Vintage Colombian

[satva]

Viva la Colombia! President Santos seems to favor legalized marijuana, that would certainly give him a wild card in the on-going FARC (ELN) peace conference.

Hey Red, did a bit of research on Punto Rojo, you and others are noting its clear, transcendental high (spiritual). What can you tell us about the climate(s), micro-climate where Punto Rojo flourished as an in-breed-line? Is it a highland cultivar?

Is the climate hot and dry during harvest, planted during a wet season? Things like that. What triggers flowering, 3 - 4 months of vegetation? I can do okay with " hot and dry" conditions during harvest.

In Colorado, 90 degrees and 30% humidity is typical late summer- early fall. 90 degrees and 30% humidity is easy to re-create in a closet. Its more more challenging to re-create a tropical rain forest in my closet.

As for Rojo x Thai, that was Cannagiogen's original breeding plan, albeit it Highland Thai (Hmong Thai) dominate. Nine Highland Meao (Hmong) Thai females and a 1960's- 70's Colombian/ Mexican male. In 2003, a Meao Thai dominate male was used, so maybe 85% Highland Thai. One of the best I ever bought, was 1973 Burmese hand rubbed charas, Thai-like high- clearer than Highland Nepalese charas.

I've always liked highland cultivars, Santa Marta Gold, Acapulco Gold, Highland Guererro, Hmong Thai.

From the Rocky Mountains highlands ~ 5,750 feet. The sun gets more intense at 9,000 feet, and more so the higher up you go. Punto Rojo would require a greenhouse to be grown in Colorado.

"that's all I'm saying, give peace a chance..........

 

[huligun]

When it comes to hash these days most people are smoking hash made from trash. The old rule waste not want not is fine, but whether it is ice water, dry ice, dry sift or bho, the hash made from good bud is what you want. One hit shit for me. Even the stuff made from trash is okay, but just remember there are many levels of hash.

 

[red rider]

High N Dry

High N Dry

Hashish – The man that grows with a thousand plants knows only the deepest of her virtues.


Punto Rojo

Colombian Punto Rojo 2005


For me this is/was the ultimate example of what cannabis should be. We all know the effect is well documented so no need to go into that now (later of course).

Colombian Punto Rojo Bogota Colombia 2006 3 months


Cultivation, I’ve grown out many strains here in Colombia (around 9,000ft). However I unfortunately never finish a Punto Rojo, I did have one confirmed female but she didn’t make it. All the Colombians I did grow here outside with no artificial lighting (12/12) showed sex after a couple months from seed. So I think if you could grow them inside (no reason you couldn’t) for maybe 3 months at 12/12 from seed and confirm sex. Then put them under the sun like in June you should be able to harvest early October.

Colorado early 1970s


I lived in Colorado in the early seventies, my dad ran a “dude” ranch in between Vail and Steamboat. Summers of 70, 71.72.73 I went up to help work the ranch, it was at 7,000ft and the summers there were spectacular. I didn’t smoke then but I remember how dry and intense the sun was there at that altitude. I think if they could finish on time at your altitude Punto Rojo would love growing in Colorado. I honestly believe just from my own tastes that high altitude grown cannabis has a much more “complex” set of cannabinoids than her lower altitude grown sisters. This subtle difference of complexity is very pronounced to me in the Punto Rojo strain. High and dry.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Punto Rojo
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Colombian Punto Rojo 2005

Hi Red Rider,

I love that picture of the Punto Rojo bud. I'm sure I have posted this sentiment before, but I'm going to say it again. That bud looks just like one of the best Colombian I ever smoked. My friends went crazy over the Colombian Gold, but I thought the buds that looked like that were better. It was just called Colombian, but I named it Rainbow Bud, because it had every bud color in the book. Back then, when I was in high school, I smoked weed multiple time a days. I liked being high all the time. It was just a normal daily routine that I did not think much about. But when my friend was holding that Punto Rojo looking bud, I remember just aching to the bones to smoke some of that weed.

The only other one that I thought was better, at least stronger, than Colombian Gold was the all black one. It was killer strong. I may have liked it better because I found it from one of my contacts, instead of the guy that got us all the other stuff. That guy didn't like it, but it had debilitating potency. It was loaded with seeds and looked and tasted like the crappy commercial Colombian we started getting once Colombian got popular. It may have been somewhat sweeter than the very earthy dirt weed flavors of the worst Colombian.

Thanks for posting that picture. It put a big grin on my face when I woke up this morning and logged on.

ThaiBliss

 

[fabvariousk]

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You get to a place where you burn out? Not sure exactly what you mean? Does that mean you can't get higher? Please explain.
As for smoking way more multiple bongs of herb, it is not the herb that is getting you high, it is the resin on the herb that gets you high. If you really want to get considerably higher don't waste lung space with smoke from burning leaves and flowers, just smoke resin. Do you really think that smoking more weight of non active materials is the way to get higher? I can't speak of your tolerance, but I do know Cannabis and resin.
-SamS

I don't think smoking isolated resin is the best way to consume it for me personally. I think that when you make a concentrate you are diminishing its strength because you destroy the natural ratios present in the herb. The herb may be "weaker" than the hash but the burnout i speak of is when you feel pain in your temples after smoking and you dont want to smoke anymore. I never get that pain from bongs of herb and get it quickly with concentrates.the herb is better designed for the long hall!

I dont smoke just because i like to consume smoke. I am bipolar so i have to smoke to hit a mark in my head that cannot be achieved with with any concentrate.

It can best be described like this : You want to goto the moon? Concentrates are like a single cannon blast to get you there and bong hits of herb are like multiple stage rockets that allow you to go farther and farther.

I understand for many smokers a bowl of resin would be just fine and they couldnt imagine wanting to go any further.
That weed pictured above my 3dg13xJackOgTw cross is something that has virtually no ceiling compared to sift made from it.
It does not matter that it is a quarter the strength of resin if i can consume eight times as much of it.
Although i hate comparing weed to alcohol another analogy would be the differnce in doing a shot of everclear versus drinking beers to get a buzz. Sure the shot is technically more potent but is the experience better?
When i am no longer able to hit bongs like i do perhaps i will start to prefer the concentrate method. Until then i know what works for me and I would not say one way is better for all. Why would you?
I will certainly not refrain from giving my opinion on the matter because in many ways concentrates are keeping people from growing proper herb because they just think if they blast it they can fake potency. (Certainly not talking about you Sam)
is what i am saying really so hard to believe?
I know others feel the way i do about this as well.
The coolest thing is our opinions have spawned from having access to large amounts of what we believe is ideal for us individually. I hope someday everyone has access to exactly what they desire because only then can they decide what they really like and suits them best.

Again, amazing thread Red! Seeing someone else who has gotten themselves to a place where they can make their cannabis dreams come true makes me very happy!
Peace Out
Fabvariousk
BONGHITTER

 

[Mikell]

So when's the bidding start for some of the seeds in that Rojo?

 

[Adze]

Red Rider,

That has to be one of the prettiest most colorful chunks of compressed, seeded herb I can recall seeing! We should sit down and smoke that stuff until one of us falls off his chair, like drinking shots.

 

[red rider]

Classic Colombian lines

Classic Colombian lines

These are a few of the vintage Colombian strains I want to preserve and reintroduce to the gene pool.

High Altitude Punto Rojo

Punto Rojo not to be confused with "redbud" or red Colombian

Domestic purple Corinto Monster Sinsemilla

More fresh Colombian Corinto Monster (surprisingly potent)

High altitude farm central Colombia!

 

[red rider]

Snorting whiskey and drinking cocaine

Snorting whiskey and drinking cocaine

Red Rider,

That has to be one of the prettiest most colorful chunks of compressed, seeded herb I can recall seeing! We should sit down and smoke that stuff until one of us falls off his chair, like drinking shots.

Hola Adze! This bud is a perfect partner for shot shooting. You'll see soon enough.

 

[red rider]

Redbud

Redbud

Colombian domestic redbud

Sticky fully seeded Colombian redbud

 

[Vash]

Oh, the memories....

 

[satva]

Thanks Red, High and dry - is my mantra, along with replicating the original "time durations" in vegetation and flowering. Albeit, "native Colombian" habitat and intense Colombian sun are better mantras. <lol>

Much of Colorado at 7,500 feet, is like that today. We play in those 7,500 - 9,000 foot high valleys in the summer.

Yes agreed, 3 month minimum vegetation for Punto Rojo. Flowering from 3 month clones or clones of clones, would provide the plant with a 3 -6 month vegetation signal. I have "old" clones of clones of Destroyer that are auto-flowering on 14/10, next to seed plants.

I tried to flower "old" Destroyer clones in Colorado's intense summer sun, but late phase flowering plants +10 weeks of flower, (moved to total 12 hours of darkness), began to revert to vegetation - making leaves - instead of flowers. Probably caused by the blue wavelength of the mid-summer sun. IMO, using far red wavelength light when flowering tropical / sub-tropical sativas has merit.

I use as much of Colorado's far red-light as I can. Mostly south facing windows in the fall and winter. Its sunny today with 8 inches of snow- indoors the west and south sun is intense. Colorado frosts in early October, so the idea of growing Punto Rojo outdoors has a high chance of failure.

 

[red rider]

Update: Golden Colombian 1

Update: Golden Colombian 1

Ok so my buddy called me before the game last night, saying that I had to come see what he had. I had just obtained some from him Saturday so I really didn’t have the donation for another sample. But he persisted and I went on to get this fine pure Colombian gold.

It’s grown in the high mountains west of Bogota going to Manizales and according to my Colombian operative it had never been touched by outside genes. The truthfulness in this statement is questionable since I had earlier requested samples of pure heritage. However the sample speaks for itself and I can tell you this is very high quality Colombian, and a perfect representation of Gold. The look is absolutely classic gourmet Colombian, small little plump bud covered in a visible golden “fur”.

The smell is soft but unmistakable, a spicy sweet fragrance that is enticingly pleasant. The taste and burnt smell is strong and pronounced, reminiscent of church incense and blond Lebanese hashish. Its spicy sweet taste and fragrance linger after burning and set a reminiscent tone. The smoke expands but it really doesn’t cause a lot of coughing and onset is pretty quick. A very bright, reliving sensation starts flowing though mind and body right away and is followed with euphoria. Laughing starts about 15 minutes in even in less than funny situations and I find even small doses will bring this effect.

After about 45 minutes things calm down and I re-up if necessary. It is very clean but too euphoric for clarity and deep thinking also not nearly as potent as the sample obtained earlier in the week. Anyway I’ve got my Colombian buddy looking in the right direction.

 

[Raho]

Damn Red, congrats!
Such a perfect description of the smoke experience..

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to red rider again.

 

[bigherb]

Red

That Gold sounds special ,I love the description of church incense an Lebanese hash with the euphoric effect . I hope you decide to work that line if you have seeds

Thanks again for sharin

Keep us posted on your preservation project at la finca

1luvbigherb

 

[huligun]

Jinete Rojo, Amazing thread my friend, of the equal quality as the old Sativa Thread. At this quality we should ask that this thread become a sticky. It will attract people of like mind and perhaps people can share and fill in the holes for the stories of this awesome period in time.

I have seen buds like your Purple Corinto that was grown on the border of California and Oregon. There is a highway that goes from Interstate 5 in Grants Pass Oregon to the Pacific Coast. It is Highway 199 and is called the Redwood Highway. It weaves in and out of California and through some very chill little towns. In those little towns there is more Cannabis than people to smoke it. I seen the Colombian buds grown there and was able to get them for little more than a handshake. There are generations of growers there, where you will have Grandfather, Father and Son passing the torch. A very chill spot and apparently it supports the needs for growing a long flowering Sativa. I got my buds fresh in December there. I didn't see any seeds, so this is possibly a clone only strain found in this geographic location. I wish I could find my pictures of the those buds.

I love your location shots almost as much as your bud shots. Things people like are photos that show the way of life. The big cities and beaches are a lot like other places in the tropics, but the food stands and businesses in the barrio are fun to see. Keep up the good work.

 

[iTarzan]

Sam you are not taking into account some key facts that make smoking pleasurable.

1. The leaf adds something to the flavor and smoke that myself and many old school smokers love. The leaves have their own flavor to add. It just isn't the resin heads.

2. Resin heads are not the only thing that get people high. Many buds that don't have that great of resin heads get you very stoned. 1975 Columbian Gold was not a bag appeal resin monster. The power was intrinsic. It was in the leaves and leaflet stems. Tender side shoots of vegging plants can get you nice and stoned. It has been written about and not just by me.

3. Sometimes when people get tolerant of a particular strain they can get high again just by switching up the method by which they smoke it. If you were bonging all the time you can smoke a pipe or roll a joint and you will get high as you did before. Ways to smoke resin are limited.

4. You can't roll a resin joint. That fact alone limits the usefulness of resin to me.

5. Just like in love making foreplay is a great enhancer. The foreplay with smoking weed is the looking at the buds, the breaking up of the buds, the filling of the bowl or the rolling of the joint. Dabbing just does not have the foreplay factor.

6. If I have a bud of Chem D and I break it up the smell is much more interesting than hash made of Chem D resin. It has a much more complex flavor profile than resin.

7. Different locations add to the experience. Buds travel well. You can roll a joint sitting next to a waterfall or have a joint already rolled for what ever location you are going to. Resin is a pain in the ass to travel with and share with people.

8. Resin IMHO is more harsh on the lungs. I might not have a scientific reason but I know most of my friends complain all day the next day after smoking bubble hash, iso hash and butane oil. The next day after smoking many joints the night before you wake up and cough up a bunch of crap and then feel fine to start smoking later that day.

I hate it when my buds run out and I have to rely on bubble hash. The stone does not get as good, it doesn't last as long and I ruin my lungs trying to get as high as I want.

Once at a festival I was the old dude hanging out with the young stoners and they marveled at how many dabs I could smoke. I wasn't that high. When they all quit I went and rolled a big fat joint and got where I wanted to be.

 

[huligun]

There is a Tell-All book available called Loaded. It is a great read and describes smuggling tons of Colombian Gold to Ann Arbor Michigan in the 70s. Lots of interesting details there. Lots of precise locations where various strains were grown. The guy used a DC-3 to carry the stuff to the US. He did a bunch of other Smuggling to other places, but the thing that got him rich was the CG to Ann Arbor.

 

[sdd420]

I've gotten outdoor grown that tasted and smelled like lumbo but was sinsemilla . It wasn't gold though just regular Columbian like we got in 70 s it was ok not great. Still looking for the gold btw that was 5 to 6 years ago hum bolt grown. Peace sdd

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

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I don't think smoking isolated resin is the best way to consume it for me personally. I think that when you make a concentrate you are diminishing its strength because you destroy the natural ratios present in the herb. The herb may be "weaker" than the hash but the burnout i speak of is when you feel pain in your temples after smoking and you dont want to smoke anymore. I never get that pain from bongs of herb and get it quickly with concentrates.the herb is better designed for the long hall!

I dont smoke just because i like to consume smoke. I am bipolar so i have to smoke to hit a mark in my head that cannot be achieved with with any concentrate.

It can best be described like this : You want to goto the moon? Concentrates are like a single cannon blast to get you there and bong hits of herb are like multiple stage rockets that allow you to go farther and farther.

I understand for many smokers a bowl of resin would be just fine and they couldnt imagine wanting to go any further.
That weed pictured above my 3dg13xJackOgTw cross is something that has virtually no ceiling compared to sift made from it. It does not matter that it is a quarter the strength of resin if i can consume eight times as much of it.

To be honest I have never seen weed that was stronger then the resin dry sifted from it, never. Where does the potency come from if not the resin?
That and smoking say 1 gram of herb or resin in a single hit gets you much higher then smoking the same amount in 10 hits.
(I am not advising people to try and smoke 1 gram of resin in 1 hit, unless you are sure you can, maybe try a half or 1/10 gram first?)
-SamS

Although i hate comparing weed to alcohol another analogy would be the differnce in doing a shot of everclear versus drinking beers to get a buzz. Sure the shot is technically more potent but is the experience better?

It is not really a fair comparison, comparing weed to resin or to everclear, of course the resin is more potent, but resin is not everclear, dry sifted resin has more terpenes and taste then weed does by weight.

When i am no longer able to hit bongs like i do perhaps i will start to prefer the concentrate method. Until then i know what works for me and I would not say one way is better for all. Why would you?

No I am not say what works best for you or what you like the best, I am disagreeing that weed is stronger then the cleaned up resin from the same weed. How can weed that is 20% THC compete with the same weed's dry sift that is over 80% THC, and still terpene rich? I have never made blast, I never will, it reduces terpene content a lot, I like terpenes. Same with water sifted hash, it reduces terpene content, I prefer dry sift resin.

I will certainly not refrain from giving my opinion on the matter because in many ways concentrates are keeping people from growing proper herb because they just think if they blast it they can fake potency. (Certainly not talking about you Sam)
is what i am saying really so hard to believe?
I know others feel the way i do about this as well.
The coolest thing is our opinions have spawned from having access to large amounts of what we believe is ideal for us individually. I hope someday everyone has access to exactly what they desire because only then can they decide what they really like and suits them best.

Again, amazing thread Red! Seeing someone else who has gotten themselves to a place where they can make their cannabis dreams come true makes me very happy!
Peace Out
Fabvariousk
BONGHITTER