Vintage Colombian

[red rider]

Update: 21 May 2015

Update: 21 May 2015

Well no new developments with the esposa but I can’t wait any longer and went ahead and planted some purple Corinto just for seeds. They’re going to be grown in the window sill so I’m not expecting smoke, just seed. The situation is very unstable so I have no idea if I can finish them before I move or something happens with the wife. I haven’t heard any more about the divorce but it’s coming. I thought the same thing a year and a half ago when we moved here and I have more seed if I started then. So I’m going to start making seed from Purple Corinto, not trying to breed, just preserve. Here’s where the seed came from.

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[Brookky]

Good luck Red

 

[red rider]

Luck

Luck

Good luck Red

Thanks Brookky at this point luck is a factor, however I'm no where near giving up. New samples weekly.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Colombian export 2016

Colombian export 2016

The recent debate about whether or not to legalize medical marijuana in Colombia brings to mind a story told about the Vatican.+

The Pope summons the College of Cardinals and announces that the Second Coming, and hence the Apocalypse, are imminent. A great commotion arises among the Cardinals and, when His Holiness asks what is happening, 53 of them respond that they are departing immediately for Bogotá.+

Sed cur illuc? (But why thither?), asks the Summus Pontifex in perplexity.+

A cardinal responds: Quod omnia ibi, sanctissime Domine, L annos post adveniunt. (Most Holy Father, because everything arrives there 50 years late).+

Bizarrely, Senator Juan Manuel Galán‘s current proposal to permit the use of marijuana in Colombia only for medical purposes has caused a brouhaha among politicians and media talking heads. I ask myself if any of these people are aware that medical marijuana is legal in California since 1996.+

In Colorado, marijuana for recreational use has been completely legal since January of this year. According to the New York Times, this has led to a 77 percent decrease in marijuana-related arrests in the first month alone, and a drop in the number of assaults and robberies carried out in Denver. The measure has also brought job creation, an increase in investment in the state, and an additional US$23.6 million in tax revenue from January to May alone.+

Colombia has failed to place itself at the forefront of the global movement to end the catastrophic policies of prohibition.

Uruguay, meanwhile, has become the first country to regulate the legal production, sale, and consumption of marijuana products.+

Colombia, on the other hand, despite being the country that has possibly suffered the drug war’s most devastating consequences in human and economic terms, has failed to place itself at the forefront of the global movement to end the catastrophic policies of prohibition.+

Without a doubt, allowing the medical use of marihuana would help thousands of Colombian patients cope with their pain, but the infinitely more urgent debate for the citizens of this country is that concerning absolute legalization.+

There is the case for individual liberty: why should the state determine what an adult can or cannot do with his own body, as long as he does not harm others?+

There is the case for ending the criminal drug trade: in Colombia, the marijuana business is controlled by the FARC guerrilla and other criminal groups. Why not wrest the control and the profits from these hoodlums by creating a legal, regulated industry? In the United States, legitimate and serious enterprises entered the alcohol market after Prohibition, not the heirs to Al Capone and other violent gangsters whose profession was crime, which is the reason why they prospered under a black market.+

Finally, there is the matter of economic opportunity: if marijuana production were legal in Colombia, it would be feasible to reach an agreement with Uruguay in order to sell our legitimate cannabis products to Uruguayan consumers. That would create a plethora of opportunities to generate export-based entrepreneurship and real, productive employment — as opposed to the thousands of state sector jobs which result from the government’s inefficient redistribution of wealth creators’ resources.+

The objection that legally exporting marijuana is impossible, since it would infringe the terms of the United Nations’ Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961, is irrelevant. If said agreement had any validity, Uruguay would have been unable to legalize. In fact, Colombia should lead a global diplomatic effort to drastically change the actual treaty, which is in essence obsolete after more than six decades of defeat in the war against drug traffickers.+

The potential for a legal, regulated marijuana industry is not limited to the relatively small Uruguayan market. In 2012, voters in Washington state decided to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in small doses. This year, similar referenda will be held in Alaska and Oregon, and there is a considerable list of states that may legalize marijuana in the next few years.+

We should legalize completely, boost local business and tourism, and prepare to export to the world’s largest consumer market.

Although US federal law prohibits marijuana imports from Colombia or any other country, there is an “irreversible trend toward the end of federal prohibition” according to the Cato Institute’s Juan Carlos Hidalgo. He refers to the recent New York Times editorial in favor of federal legalization, and a Gallup poll which reveals that 58 percent of Americans support ending prohibition.+

So it’s time for Colombian politicians to leave behind the timid dithering about medical marijuana. We should legalize completely, boost local business and tourism, and prepare to export to the world’s largest consumer market.

http://panampost.com/daniel-raisbec...-marijuana-in-colombia-full-legalization-now/

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[Donn]

I wouldn't make Uruguay much of a factor. I don't have up to date news, but last I heard sounded ill conceived, unpopular and not a sure thing to ever be implemented. Brazil may get there before Uruguay, but they won't buy your stuff either - like here in Washington State, it will be a closed system, for regulatory and economic reasons, is my guess. Open world market is something future generations will experience.

 

[red rider]

I wouldn't make Uruguay much of a factor. I don't have up to date news, but last I heard sounded ill conceived, unpopular and not a sure thing to ever be implemented. Brazil may get there before Uruguay, but they won't buy your stuff either - like here in Washington State, it will be a closed system, for regulatory and economic reasons, is my guess. Open world market is something future generations will experience.

Well I would like to say that article was written almost a year ago and I’m not saying I agree with all of it. But I believe you are incorrect in your prediction for the future there Donn, I believe before 2020 there will be a legal cannabis market internationally. I foresee in the very near future global legalization for cannabis where different strains and types of cannabis are traded freely around the world. This will happen well within my life time I have no doubt. And trust me even in your neck of the woods there is/was/always will be a demand for rare high altitude equatorial sativa flowers. To me it's common sense where things are heading but then again look where I live.

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[red rider]

2003

2003

Here is a picture from 2003 when I first met George (not his real name). We were having an 8:30AM shot (bottle) of aguardiente after a three day party in Bogota. Both George and I have changed a lot over the past 12 years and so has the cannabis in Colombia. I remember at the time of that photo George had just gotten me some very fine Punto Rojo. At the time I thought you would always be able to find the Rojo in Colombia. I haven’t seen or heard of Punto Rojo in Colombia for the last 7 or 8 years, the gold, blacks and red’s still around but no Punto Rojo. Those were some good days in 03 when I first hooked up with George.

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[red rider]

I read and read as many threads here on IC and it is truly a great learning experience. My overall consensus about breeding cannabis from what I’ve read is most breed for four things. Potency, yield, flowering time and bag appeal/taste are the most sought after traits. I fully understand why and that’s because of prohibition forcing growers to squeeze the most out of a plant in the shortest amount of time. And I must say this has turned into to an art with cannabis plants being faster growing and more potent than ever before. But what if we had the opportunity to breed for one thing and one thing only without the restrictions of prohibition? Forget flowering times and yields, breed only for “quality of the effect”. What if we didn’t have to worry about how much time it takes to flower and how many pounds a plant can produce and focus only on quality of the effect? What I’m referring to in quality effect is clarity, cleansing euphoric effect that has good duration and a clean finish that leaves you refreshed. A very special unique cannabis experience that only comes from long flowering equatorial NLD grown in its natural environment. I would like to focus my breeding not on yield or finishing times, I’m not interested in breeding seeds that grow somewhere else, I want to bring out is the beautiful traits that only accrue in high altitude tropical conditions. Also I want to look into natural stress as a way of enhancing the plants effect and get away from giving the plant everything it needs to grow faster. Sun, water a natural soil with minimal natural fertilizers. These are just some ideas I’m sorting out but I feel the way cannabis is being breed now will become obsolete with global legalization. I feel soon we will all come out of the closet and into the sunlight, where you should be.

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[45th]

My experience with Columbian was the gold that shipped into Cayo Hueso...commonly called Key West. It was the common and quantity herb on the islands. As far away as it was...a rare sample of Hawaiian made it's way contributing another level of high and cost

I find the current homegrown here to be between the two when it comes to %, smell and taste.

Today's contributions, breeds, hybrids, autos, fems, and dwarfs are simply overwhelming...but like ice cream, pick the flavor you like and always use that as the default

The posts on this thread were a good read and took me back a few years...

 

[red rider]

My experience with Columbian was the gold that shipped into Cayo Hueso...commonly called Key West. It was the common and quantity herb on the islands. As far away as it was...a rare sample of Hawaiian made it's way contributing another level of high and cost

I find the current homegrown here to be between the two when it comes to %, smell and taste.

Today's contributions, breeds, hybrids, autos, fems, and dwarfs are simply overwhelming...but like ice cream, pick the flavor you like and always use that as the default

The posts on this thread were a good read and took me back a few years...

One of the most attractive things about cannabis to me is the great variety. In the seventies there was real exotic variety with weed from all over the world coming to North America. I too was lucky to have experienced the legendary Hawaiian during the late 70s and remember it vividly. It was truly spectacular with colors and smells that were unknown to me at that time. Comparing the Hawaiian I had to the Colombian I had during that time I would have to say the Hawaiian was better than 90% of the Colombian. That’s saying something because I smoked 99.9% more Colombian than Hawaiian due to the Hawaiian being so rare. I only saw it a few times and it was very expensive. However effect wise the fresh fruity Hawaiian just didn’t have the punch, the depth that the best Colombian red had. The Hawaiian was bright green and lightly compressed, not fermented and 100% seedless and most possibly the first “hybrid” I had ever seen. It was potent too with a beautiful long lasting clean effect that was much different than the sleepy Colombian commercial. But when put up against the finest redbud or wacky weed the beautiful Hawaiian was light in the pants, it just didn’t take me away like the Colombian. The great Colombian some of us were lucky enough to experience in the 60s 70s and 80s leave us all with fond memories of excellent weed, however most was simply bulk field grown export grade($$$) only weed. The very very best Colombian has never left the country and is unknown to outsiders. With modern growing and curing techniques Colombia can produce cannabis of a much higher quality then was ever seen in the exports.

In the near future with global legalization I think there will be a shift or a regression if you will to traditional (dry sift) hashish production and demand. There will always be a market for fresh flowers but I think the majority of consumers will prefer clean sifted glands to the flowers, I mean that's what we really want to smoke anyway. With the vail of prohibition being removed we can cultivate enough outdoor plants to produce a surplus of high quality economical dry sift hashish. I myself can’t wait to taste fine hashish from all over the world.

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[ThaiBliss]

...I think there will be a shift or a regression if you will to traditional (dry sift) hashish production and demand. I myself can’t wait to taste fine hashish from all over the world.

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You may be on to something there Red Rider. I can see it going that way in the long term. I do have to repeat that I love hash. I even like hash from couch-lock type strains that am sick and tired of in bud form. There is something different about the high from pure resin glands. I have made hash from what I consider world class weed, and shared it with some very experienced smokers and had it declared as some of the best they ever smoked. But in my opinion, it was not as good as the bud. Perhaps it is as simple as how the high develops. The high from smoking bud comes on more slowly and blossoms in a different way. This theory is just to give the benefit of the doubt to those that believe that everything that we experience as a high comes only from the resin glands, even though I don't really believe that. The difference in the high is too obvious, to me anyway, for that to be the case.

I have no way of knowing, but I suspect some of the best bud did find it's way out of Colombia. Back in the 70s, I was 2 degrees removed from small scale importers, on the scale of 100s of pounds. They would always get a pound or two of much higher quality weed. That was the stuff that blew peoples minds. There is no doubt that the Punto Rojo was getting into the States. Does this mean that there are strains that you have found that are significantly better than Punto Rojo?

My apologies for being so contradictory. I am in a bad mood because I have been speaking with local dispensaries about their Cannabis purchases. They are buying based on testing alone, as in the highest THC content is getting bought and the rest rejected. This indicates to me that legalization is going to do nothing to improve the quality of the bud being sold. I'm feeling disheartened and frustrated by the lack of knowledge. People are not even willing to judge weed by experiencing it. They are letting chemists decide what they like. Chemists don't seem to understand that behavioral scientists need to calibrate what their results mean, through double blind studies. We need to look towards the wine industry as a model as to how to judge the final product. There is no way in hell that a machine can tell what it is like to experience a good bottle of wine. There will always be some unknown (magic) factors that we cannot account for scientifically. To assume so, is to assume that humans have perfect knowledge. Frankly, there is ample evidence to the contrary.

Sorry about dropping the soapbox onto your thread. I am not a good enough diplomat to restrain myself. I do have passion for the bud though. LOL


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[Donn]

I am in a bad mood because I have been speaking with local dispensaries about their Cannabis purchases. They are buying based on testing alone, as in the highest THC content is getting bought and the rest rejected. This indicates to me that legalization is going to do nothing to improve the quality of the bud being sold.

I don't know - we're 6 months in, here in Washington State, and while it's mostly like that - most everything on the shelves is 18-24% THC - I'm now seeing a couple items slightly under 10%, with shop reports like "surprisingly awesome high." It's early, 6 months is a short time for people to acquire a sophisticated appreciation for something so complex, so I'm optimistic. And I'm very interested in ways to foster more sophisticated appreciation. Legalization is key - everyone's above ground, so you're getting known quantities instead of jive.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for your post. I needed to hear that.

 

[red rider]

Cielo Azul

Cielo Azul

Thank you guys so much for sharing this vital information, I mean you two are at ground zero for the removal of prohibition. My sincerest gratitude and respect, thank you for your valuable posts. Thaibliss I have to say having experienced both the Colombian exports and the primo (non crippa) domestic Colombian there is a significant difference in overall quality. Obviously the domestic is fresher and not as beat up by transport and storage, giving it a cleaner kick than the export. The best Colombian I’ve ever had was the domestic strains I grew myself here in Bogota. The Santa Marta Gold, the coastal green and a few no names were simply incredible and not even on the same level as the export. I do not think Colombian is the best cannabis or the strongest cannabis but it is my favorite flavor and the one I wish to pursue in this life. Just like you Thaibliss I love the hashish, all hash but fine dry sift is my outright favorite. I too love even the heavy narcotic blacks and hand rubbed charras (I want to look into to this hash too) that knock you out. I think the reason we get flowers here in the west instead of hashish is a direct result of prohibition. I mean it takes a lot of time skill and flowers to make hashish, whereas taking whole plants and compressing them into bricks to be sent north is far more profitable since the market will support it.

Farmers grade Punto Rojo dry sift

I think legalization will take a little time to settle down and the big boys are going to try to mainstream commercialize with preconceived sales strategies, like higher the THC the better. And the masses will fall for this strategy as Wal-Mart runs blue light specials on 27% THC certified warehouse Kush in fifty different flavors. But at the same time there is a nitch market of cannabis connoisseurs that will demand the type of quality Donn and Thaibliss cultivate, this type of quality cannot be replicated by big cannabis and is not in their interest anyway. So yeah this will take some time to get sorted out but it will and I think it will happen very quickly. I hope not to be wrong but by 2020 I hope to be able to legally order bud directly from anywhere in the world selling it.

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[45th]

I'd much rather see dispensaries testing the product for herbicides and other poisons that are not checked for and sold...I'd take slightly lower % stuff that's organic...wait...that's what I grow except I think some strains may reveal a higher % this grow

 

[_tessarecting]

Some labs take kickbacks for number manipulation.

Sounds like there's a market to fill here.

 

[Weedninja]

Some labs take kickbacks for number manipulation.

Sounds like there's a market to fill here.

Haha, that's pretty cynical. You're a fine businessman in the making.

 

[_tessarecting]

I mean there are people that want testing done for things other than high thc content like the masses go for. The labs even provide the services but they are rarely paid for and used it seems.

 

[Weedninja]

I mean there are people that want testing done for things other than high thc content like the masses go for. The labs even provide the services but they are rarely paid for and used it seems.

Ahh...gotcha. I thought you were saying you were going to open a crooked lab and cook the numbers

There used to be a lab that did a pretty low cost terpene profile, called Cannalytics I think. The problem was that they used TLC, which isn't the best quantitative test.

I agree with you. I'd love to see dispensary samples and even the parents of seeds I'm buying come with a graph of THC, CBD, CBC, THCA, THCV, etc.

 

[_tessarecting]

Some do cook the numbers for a price.