VerdantGreen's quarters - 250HPS organic mod.scrog

[etinarcadiaego]

No, good answer. What were temps like with BB if I may ask? What would say the ideal would be?

Also, how late into flower is an N def acceptable? Is there a point where you'll see yellowing leaves and let it go, or is it better to try to supply what the plant needs regardless of time remaining before it finishes?

PS: Thanks for the fast replys, I feel like I'm pumping you for info

 

[VerdantGreen]

temps for the Bb were in the 80's perhaps touched 90 a couple of times - my grow is in the attic and my house has no aircon. no symtoms of heat stress on the plants but it may have encouraged the foxtails (i didnt mind cos they are quite pretty and i got a great yield).

i firmly believe that it's best to let the soil run short of nutes in the last 2-3 weeks so the plants use up the reserves stored in the green leaves - i am convinced you get better smoke that way (although it doesnt replace proper curing which helps too). i like mine to go yellow in the last few weeks and tend to just use water - perhaps a little molasses - but defo just water for the last week or so.

other people will feed right up to the end so it;s just what you find works best for you.

V.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Thanks for the info. I also think the foxtails look cool, plus it can't be hard to trim pure calyxs

I'll try to do as you mention, and let the soil get lean in the last few weeks, and use plain water for the last 10 days or so.

 

[VerdantGreen]

no worries!

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today i raided my old seed stash and put into soak 6 Northern Lights Bagseeds that date back to the early nineties - not sure if they will be viable as they havent been kept in the fridge or anything but we will see. i added a little liquid seaweed to the tapwater as the Nitrogen and hormones in it can help old seeds to germinate. we will see....

i have a couple of haze seeds and a few others from the same era - i figure they arent getting any younger (neither am i ) so lets see if they will grow. NL first though as i would like to make some seeds if i get a male. i have a very vivid image of what NL looks like from back then and i would love to see the seeds grow into that

i always sow seeds during a waxing (getting bigger) moon as well.

send me some good vibes

V.

 

[oldschoolfarmer]

"i added a little liquid seaweed to the tapwater as the Nitrogen and hormones in it can help old seeds to germinate."

Sounds like old seeds need their viagra too

It's always cool to take a trip down memory lane. Hope they grow out!

I've had fox tails from heat stress, reveging moms, transplant stress, etc; but they didn't look like those Have you ever experienced the opposite? (Plants with 11-17 finger leaves?) I have a male with crazy finger numbers and I can't figure out if it was enviromental or genetic.

 

[neongreen]

Good luck with those seeds Verdant.

What I would usually do with old seeds, is to first scuff/scrape the edges before the pre-soak using seaweed extract and molasses in a 2/3 empty bottle of still mineral water.

Once they sink, they go in the soil (pre moistened) and then I keep them warm using a heating pad.

Closest thing to that BB of yours that I can find in my stash of saved pics (of other people's plants), is the AGxHN (otherwise known as "RM-45" or "Apple Pie") by Reeferman


There's also this Mango Haze


I'm fairly sure I've seen a sativa blueberry pheno like yours before, although not as pronounced bud-stacking. Yours is a real specimen IMHO! Hope you don't mind if I add it to my collection?

 

[milehighmedical]

Good luck man! I just popped some old Diesel seeds that I'm really excited about. 100% germination. Nothing like growing from seed.

I think this may be the first grow log I'm going to subscribe to. I just want to see you run this system as many times as I can. It's just plain badass with the strain diversity you're rocking.

Also, I'm pretty sure you never said anything about running CO2. Have you ever considered it?

And also, you said you were running 4-6 weeks on the veg. If I ran something like this I'd be limited to a strict 4 week veg (two at a time) due to my plant count/cycles. Is the variation in your veg time solely based on difference in genetics? Or has it expressed a noticeable difference on the yields as well? Or do you just veg till the screen is full and then: game time?

Last question... regarding your training technique. Do you simply top as many times as possible before you hit the screen and make sure they're even? Or do you always do what you showed in one of your pictures? Which looked like you trained them to one side, then wove them through across LST style and let them shoot straight up.

 

[HashishinReidi]

Looking very nice in there VG,your blueberry a few pages back looked the bizz with all those fox tail.Vg you run perpetual yes ? how often do you end up taking a plant or plants down .

That Black Forrest ,sure dos look a nice sat i bets thats going to be a nice toke.

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi neon, all the seeds sank after a few hours which was a good sign. they're in soil now. if they dont come up in a few days i may dig them up and scratch them up a bit - that's worked for me before too.nice pics - you are welcome to use mine too

 

[VerdantGreen]

milehigh - no CO2, although the air intake is ducted from the built in wardrobe in the bedroom so they may get a little bit extra from mine and the misses' breathing as we sleep lol.

4 weeks veg would be plenty i would say. i tend to over veg perhaps. personally i would prefer to have the problem of 'where am i going to fit all these buds' than 'sh1t its not going to fill the screen'. i think a decent veg so the plant is mature can help potency and yield.

training - its always different really and not necessarily always a rhyme or reason to it. the BF is the one you mentioned that i took clear from one side to the other after topping 3 times - its the only time i did that (i also planted it at an angle to save height) i was expecting a lot of stretch and i got it.
often i will top once and then train the two tips diagonally accross the screen from outside in.
it's one of those things that usually tends to turn out ok but often they look a real mess and you wonder how it;s ever going to come round
i fit the screen and repot at the same time as they go into the flower cab. this tends to encourage stretch (the repotting) and that usually helps. when trying new genetics it's always a bit of guesswork but research can help too.
basically it's a lot easier to get a good result than it may look. each plant is different but you just need to guide it to fill the gaps...

V.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hashishin - thanks - it's kind of perpetual in that there is never a gap in there. i always have a new plant to put in when i harvest. the harvest period goes over a few weeks at the moment but that may keep spreading. i guess if they were spread evenly i would be harvesting every 3 weeks or so.

V.

 

[McSnappler]

Hey bro, just checking in. Given out too much rep in past 24 hours but I'll be back!

 

[daddy fingaz]

Impressive work Verdant, ive been running pretty much SOG in a similar sized cab to yours my last few grows, done some lst in the past and always toyed with the idea of a proper mod scrog but never actually got round to doin it, think youve made my mind up!!!

Peace DF.

edit: oh and enjoy the cheese by the way!!!

 

[VerdantGreen]

lol cheers snap

did a little more pollenation today and dusted a bud of cheese with some of the BF pollen. the geurilla gold pollen painted on the power plant doesnt look too promising - maybe a few withered hairs - i reckon the pollen was mostly sterile
the Power Plant bud dusted with BF however has turned all the hairs brown so i should get a few seeds there - would it be distasteful for a skinny white guy to call a cross black power? (actually Power black sounds better and is more correct - i doubt i would presume to name anything unless it turned out better than either of the parents and that is unlikely as i'm just chucking pollen really atm)

just noticed today how many hits this diary has had - so to all the lurkers hi its ok to be a lurker, used to be one myself


V.

 

[ShamanStyle]

Nice

Nice

Hey there, congrats on that Sharksbreath pull, SWIM has been planning on running DNA with a 250 as well, was happy to find this thread. Keep up the good work!

 

[guanito]

nice setup VG!

 

[VerdantGreen]

Impressive work Verdant, ive been running pretty much SOG in a similar sized cab to yours my last few grows, done some lst in the past and always toyed with the idea of a proper mod scrog but never actually got round to doin it, think youve made my mind up!!!

Peace DF.

edit: oh and enjoy the cheese by the way!!!

hey df thanks for visiting. the mod scrog does take a bit of faffing around to set up and when you put new plants in but once it's rolling then it's pretty plain sailing. i would say good lst is much more skillful than scrog. scrog certainly keeps the plant numbers down and the modular makes it easier to run different genetics at the same time.

yeah looking forward to the cheese - i still think a good skunk is hard to beat. stretched a lot more than i expected though - i think its the repot i do when i stick them in the cab - from a 3-4 litre up to a 15 litre!. it was pretty slow to grow before that. (of course you could say that about any plant but the difference in the cheese growth was the most pronounced. im gonna try and veg in 7 litre pots next so the step up isnt so big. having said that the stretch is pretty useful and i'm not scared of overgrowing the screen and having the buds going to 6" or so above - that makes it harder to manage but maxes out the yield

ShamanStyle - yeah the sharksbreath is some special genetics and thats a good pheno too. whatever you say about greenhouse its hard to deny that great white shark is some devastating smoke. the sb still has that but with some lovely head to it as well. i want to chuck some pollen at it sometime too. the MMG is one of my most regular tokes now too.

guanito - thanks !

 

[VerdantGreen]

mod scrog in an ideal world.

mod scrog in an ideal world.

just wanted to mention a couple of things that i feel could improve on my setup and for people to bear in mind if they are thinking of mod scrog. by no means essential but worth doing if you can.

1. screens. - in an ideal world your cab would be square and so would the screens - set evenly above the pots. then you would be able to rotate each screen and shuffle them around to get the best canopy (which is slightly dished towards the middle). if you cab/screens is rectangular then at least try to have the pots so they can all be rotated though 180 degrees if required.

2. keep the inside of the cab free of battons or anything that encroaches on the space. i have battons down the back corners and have had to cut notches into the screens so as they fit around them

3. make the cab so the doors at the front open the whole front (without any returns at each side - this will make it much easier to get the pots in and out).

4. having a veg area that fits 1 or 2 big pots and screens in would be good so as yu can veg the plants onto the screen before flip for the less stretchy ones. - having said that i havent had a strain that didnt fill the screen yet.

thats all for now

V.

 

[VerdantGreen]

right - quick update - no show from the old NL seeds yet

here is a power plant bud that was pollenated a few days ago

and here is the cheese at 23 days - stretched quite a lot in the end...
it really is starting to smell of parmisan too!

BF and the other cheese is going well too

V.

 

[oldbootz]

love your work v