Vintage Colombian

[red rider]

The time is now

The time is now

Thanks I love taking photos. Hey Charlie, you’re the man and I’m not so much trying to help you as much as I’m trying to help those whom want the real deal Colombian genetics. There may very well be many other vendors that have authentic Colombian genetics, in fact I’m sure there are but I know yours are real. Beautiful plant as always.

Mucho gusto huligun yes it is different here especially compared to Seattle for sure (I lived in Seattle about 40 years ago) but Colombia is nothing like it was even ten years ago when I first came here. For all intensive purposes Colombia in general is much more secure, however there is a war going on here not to mention the narco traffic. Bogota on the other hand is just as safe as any international city now; I mean you are just as likely to get mugged or murdered in must US cities. The barrio Edwardo Santos is not really a “poor” neighborhood, it’s more like where the people that work for the rich people live and you’re less likely to get robbed there than in the rich barrios in the northern part of the city (Chico). But really unless someone’s looking for you here don’t hesitate to return to your homeland. If nothing else come down here and visit us, maybe you can talk some sense into this porcupine I’m married to. I’ve never been to Pakistan ( on the list of places I will never go) but I can honestly say that Colombia now (for me) is as safe as the USA.

Night time only, premium Cali (Colombia) Crippa

I am also without a doubt that there are many Colombians here growing the pure Colombian strains as they always have. What’s been hybridized is the huge commercial grows run by the guerrillas and gangs. As a result almost all that is domestically available is the hybridized “crippa” and don’t get me wrong Crippa can be spectacular and most times is. I would bet that 90% of even gourmet smokes would prefer the Crippa over my Punto Rojo or Corinto simply because of the potency. It seems to me the older I get the more I appreciate a moderately potent strain, not to be confused with low potency. However I do smoke a lot of crippa because it is good and always available.

Colombian golden Corinto good any time

What to grow on the finca? I want to grow the classic Colombians I’ve collected, however first I want to produce “medical” cannabis (flowers and concentrates) for non-export domestic consumption. Just like many of us here I want to sell the finest “medical” cannabis to the newly opening dispensaries here. Actually I don’t need a finca to do that and at first I plan on growing (legally with a permit) on Ray’s Uncles rooftop here in Bogota. I went and saw it yesterday, big open space that is only accessed by their maid. I don’t like the idea too much because I wouldn’t be “living” with the plants, I trust Ray to a certain extent but the Uncle I don’t know. I’m going to try anyway because I’ve got to get started ASAP.

I keep thinking, what if I’d invested in Apple back in 84 when I had the chance.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Five days cannabis free and I forgot my question. I want to purchase a very well know (seedbank) strain that I can grow on the roof top here in Bogota. I want the strongest "medical" WLD that can with stand the extreme altitude, low temperatures (never freezing). I don't care how long it takes to flower but it can't be super light sensitive since it's outside. I've got many "crippa" seeds but I need a name brand to impress the dispensaries here. And really need two strains, one high THC the other some of that new fancy high CBD strains. All suggestions will be taken seriously. Thanks in advance.

red rider

 

[GanjaBredMan]

Thank you for the photos de barrio Red. That brings a tear to my eye. My family was not poor and we lived closer to what you would call a middle class life. I still have great feelings and passion for my old country.

Times are changing in Colombia, but there will always be strife. At least in our lifetimes. I would love to take Jorge to the old country when he is a older so that he can see his root. As for now his mother forbids even talking about it. She feel even Pakistan is safer than Colombia. And personally I had seen many problems in her country first hand. I was held up by gunman in Sao Paulo while trying to buy smoke.

It is a paradox that such genetic possibilities exist in Colombia but because of the cocaine it is very hard to get the seeds out of the country.

I went to Panama a couple years ago and met a beautiful Colombiana on the Pearl Islands. She introduced me to people that grow old school Colombian weed. Getting seeds from Panama to another country is easier. Panama is really changing too, so what I say today may be different tomorrow.

Unfortunately, poverty is the biggest crime motivator. I could never visit my salvadorian roots, 650 plus murders in the month of May. I would love to visit my neighboring Colombia, as I am also Ecuadorian. I hope things change for the better, so much medicine not tested. Here in the states, it's also getting worse. Crime rate is high but atleast there's always tomorrow. Peace

 

[Donn]

And really need two strains, one high THC the other some of that new fancy high CBD strains.

Not that I'd really know, but my impression is that the Dancehall family is hot right now, might meet your requirements, and the Spanish heritage might be appealing there. The stuff I bought (did not grow myself) tests 16% CBD, less than 1% THC, but that can vary. It was nice.

 

[red rider]

Hey thanks Donn, I'm trying to get things going down here but it's so slow. I can't even get a straight answer about exactly when and what the Colombian MMJ laws are. The laws to the best of my knowledge have already passed and there's some Colombian Indians already crossing some kind of Afghan with Colombian strains legally for MMJ. I hope I can a least produce something better than their cross.

red rider

 

[Donn]

Don't ask me - just surfing for English language coverage, I can't tell if it has even been voted on yet. Latest I see is Dec 16, and says "by March 2015", which has come and gone. In that article, looks like the legislation was in trouble. Anyway, once that's law, they probably still won't know, in sufficient detail for your purposes. If it's like here, they'll hand it over to some bureaucracy to draw up a detailed regulatory framework, and then you'll know what hoops you have to jump through. That process will probably be helped along by interested parties with money and connections, and when it's done, those without money and connections might be out in the cold. That isn't a sure thing, but it wouldn't be the first time something like that happened, so to whatever extent feasible this might be the time to get actively involved.

 

[Jon 54]

DAM INDIANS!!!!!

DAM INDIANS!!!!!

They are from a Country that still produces some of the greatest Sativas left in the Western Hemisphere. Why do they want to introduce more Dutch Genetics into the gene pool. By this I mean why of all things should they add more Indica's into a already touchy strain situation that exists right now in Colombia. Do they need money that bad or is the FARC gang behind this?? What about the coke cartels?? What are they up to?? Maybe they are going back into the Marijuana business because it's always been some sort of criminal enterprise when it comes to any type of drug in Columbia. Just remember that the Escobars and that bunch made there money first in the Mota trade way before they ever got into the white powders.

Jon 54

 

[purple_man]

high fambz!

dang red, forgett the hybridization process if you are for real (too much work, money and time involved plus area etc...), also you can do the hybridizing later on dig me?

rather try to source as many different beans from all areas no matter if legit landrace or crippy mix as well as many beans as possible, BECAUSE, once the legal climate shifts, you ll have all the time and space needed to explore the potential of the "collected varieties"...

blessss
ps.: good luck bro! keep em stories comming, sounds like a nice place to be

 

[Jon 54]

GREAT ARTICLE in #7

GREAT ARTICLE in #7

That is a beautiful article in this months Magazine!!! Well written along with great photos. I too have lived in Columbia and I read your story with mixed feelings. Some of me still wishes I was still there but at the time I was living there the scene had taken a turn to the very ugly.Kidnappings, shootings, Army murder squads killing more innocent companseros than the real crooks,and the worst group was our own DEA who killed who they wanted even American expats!!! Escobar was a choirboy compared to the shit they pulled off, Bush,Clinton,Bush Jr.and even Obama have there hands dirty and covered with innocent blood when it comes to what they did and still do in Columbia. Besides that it still is a beautiful country with some great Sativas found nowhere else,I wish you all the best down there.

Jon 54

 

[huligun]

I will say this one time my friend, and that is don't go in business with a partner in Colombia with Colombians. I would not want a partner at all but in another country you will get screwed. Best luck.

 

[red rider]

I will say this one time my friend, and that is don't go in business with a partner in Colombia with Colombians. I would not want a partner at all but in another country you will get screwed. Best luck.

Thanks huligun and I heed your advice. Ray is a great guy lots of fun to go out and party with. But I have to honest I don't trust him or his family. When I went to his Uncles rooftop I got a really bad vibe as they kept questioning me how much money each plant was worth and how much it's worth in the USA. I made it clear that these plants would be only for medical sales to the state and there is little profit in them. I'm not going to grow anything with Ray or have him involved in my business.

About Colombians: I will not generalize every Colombian because like everywhere else there are good and bad people. No offense to you huligun but overall Colombians are not trust worthy and are very hostile and dangerous. However as slick as they think they are it's easy to see through the deception and avoid problems by not getting involved with them. If it sounds to good to be true it is, you can not be stupid just because your in their country. Common sense brings on a whole new meaning here. As a result I will not partner with a Colombian, I will do this myself.

Also I will not hybridize the pure or what I believe to be pure Colombian strains I have collected. In fact I'm not even going to try to improve them, only reproduce to preserve them in their native soil. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to grow some funky white widow (general term) to provide "medicine" domestically. But the Colombians I have will only know each other in the purest form. More to come and thank you so much everyone for you valued input and advise.

red rider

 

[huligun]

I am not offended Red. Remember I am the one that told you not to go into partnership with Colombians. You know this. The culture is a scamming culture and they scam each other. There is no shame in scamming a gringo whatsoever.

Myself, I am not driven by money. I have been around people that were and most of them are dead now. A lot of ambitious Paisas I have known have died young.

 

[red rider]

Really upset now. Just found out there's a grow shop right up the road from me here in Bogota, in fact very close to one of my students. I'm going to go there and talk to them directly but they sell imported seeds. The same seeds as are available here. That's cool but why the hell can't I mail a few grams of seed if you can "sell" imported seed here? I will most certainly find out ASAP but this new information really changes my plans. Their site appers to be down but here's a link to their facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/ColombianSeedsStoreOficial?fref=nf

red rider

 

[Donn]

No se tu pero yo si siento un abismo de diferencia entre esta flor y la de la plazita, Principalmente por los cuidados y el amor de un jardinero cannabico.

The automatic translation made less sense than mine, and I don't speak Spanish really. The gist of it is an unfavorable comparison between the pictured bud and something grown at "la plazita" - where's that?

 

[Donn]

Also mentioned: http://www.colombiacultiva.org, where I see some discussion of strains that someone down there is apparently developing from a variety of origins, including Amazon basin, Africa, Afghanistan.

 

[red rider]

Hey Donn I don't know where that is ("la plazita") but you can bet I'll find out. They sell canabiogen seeds though so they must be in the know of things. I'm going to the shop here in Bogota tomorrow. But I don't know if they can export the seeds and I don't see where their selling "landrace" seeds. I have to start growing and reproducing my seeds asap. They also carry the dancehall strain you were telling me about. I will report back.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Now I've got to learn Spanish quick so I can read their forms and find out how to get involved.

 

[Sforza]

About Colombians: I will not generalize every Colombian because like everywhere else there are good and bad people. No offense to you huligun but overall Colombians are not trust worthy and are very hostile and dangerous. However as slick as they think they are it's easy to see through the deception and avoid problems by not getting involved with them. If it sounds to good to be true it is, you can not be stupid just because your in their country. Common sense brings on a whole new meaning here. As a result I will not partner with a Colombian, I will do this myself.

red rider

Jeez, you about took my head off when I mentioned that my neighbors in Taganga climbed over a six foot tall brick wall topped with broken glass bottles set in concrete to steal my outdoor hammock when I was sick. While they do have a lot of thieves and untrustworthy people I trusted my contacts in Colombia with my life and my money many times and they never let me down.

 

[Sforza]

Now I've got to learn Spanish quick so I can read their forms and find out how to get involved.

I took a couple years of Latin in High School and I found that it helped me to be able to read the language. I also took a year and a half of Spanish in college. None of that helped much to speak Spanish. Just talking to people is how I picked that up.

I found that reading comic books in Spanish is a good way to learn simple basic Spanish. The stories are simple and the pictures help you to figure out what is going on so you can deduce what the words mean.

 

[Chunkypigs]

……. I want to grow the classic Colombians I’ve collected, however first I want to produce “medical” cannabis (flowers and concentrates) for non-export domestic consumption. Just like many of us here I want to sell the finest “medical” cannabis to the newly opening dispensaries here…..

I keep thinking, what if I’d invested in Apple back in 84 when I had the chance.

red rider

Yo Red, if you want to impress your local dispensaries come to the states for a week and get the good clone only staples of the west coast dispensary scene.

Dispensaries here are not selling product grown from seed.
Medical patients need reproducible results that are not possible growing from seed.
get your clones on the west coast if possible.

Your competition is going to be selling seed selections, get the clones in USA and you will be waaaaaay ahead of the game.

The best shit get everywhere eventually but you could start with it from the beginning with the stuff that everybody is reading about on the internet.
You want to grow OG Kush, Jack Herer, Sour Diesel, Girl Scout Cookies, Gorilla Glue #4, Pineapple Express, Trainwreck, ChemDog.
The real medicinal strength cannabis.

You got plenty of friends who are medical patients in states where all this is available.

I had a job where I used to travel in and out of your country and I always had personal amounts of cali dispensary weed in one of these TB holders.
they will also allow rooted cuts to "fly the friendly skys" with your other toiletries.
just vac seal it with no vac first so it is leak and smell proof.
I put plenty of electric and metals things in my travel toiletry kit bag like electric shaver and trimmer and a set of keys and lots of loose change.
give the person working the scanner to look at that they recognize and will get their attention.
small camera, iPod, GPS, etc.
the time it takes for their brain to see that shit and rule it out and your tiny bit of
contraband has slipped through undetected while they were focused on your dildo with anal probe...

Or you can express mail it home from the states.
Humans have discovered what the best medical MMJ is at this point and it's all over the west coast.

Columbians are like the rest of us and once they taste it they will want OG and Cookies!!!

OGKB 2.0

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Good luck with your new venture!