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Vintage Colombian
- Thread starter red rider
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A few days ago, while trying early samples from my Jarilla de Sinaloa (i.e. the Mexican strain Cola de Borrego) I also thought whether these Mexican strains are not selected to produce their best resin when at least partially seeded.
Most strains that I've tried benefit from being sinsemilla. In my country we have lots of wild hemp and it's hard to prevent outdoor weed from pollination (greenhouses are good). So we've grown and smoked lots of seeded bud... and usually the buds that have less seeds in them, are better. When flowers get pollinated, the smell and effect of their resin quickly changes. As if it matures very quickly and gives the dull (in my opinion) effect of very late harvest.
Now back to the Jarilla, I flowered this same plant earlier this year to produce some seeds and after harvesting the outdoor "buds" with seeds, I smoked some seed covers and small leaves with resin. I expected the effect to be dull, but it was surprisingly good - very sharp and sensorial. It was actually better than the early samples from the "proper" flowering without seeds, that I now try. Which got me thinking this: if Mexican strains are grown in fields and inevitably get pollinated, haven't they been selected to be good in this pollinated state?
The same could apply to Colombian strains?
Of course, this is just a specualtion, and it might be the sun intensity that makes the difference - I flowered for seeds under the strong June/July sun, and now the sinsemilla is growning under the weaker September/October sun...
Most strains that I've tried benefit from being sinsemilla. In my country we have lots of wild hemp and it's hard to prevent outdoor weed from pollination (greenhouses are good). So we've grown and smoked lots of seeded bud... and usually the buds that have less seeds in them, are better. When flowers get pollinated, the smell and effect of their resin quickly changes. As if it matures very quickly and gives the dull (in my opinion) effect of very late harvest.
Now back to the Jarilla, I flowered this same plant earlier this year to produce some seeds and after harvesting the outdoor "buds" with seeds, I smoked some seed covers and small leaves with resin. I expected the effect to be dull, but it was surprisingly good - very sharp and sensorial. It was actually better than the early samples from the "proper" flowering without seeds, that I now try. Which got me thinking this: if Mexican strains are grown in fields and inevitably get pollinated, haven't they been selected to be good in this pollinated state?
The same could apply to Colombian strains?
Of course, this is just a specualtion, and it might be the sun intensity that makes the difference - I flowered for seeds under the strong June/July sun, and now the sinsemilla is growning under the weaker September/October sun...
I have to agree with everything you said. Before 1985 I thought sinsemilla was a fad. And I don't think pollination effects the quality of the resin, in fact given the extended flowering time of sinsemilla in the tropics I see very little value in growing it except for personal.
Red rider
Not much to report here, I'm still in Bogota but we do have another licence and a January appointment for our cultivation (THC) and production licensing. In the mean time I keep hearing all the big guys are being licensed for export and my company so small and behind. A little depressing but I'm not distracted. While I've been waiting here in Bogota I've been enjoying a 26 week (from seed) ACE Malawi plant. It has to be some of the strongest cannabis flower I can remember. I had two plants and I like one much better than the other. The #6 plant is the shit, super strong long lasting hit, very Sativa electric effect, really nice. The number 4 plant is equally potent with dense flowers and crazy resin production, however the hit is too intense for me and I don't care for the raciness. Both plants are really good and they love the climate here at 8,400ft. The clones flower in half the time as the seed plants.
I'm hoping next month will be a little more exciting but I'm not wasting time, just germinated some old Santa Marta Gold that I've had since 05.
red rider
I'm hoping next month will be a little more exciting but I'm not wasting time, just germinated some old Santa Marta Gold that I've had since 05.
red rider
Colombian 1
Colombian 1
This is part of a project I've been working on the past year and is ongoing. It's a mangobiche x Bangi Haze (ACE) that I call MBH 4 and I pollinated her with Santa Marta B pollen I collected earlier this year. Started a seed in May and finished the end of October, no supplemental lighting. Been jar curing since November and ready to try.
Like always really difficult to describe the complexity of this plant but it's super tasty and unique.
The smell to me is like warm butterscotch coca cola, almost incense but sweeter. The taste like the smell is rich and familiar "Colombian" that expands in the lungs.
The hit comes on rather quick sometimes making me sweat a little. But unless it's the first hit of the day it could be stronger, nice clear euphoria that sticks a good while. I like it but it's just a plant I'm using to make seeds with. See how it does 300 meters lower at the finca, should be licensed this month.
red rider
Colombian 1
This is part of a project I've been working on the past year and is ongoing. It's a mangobiche x Bangi Haze (ACE) that I call MBH 4 and I pollinated her with Santa Marta B pollen I collected earlier this year. Started a seed in May and finished the end of October, no supplemental lighting. Been jar curing since November and ready to try.
Like always really difficult to describe the complexity of this plant but it's super tasty and unique.
The smell to me is like warm butterscotch coca cola, almost incense but sweeter. The taste like the smell is rich and familiar "Colombian" that expands in the lungs.
The hit comes on rather quick sometimes making me sweat a little. But unless it's the first hit of the day it could be stronger, nice clear euphoria that sticks a good while. I like it but it's just a plant I'm using to make seeds with. See how it does 300 meters lower at the finca, should be licensed this month.
red rider
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Zipacon 3
Zipacon 3
We are on the final phase of licensing at our finca in Zipacon with the ICA inspection this coming Sunday. I'm sure all will go well and I expect to to planting as soon as next month. This week I've got a few tests for the doctors to make sure my bladder cancer is still gone. Pain in the ass but I have to make sure it's gone. I've really been enjoying the Malawi and made some crude bubble hash with the trim from it.
The dried hash has a nice smell and taste like the flowers but the hit is on another level. The hash to me is not so much stronger than the flowers but deeper and more complex. And it goes so quick.
Going to the finca this week some time and should have some pictures of the progress before the inspection.
red rider
Zipacon 3
We are on the final phase of licensing at our finca in Zipacon with the ICA inspection this coming Sunday. I'm sure all will go well and I expect to to planting as soon as next month. This week I've got a few tests for the doctors to make sure my bladder cancer is still gone. Pain in the ass but I have to make sure it's gone. I've really been enjoying the Malawi and made some crude bubble hash with the trim from it.
The dried hash has a nice smell and taste like the flowers but the hit is on another level. The hash to me is not so much stronger than the flowers but deeper and more complex. And it goes so quick.
Going to the finca this week some time and should have some pictures of the progress before the inspection.
red rider
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Colombian hash, I did not have that back in the seventies. I think a little made it's way around the states according to High Times? Always love the old time sativa flowers in your pics.
I am gonna pop some Colombian Gold '72 seeds from Snowhigh. I think they might be like the USC CG '72, but Snow said these are different and got them from a guy that had been saving them from 1972.
I am gonna pop some Colombian Gold '72 seeds from Snowhigh. I think they might be like the USC CG '72, but Snow said these are different and got them from a guy that had been saving them from 1972.
Nexus7
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satva said:
Likely to be the same I imagine. Ask Snow if he got it via Crippled Creek or the Vibes Collectives.
Peace,
N7
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I started growing and buying cannabis here in 79 local and imported cannabis strains like Thai /African Black/Colombian /Panama red even saw lids of Acapulco Gold. Most was seedless if you were lucky you found a few seed in the bag but not often Even the locally grown cannabis was seedless.
If the plants were seeded you would end up with low yield so a oz bag would be very unappealing to consumers if you were a commercial grower.
Plants that are pollinated will mature way faster and direct the energy to seed production not flower and soon as the seed a ripe n start to fall the flowers will start to yellow n die.
Panama sinsemilla
Panama sinsemilla
I'm not sure where you're from but I never saw seedless cannabis domestic or import before maybe 78 and I was living in DFW and west palm beach FLA. Even high end Mexican back then was fairly seeded, the "mersh" Mexican ($10 a lid) was like 60% seed. Thai stick and Hawaiian were seedless but I only saw them a few times. Never saw Panama, Jamaican or Colombian sinsemilla, all had at least a few seeds.
You say pollinated plants mature faster and seeds add weight, I think that's a good description of commercial.
But I'm not speculating opinions, we have an HPLC and I pollinated an entire branch and finished the plant. Took two samples from the same plant (with and without seed) for quantification. The seeded branch finished at the same time as the rest of the plant (Mangobiche). No difference in the hit, seeded or not.
Domestic Colombian Punto Rojo 05 fully seeded
red rider
Panama sinsemilla
I'm not sure where you're from but I never saw seedless cannabis domestic or import before maybe 78 and I was living in DFW and west palm beach FLA. Even high end Mexican back then was fairly seeded, the "mersh" Mexican ($10 a lid) was like 60% seed. Thai stick and Hawaiian were seedless but I only saw them a few times. Never saw Panama, Jamaican or Colombian sinsemilla, all had at least a few seeds.
You say pollinated plants mature faster and seeds add weight, I think that's a good description of commercial.
But I'm not speculating opinions, we have an HPLC and I pollinated an entire branch and finished the plant. Took two samples from the same plant (with and without seed) for quantification. The seeded branch finished at the same time as the rest of the plant (Mangobiche). No difference in the hit, seeded or not.
Domestic Colombian Punto Rojo 05 fully seeded
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Interesting. Every year I pollinate limbs and every year the seeded buds are much less tasty then the unseeded buds. Doesn't have the same smell and noticeably fewer and less mature resin glands. Especially if it's fully seeded. If it's partially or barely seeded there isn't really a difference. I'd always assumed this was true for all cannabis but a lot of stuff we assume is proven wrong.
Sinsemilla began in India with strains bred for flowers, not hashish. Hashish growers traditionally haven't cared if their crop is seeded and I'd suspect a lot of times for them the benefits outweigh the negatives. I don't want to hijack your thread, probably a better idea to start a new one for this, but it'd be fun to go over the reasons for and against culling males.
I'll never forget the quarter pound of seedy Mexican I got many years ago. Most of the weight was in seed, huge ugly grey ones and thousands of small yellow immature ones. When I was breaking open the brick and trying to remove the seeds I found a huge male flower. I assume it was although it was rusty colored and much bigger then any other flower I've seen. The color was faded rust. I've puffed on good seeded Mexi but that hermaphrodite Mexican is some of my all-time worst. Never buy ganja from a guy named 'Raif' your buddy met at the Greyhound station..
OldCoolSativa
Well-known member
The Oaxacan tops I bought in Texas in the early 1980s had a LOT of seeds, but the seediest weed I ever saw was a bag of Colombian Gold I bought in 1978. It was probably 75% seed by weight. Tiny seeds, mostly white and immature. The Oaxacan also had a lot of immature seeds, but they were bigger.
CannaRed
Cannabinerd
RR,
What did you test for?
Cannabinoids and terpenes?
I was just wondering because, I pollinated a Skunk Special last year, that always smelled fruityish. After seeds started growing, she switched her aroma to catpiss. She never had the catpiss smell before.
I started a thread where I asked if this is normal, for pollinated plants to change terpene expressio. Sam answered that obviously it does.
In this particular cultivar that you tested, did you see different amounts of terpenes?
You say you tested pollinated branches and unpollinated branches from the same pollinated plant.
Did you happen to test a separate plant of the same cultivar also?
Or did you test the plant before pollination to see if terpene ratios change after pollination?
As always, very interesting, Red Rider!
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Hi Red i come from Australia like i said before i got heavily into smoking in 79 the odd thing with many here few cared about strain info all most wanted to know was is it GOOD / OK/ or is it SHIT smoke. I wanted to know the strain name was it locally grown or imported friends made fun of me over it. We had lots of hash also and the Thai or Buddha was very popular. If you had seeded cannabis you be lucky to sell it you need to off load when things were very dry here.
If you pollinate a plant like say the bottom branches that has all ready developed flowers you will still get seed and smoke able material. but the lower pollinated branches will stop and focus on seed production and as seed ripen flower will start to yellow n brown die.The rest of the plant that was not pollinated will continue to focus on flower and resin production.
If you harvest the plant at the time the pollinated branch seed is ready then that wont happen.But pollinate a branch when the plant is in early flower it will.
Laboratory
Laboratory
Unfortunately have not got samples to the lab yet, as it's under construction. The company bought an HPLC and a mass spectrometer last year but still in box's waiting on the actual laboratory to be built. Everything's like slow motion here and odd with the licensing and basic operating procedures but seems to be coming together now. I just met the new chemist last week, the other one and I didn't work as he was (is) an asshole. But anyway the new chemist is a young woman from the national university and I like her. She's qualified on the HPLC and MS as well as other useful laboratory skills, so she's just waiting to get her lab operational. Of course I demand priority for testing so I hope to have results of some kind ASAP.
I want to test both cannabinoids and terpenes to compare a few sample plants I have. Last year I grew maybe 25 varieties and almost every plant got a branch pollinated then the plant finished for smoke. I really couldn't tell any difference in any of the plants, sinsemilla or seeded branch. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I only flower outside here (8,350ft on the equator) in Colombia that makes a difference. Fun to investigate further.
Mangobiche X Bangi Haze#4
This coming Sunday is our appointment/inspection with ICA and the final ok to start growing our "registered" seeds. With approval I should be able to really start working. We're all crazy here at the moment.
red rider
Laboratory
Unfortunately have not got samples to the lab yet, as it's under construction. The company bought an HPLC and a mass spectrometer last year but still in box's waiting on the actual laboratory to be built. Everything's like slow motion here and odd with the licensing and basic operating procedures but seems to be coming together now. I just met the new chemist last week, the other one and I didn't work as he was (is) an asshole. But anyway the new chemist is a young woman from the national university and I like her. She's qualified on the HPLC and MS as well as other useful laboratory skills, so she's just waiting to get her lab operational. Of course I demand priority for testing so I hope to have results of some kind ASAP.
I want to test both cannabinoids and terpenes to compare a few sample plants I have. Last year I grew maybe 25 varieties and almost every plant got a branch pollinated then the plant finished for smoke. I really couldn't tell any difference in any of the plants, sinsemilla or seeded branch. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I only flower outside here (8,350ft on the equator) in Colombia that makes a difference. Fun to investigate further.
Mangobiche X Bangi Haze#4
This coming Sunday is our appointment/inspection with ICA and the final ok to start growing our "registered" seeds. With approval I should be able to really start working. We're all crazy here at the moment.
red rider
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He responded today. He said he got the seeds from a guy that is not connected or a breeder, and the seeds were real old. Definitely not from Vibes or Crippled Creek. I will take him at his word.
I know he has gotten stuff from Vibes before.
funkyhorse
Well-known member
It seems all of you are right
This post made a lot of sense to me and I asked and talked about it with Tangwena in his thread because he was having the same effect in his Mulanje grow
Definitively the best ganja I had, be it in Middle East, Asia or South America was lightly seeded.
And since I polinize my plants if I want to keep genetics, I am unintentionally testing this in my indoor grow on small scale with 5 plants
For my CBG Mangobiche x Destroyer plant, it worked! Lightly seeded or unseeded is same quality bud
But for my Purple Double Jam 1 bud it didnt work. There is a huge difference between purple bract buds and non purple. The earlier seeded buds are not same quality at all, they are more narcotic
I still have 3 more plants to check results but it seems to me reading what all of you are saying that this trait it is related to genetics and not so much to altitude or indoor/outdoor grown.
I find it very interesting to have the chance to get same quality in less time, I am used to seeded buds, all my life I dealt with seeded buds, thats what you get in Landraceland. It would be cool to make up a list of sativa strains that have this trait
Thank you very much everybody for the knowledge shared. I sprouted my first seed 2 years ago and had absolutely no clue about botanics, I learnt the little I know mostly reading all of you here at Icmag. I even didnt know how to germ a seed
I cant believe I am getting these results today, it is very encouraging. I cant believe you can really learn to do something from scratch just from reading an internet forum. I never imagined I would like growing so much, it is a life changing hobby!
I am really glad I like growing so much because otherwise I could never be enjoying these strains
Have a nice weekend everybody
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