it right???
Some may take the first deal offered....while I suggest you wait for what you want.

You guys are all hung up on defending CO.
You need to see what is happening outside CO.
I have not found fault with CO.
I simply state keep your eyes open!!
As the new laws written will influence the future of CO.
Unless you truly believe CO. can stand as the only state in the union to still allow home growing.
When every other state has long outlawed home growing!
Remember when the south did not want to let go of slavery?(Freedom for all)
The Government just let the states that wanted to stay slavery states do so...RIGHT???.....so they will allow CO. to be the only state where home growing will be allowed cause you can't change it without the vote of the people ...LOL

Do you really believe this to be true??? LOL

 

[Jhhnn]

Your sarcasm is getting old especially when you are full of it!
And I hope you are intelligent enough to understand the relevance here!
If they out law a vegetable garden they might just outlaw you cannabis garden that is costing them BIG $$$$
I hope that was easy to understand...of course you will spin it or not comprehend the relevance...Oh well

Any way:
I use this cool new tool called goggle, try it out I left you a link!

I will humor you... as you seem to have forgotten how to research things for yourself.
I know You heard me state over and over that we need to research things our selves in order to stay informed.
A man of you vast knowledge knows just how important finding the facts for yourself is.
Oh no that is right you are the nay sayer who refuses to find the facts for himself and stay self-absorbed in, as you would say Coloradatopia!!

I completely understand where your coming from now!
You do not do the research you need to to stay informed.
You have not even read the whole thread, as this information has been provided to you and has been ignored....Hmm???

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegetable-...l-charges-oak-park-michigan/story?id=14047214

http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/personal-gardening-and-farming-are-becoming-illegal/

http://www.infowars.com/right-to-fa...ns-michigan-can-now-ban-animals-in-backyards/

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/05/02/michigan-bans-animals-on-small-farms/

http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/illegal-vegetable-gardens/3769

http://offgridsurvival.com/michigan-farmers-illegal/

I know you will spin it as a public nuisance, and you probably would call the cops on your neighbors for their vegetable garden....or do you like I do, think this is very very wrong??

The scurrilous personal attack at the end of that is completely unfounded. I really don't care what the neighbors grow in their yards, even if it's just weeds. Several nearby back yards are just that, in violation of City code. It's been that way for the 20 years we've lived here & I've never dropped a dime on them. Several neighbors in our very urban neighborhood have grown veggies in the front yard off & on the whole time. We've also moved to allow Denver residents to keep fowl, goats & bees in recent years. This is about my neighborhood-

http://www.confluence-denver.com/features/denverurbanhomesteading_050113.aspx

The rest is typical libertopian raving about isolated instances as if there were some general conspiracy afoot to take away their freedom, which is bullshit.

It also has jack & shit to do with marijuana legalization.

Again, what part of this is inaccurate? what of it do you take issue with?

* Amendment 64 cannot be overturned against the will of the people because the people would have to vote in favor of overturning it*

 

[shaggyballs]

alex jones...meh. front yard gardening-illegal LOTS of places. why are they not growing their veggies in the BACK yard. most folks back yard has more room. farm animals in residential areas? some areas around here allow a few chickens, NO roosters, & NO larger animals. and I am in what you big-city slickers would sneer at as a hick rural state. some folks see their glass as half full, others see it as half empty. then, there are those "special" folks that say "hey, I ordered a fucking cheeseburger..." who will never be happy.

And ABC NEWS

If you researched it properly you would find you are missing a lot of important information!
But you just glanced at it (look at the post time)and think you know whats up!
Crazy...Am I the only one who wants to find the truth??

So you believe outrageous laws are ok just as long as they do not effect you!
HMM

Don't know about you but when I order a cheeseburger and they give me fish ,I make sure I get what I wanted and paid my money for.

That is what is wrong with America today!!
You order a cheeseburger and they give you fish!
And the average joe will accept the fish and say thank you very much!

You are right I do not stand for such stupidity in life.
I demand my rights ..not accept what they give.
I am simply suggesting you do the same!

 

[shaggyballs]

The scurrilous personal attack at the end of that is completely unfounded.You were the first to start the personal attacks and I asked you to please stop to no avail!!and you have the balls to say this ...LOL I really don't care what the neighbors grow in their yards, even if it's just weeds. Several nearby back yards are just that, in violation of City code. It's been that way for the 20 years we've lived here & I've never dropped a dime on them. Several neighbors in our very urban neighborhood have grown veggies in the front yard off & on the whole time. We've also moved to allow Denver residents to keep fowl, goats & bees in recent years. This is about my neighborhood-

http://www.confluence-denver.com/features/denverurbanhomesteading_050113.aspx

The rest is typical libertopian raving about isolated instances as if there were some general conspiracy afoot to take away their freedom, which is bullshit.

It also has jack & shit to do with marijuana legalization.

Again, what part of this is inaccurate? what of it do you take issue with?

So lets get this straight... in a nutshell you would condone a person going to jail for a vegetable garden?