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VerdantGreen's quarters - 250HPS organic mod.scrog
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hi neon - its only been 5 days for the seeds so i still hold out some hope. they have basically been rattling around in my belongings for 15 or so years - its always going to be a long shot 
oldbootz - thanks, and thanks for stopping by
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i tossed the 2 mothers of MLI that i was keeping - nice smoke but lacks a little potency and doesnt really so anything different to others like the NL. i like smoking it - good bedtime smoke but i want better still. i also have 50 odd f2 seeds . tossed the male too as i dont see the point of using a male from a strain that im not mad about. also took 2 cuttings of the origial Black Forrest male that ive been using the flowered cutting of for pollen. tossed the original plant. i want to keep this ,male around for a while till ive tested some seeds that it made - but again a 16 week strain may not be a good general breeding male. i only really have room and time to properly test 1 male so i want to pick something with a reasonably short flowering period. i have some Jack The Ripper seeds to pop next week and i am hoping that may give me a male or 2 that will be a good all-rounder
V.
oldbootz - thanks, and thanks for stopping by
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i tossed the 2 mothers of MLI that i was keeping - nice smoke but lacks a little potency and doesnt really so anything different to others like the NL. i like smoking it - good bedtime smoke but i want better still. i also have 50 odd f2 seeds . tossed the male too as i dont see the point of using a male from a strain that im not mad about. also took 2 cuttings of the origial Black Forrest male that ive been using the flowered cutting of for pollen. tossed the original plant. i want to keep this ,male around for a while till ive tested some seeds that it made - but again a 16 week strain may not be a good general breeding male. i only really have room and time to properly test 1 male so i want to pick something with a reasonably short flowering period. i have some Jack The Ripper seeds to pop next week and i am hoping that may give me a male or 2 that will be a good all-rounder
V.
Heya verdant, this is cool. I didn't know about grow journals! the actual grow journal button doesn't work though, just your link.
I just figured out I can use containers just like yours, albeit cut down.
I wanted to ask about training the plants onto the screen before 12/12, and transplanting with a lid on, and reattaching the frame to the second container.
Also, I have had a problem with insufficient filling (blue burmese), and also unruly growth (pacific mix from fritillary - mostly sativa). I am unsure just how much the roots will fill out after the flip. my screens are about 7.5 x 10 inches. So when should I make the last transplant?
thanks for your help, and kudos on your work.
I just figured out I can use containers just like yours, albeit cut down.
I wanted to ask about training the plants onto the screen before 12/12, and transplanting with a lid on, and reattaching the frame to the second container.
Also, I have had a problem with insufficient filling (blue burmese), and also unruly growth (pacific mix from fritillary - mostly sativa). I am unsure just how much the roots will fill out after the flip. my screens are about 7.5 x 10 inches. So when should I make the last transplant?
thanks for your help, and kudos on your work.
hi mj - yeah i think the journal button goes somewhere different but this grow diaries thread is a great way to check out how other people grow. there is also a micro-grows forum as well.
yeah i reckon transplanting with the screen on would be very fiddly and potentially dangerous to the plant! - tbh fitting the screen over the plant is the hardest bit of the grow as it is easy to damage the stems!. if you were transplanting into a larger container the legs wouldnt fit the rim and you couldnt push them into the soil as the plant would be attached. i tend to veg them for a few weeks depending on strain and then repot, fit the screen and flip them at the same time. as i've said before i tend to over-veg (especially the less stretchy ones) and then you dont have a problem filling the screen - you tend to have an overgrow problem which i much prefer..
the roots do fill out after the flip. i often go from a 3-4 litre pot right up to a 12-15 litre pot when i flip and the roots fill that fine - although they dont get too potbound. in future im going to try and veg in a 7 litre pot so as the step up isnt so big. having said that i am convinced that this big step up encourages quite a bit of stretch so it can be quite useful for scrog (although it probably delays flowering a little). i also quite like the plants to fill the screen and end up about 6" above it as i think that increases the yield - but it is sailing a little close to the wind when height is limited.
my logistics decide when i should transplant because i basically cant really get my big flowering pots into my veg cab. if you have the choice you may like to veg your less stretchy plants in their final pots for a week if you can.
another thing to bear in mind is that plants from seed tend to be more vigorous than clones of the same plant.
if you have too much stretching and the plants get too high above the screen then taking some growth off doesnt hurt as long as you are early in flowering. best to cut off a top or 2 and get all the rest of the buds at the optimal distance from the screen.
first time you run a strain tends to be hope for the best - ive been quite lucky - but once you run them once you can really refine the whole process of veg and screen fill for the strain.
my stretchiest is the Blueberry and i tend to top that once and as soon as the two tops are a couple of inches taller than the screen would go i flip them and they stretch more than enough.
with a non stretchy indica dom like NL i will top a couple or three times and then fit the screen when all these are a bit taller - so in this case the screen is acting more to keep the buds at optimal spacing than actually training them - perhaps you will train the tops under the screen a bit - for a few nodes.
hope that makes some vague sense!
feel free to ask me to clarify anything
cheers
V.
yeah i reckon transplanting with the screen on would be very fiddly and potentially dangerous to the plant! - tbh fitting the screen over the plant is the hardest bit of the grow as it is easy to damage the stems!. if you were transplanting into a larger container the legs wouldnt fit the rim and you couldnt push them into the soil as the plant would be attached. i tend to veg them for a few weeks depending on strain and then repot, fit the screen and flip them at the same time. as i've said before i tend to over-veg (especially the less stretchy ones) and then you dont have a problem filling the screen - you tend to have an overgrow problem which i much prefer.
.the roots do fill out after the flip. i often go from a 3-4 litre pot right up to a 12-15 litre pot when i flip and the roots fill that fine - although they dont get too potbound. in future im going to try and veg in a 7 litre pot so as the step up isnt so big. having said that i am convinced that this big step up encourages quite a bit of stretch so it can be quite useful for scrog (although it probably delays flowering a little). i also quite like the plants to fill the screen and end up about 6" above it as i think that increases the yield - but it is sailing a little close to the wind when height is limited.
my logistics decide when i should transplant because i basically cant really get my big flowering pots into my veg cab. if you have the choice you may like to veg your less stretchy plants in their final pots for a week if you can.
another thing to bear in mind is that plants from seed tend to be more vigorous than clones of the same plant.
if you have too much stretching and the plants get too high above the screen then taking some growth off doesnt hurt as long as you are early in flowering. best to cut off a top or 2 and get all the rest of the buds at the optimal distance from the screen.
first time you run a strain tends to be hope for the best - ive been quite lucky - but once you run them once you can really refine the whole process of veg and screen fill for the strain.
my stretchiest is the Blueberry and i tend to top that once and as soon as the two tops are a couple of inches taller than the screen would go i flip them and they stretch more than enough.
with a non stretchy indica dom like NL i will top a couple or three times and then fit the screen when all these are a bit taller - so in this case the screen is acting more to keep the buds at optimal spacing than actually training them - perhaps you will train the tops under the screen a bit - for a few nodes.
hope that makes some vague sense!
feel free to ask me to clarify anything
cheers
V.
thanks verdant!
actually, I just fit my screens to the new pots, and they fit! I am considering putting some castings on bottom, lowering the root ball and screen, and then filling in around the root ball. I would rather have the soil undisturbed but the legs would wind up being inside the new pots (they were on the outside before. It fits because of the design - I can change the angle of the feet relative to the frame because it is a pvc "t" that joins the middle of the frame.
How high above medium are your screens? mine are a bit close out of necessity I think. I think though, that I am training too much and filling out the screen in the wrong way. I should not be so paranoid with my dinky cfl lights.
actually, I just fit my screens to the new pots, and they fit! I am considering putting some castings on bottom, lowering the root ball and screen, and then filling in around the root ball. I would rather have the soil undisturbed but the legs would wind up being inside the new pots (they were on the outside before. It fits because of the design - I can change the angle of the feet relative to the frame because it is a pvc "t" that joins the middle of the frame.
How high above medium are your screens? mine are a bit close out of necessity I think. I think though, that I am training too much and filling out the screen in the wrong way. I should not be so paranoid with my dinky cfl lights.
gotcha - that sounds like a good method - i know you dont like posting photos but i would like to see them sometime..
i think my screens are around 6" above the pots
withe the training i tend to start at the outside and train the tops under the screen towards the centre - then the scrog should be higher at the edge and a little shorter in the middle. - perhaps that wont work so well with multiple cfl's though.
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lookslike i will have some f2 Black Forrest seeds - the hairs are withered on the bud i pollinated. sativa pollen is much finer than indica pollen so i hope not too much drifted onto the other buds - the one next to it looks like it caught i little too. still i bet there will be a few takers for any extra seeds i get.
V.
started using a little molasses in the water today as the powerplant looked a little short of cal/mag. 1 good tsp per gallon.
i think my screens are around 6" above the pots
withe the training i tend to start at the outside and train the tops under the screen towards the centre - then the scrog should be higher at the edge and a little shorter in the middle. - perhaps that wont work so well with multiple cfl's though.
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lookslike i will have some f2 Black Forrest seeds - the hairs are withered on the bud i pollinated. sativa pollen is much finer than indica pollen so i hope not too much drifted onto the other buds - the one next to it looks like it caught i little too. still i bet there will be a few takers for any extra seeds i get.
V.
started using a little molasses in the water today as the powerplant looked a little short of cal/mag. 1 good tsp per gallon.
i'm feeling righteous atm because yesterday i root pruned and repotted all my mother plants - added a little hoof and horn to the soil mix to give some slow release nitrogen.
here are the mums i am holding atm:-
DP Blueberry fem - my first mum - hopefully she will be around for a long time!
Martian mean green - great lively haze dom.
Sharksbreath - probably the strongest one i have. i want to do some crosses with this.
Arjan's haze 3 - this is fast becoming a favorite. a nice mellow but sociable/creative haze.
Northern Lights - Ill probably let this one go eventually but i want to make some seeds with it first.
Black Forrest - the same as the one i'm growing out atm
UK Cheese - still havent smoked this but i'mvery lucky to have this heirloom!. always liked a good skunk so i imagine i'll like it!
Power Plant - quite a fast pheno,but the mum seemed to be trying to flower, hopefully the repot will fix that.
Male -
just w Black forrest male cuttings that i hope roots as i have thrown the original plant away!
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in other news, no show from the old NL bagseeds yet
its been a week now so my hope is starting to fade.
more pics tomorrow. the BF is looking beautiful
V.
here are the mums i am holding atm:-
DP Blueberry fem - my first mum - hopefully she will be around for a long time!
Martian mean green - great lively haze dom.
Sharksbreath - probably the strongest one i have. i want to do some crosses with this.
Arjan's haze 3 - this is fast becoming a favorite. a nice mellow but sociable/creative haze.
Northern Lights - Ill probably let this one go eventually but i want to make some seeds with it first.
Black Forrest - the same as the one i'm growing out atm
UK Cheese - still havent smoked this but i'mvery lucky to have this heirloom!. always liked a good skunk so i imagine i'll like it!
Power Plant - quite a fast pheno,but the mum seemed to be trying to flower, hopefully the repot will fix that.
Male -
just w Black forrest male cuttings that i hope roots as i have thrown the original plant away!
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in other news, no show from the old NL bagseeds yet
its been a week now so my hope is starting to fade.
more pics tomorrow. the BF is looking beautiful
V.
V
vonforne
I am getting ready to run a screen also. I LST them before the transplant to the tubs. Then I can scrog them. I think this will work in controlling the height and bring up the side shoots at the same time. And the I will fill out the screen.
I was thinking of PVC also.
V
thanks SW! - glad it's of use to you
von - i cant wait to see the screen over that big tub (is it one of those cement mixing baths?)
V.
von - i cant wait to see the screen over that big tub (is it one of those cement mixing baths?)
V.
Black Forrest - where there's a will there's a way
Black Forrest - where there's a will there's a way
here is the Black Forrest sativa today at 5 weeks. its quite a bit above the screen but just fits into the cab still. im very excited about this one
nug today
here is a pic under the screen to show how i planted it - at 45 degrees in order to lose some height.
and just a reminder of how it looked 5 weeks ago with the screen just fitted.
looks like the pollenation worked so we sould have some f2's on the way
more later
V.
Black Forrest - where there's a will there's a way
here is the Black Forrest sativa today at 5 weeks. its quite a bit above the screen but just fits into the cab still. im very excited about this one
nug today
here is a pic under the screen to show how i planted it - at 45 degrees in order to lose some height.
and just a reminder of how it looked 5 weeks ago with the screen just fitted.
looks like the pollenation worked so we sould have some f2's on the way
more later
V.
V
vonforne
Ya they are just for that. 100 liters for 5.95 € Can´t beat that price. I am going to try and get 8 in one of those. And then put a screen over the top.
LOL they out grew the screen in that first picture. That would be a good plant for a vertical scrog.
V
glad to hear you like the Arjans Haze #3.
thats the stout sat?
i was considering that a while back to have a canopy compliant haze
good growin mate!
sir
thats the stout sat?
i was considering that a while back to have a canopy compliant haze
good growin mate!
sir
von - yeah, the BF, its pushing the limits!. 16 week sativa vegged for 60 days growing in 1sq foot 3.5' high.
only 11 weeks to go fingers crossed.
the taller buds on one side actually work ok because they cause a stadium type effect and use the light well.
SirSmokalot - thanks! - the Ah3 is pretty squat. great smell. pretty mellow for a haze but it is a haze and its growth structure is indica with sat leaves.
here is the canopy atm just as it is in the cab. the quarters are at pretty different stages and some would be much shorter than others if the pots werent shimmed up
front left cheese, front right PP
back left cheese, back right BF
from a more side angle
V.
only 11 weeks to go
fingers crossed.the taller buds on one side actually work ok because they cause a stadium type effect and use the light well.
SirSmokalot - thanks! - the Ah3 is pretty squat. great smell. pretty mellow for a haze but it is a haze and its growth structure is indica with sat leaves.
here is the canopy atm just as it is in the cab. the quarters are at pretty different stages and some would be much shorter than others if the pots werent shimmed up
front left cheese, front right PP
back left cheese, back right BF
from a more side angle
V.
stone_edd - thanks! - i think organic soil can yield as well as any method although some would disagree
hey oldbootz - i havent actually tried the UK cheese yet (cant wait) but i have had the greenhouse seed version which i thought was a very good smoke.
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couple of pics of the Power Plant from yesterday at 37 days
nug
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saw a few mites on my Bb mum as well yesterday - i really hope that i have caught it in time! - i got a little complacent and havent neemed in a while (and here's me telling everyone to neem plants a couple times in veg even if you have no mites
)
note to self - practice what you preach
fingers crossed they havent made it to the lower cab yet - my suspicion is that they were carried in on some outdoor buds i was drying in the cupboard where my duct intake is another schoolboy error.
anyway fingers crossed
ive all but given up on the NL bagseeds , sowed 4 Jack the Ripper seeds yesterday.
cheers
V.
hey oldbootz - i havent actually tried the UK cheese yet (cant wait) but i have had the greenhouse seed version which i thought was a very good smoke.
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couple of pics of the Power Plant from yesterday at 37 days
nug
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saw a few mites on my Bb mum as well yesterday - i really hope that i have caught it in time! - i got a little complacent and havent neemed in a while (and here's me telling everyone to neem plants a couple times in veg even if you have no mites
)note to self - practice what you preach
fingers crossed they havent made it to the lower cab yet - my suspicion is that they were carried in on some outdoor buds i was drying in the cupboard where my duct intake is
another schoolboy error.anyway fingers crossed
ive all but given up on the NL bagseeds , sowed 4 Jack the Ripper seeds yesterday.
cheers
V.
hi HerbGlaze - no i dont have aircooled - i dont really want anything between my bulb and buds
dont really have any temp issues except in the heat of summer but thats more to do with ambient temps in my house/loft without aircon. i have a Ruck temperature controlled fan which is a fairly standard 4" inline except it has a temp sensor and 4 speeds - so it increases/decreases cfm to keep it at the prescribed temperature (it measures the temp of the exhaust air) this keeps the environment in there quite stable.
i rate my reflector very highly - it's an ecotechnics diamond shaped reflector and it's supposed to throw more light down - it certainly lights my cab quite evenly if i keep the bulb 6-7 inches from the buds
cheers
V.
dont really have any temp issues except in the heat of summer but thats more to do with ambient temps in my house/loft without aircon. i have a Ruck temperature controlled fan which is a fairly standard 4" inline except it has a temp sensor and 4 speeds - so it increases/decreases cfm to keep it at the prescribed temperature (it measures the temp of the exhaust air) this keeps the environment in there quite stable.
i rate my reflector very highly - it's an ecotechnics diamond shaped reflector and it's supposed to throw more light down - it certainly lights my cab quite evenly if i keep the bulb 6-7 inches from the buds
cheers
V.
hi HerbGlaze - no i dont have aircooled - i dont really want anything between my bulb and buds
dont really have any temp issues except in the heat of summer but thats more to do with ambient temps in my house/loft without aircon. i have a Ruck temperature controlled fan which is a fairly standard 4" inline except it has a temp sensor and 4 speeds - so it increases/decreases cfm to keep it at the prescribed temperature (it measures the temp of the exhaust air) this keeps the environment in there quite stable.
i rate my reflector very highly - it's an ecotechnics diamond shaped reflector and it's supposed to throw more light down - it certainly lights my cab quite evenly if i keep the bulb 6-7 inches from the buds
cheers
V.
Alright thanks for a prompt answer man!
