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uthenger's 2015 outdoor grow guerilla-style

uthenger

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Seeds

Seeds

Yesterday uthenger while grinding some bud from JH1 has heard some scrapping noise - was thinking is a stem. Then he found one seed, pretty big size, hard, light green - not fully matured color, but he thinks yhe seed is viable.
This means that there are 2 possibilities:

1: JH1 is a "hermie", true hermaphrodite or induced one by environmental factors - and that could be too, her sister, JH2 who is flowering indoor had a hard seedling time, from five seeds spouted only 3 (wet paper method) and only two made to the surface of the soil. JH2 was in a bigger container, and she developed two 1,5 cm/less than half inch leaves, then stopped growing for the next 2 weeks. Than uthenger realized that is not good to plant directly in final container, autoflower or not, contrary to the believe that the transplant to bigger container has any noticeable stress effect on plants - uthenger even thinks that the almost root bound plants actually enjoying the transplanting process, they love the fresh soil that they receive and once -or twice on harvest - in a lifetime they can see the sunshine too :laughing:. Back to the story, when JH2 was transplanted to a smaller container that could dry out, she began to grow, and autoflower or not, after the transplant she has vegged as long as JH1, even one week longer (she started the grow sloly, then exploded in growt), that means, even that they sprouted on the same day, she entered flowering only three weeks ago, so 3 weeks later than JH1. So what is with the ticking clock? She, JH2 also presented in preflowering some "balls" like formations on two branches, not too many, about 7-9 balls (early pollen sacks) in total, after 5 days they did not develop any hairs, so uthenger took them down, despite that he was not sure that they are male flowers in early stage or not.

2: Possibility #2 is that somebody else is growing near by and the pollen got there - the probability after uthenger's opinion is negligible.
 
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DuskrayTroubador

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Yesterday uthenger while grinding some bud from JH1 has heard some scrapping noise - was thinking is a stem. Then he found one seed, pretty big size, hard, light green - not fully matured color, but he thinks yhe seed is viable.
This means that there are 2 possibilities:

1: JH1 is a "hermie", true hermaphrodite or induced one by environmental factors - and that could be too, her sister, JH2 who is flowering indoor had a hard seedling time, from five seeds spouted only 3 (wet paper method) and only two made to the surface of the soil. JH2 was in a bigger container, and she developed two 1,5 cm/less than half inch leaves, then stopped growing for the next 2 weeks. Than uthenger realized that is not good to plant directly in final container, autoflower or not, contrary to the believe that the transplant to bigger container has any noticeable stress effect on plants - uthenger even thinks that the almost root bound plants actually enjoying the transplanting process, they love the fresh soil that they receive and once -or twice on harvest - in a lifetime they can see the sunshine too :laughing:. Back to the story, when JH2 was transplanted to a smaller container that could dry out, she began to grow, and autoflower or not, after the transplant she has vegged as long as JH1, even one week longer (she started the grow sloly, then exploded in growt), that means, even that they sprouted on the same day, she entered flowering only three weeks ago, so 3 weeks later than JH1. So what is with the ticking clock? She, JH2 also presented in preflowering some "balls" like formations on two branches, not too many, about 7-9 balls (early pollen sacks) in total, after 5 days they did not develop any hairs, so uthenger took them down, despite that he was not sure that they are male flowers in early stage or not.

2: Possibility #2 is that somebody else is growing near by and the pollen got there - the probability after uthenger's opinion is negligible.

I had that happen last year, only I got (I believe) 6 seeds total from the whole crop. 4 Green Poison and 2 KC33. There was a grow busted not too far from my plot last year, but I doubt pollen would have traveled through dense forest and if it did, I feel like it would have produced more seeds than 6.

I chalked mine up to hermies, but idk.
 

uthenger

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Today uthenger visited site1 and JH1 for harvesting.
The weather forecast was wrong, there were no thunderstorms, only rained once a small quantity, otherwise the weather was warm, 30-33 degrees Celsius (86-91 F). And will stay so in the following week if the forecast has right this time.
This time none of the plants has received any watering by hand, there was work to do harvesting JH and taking pictures.

Site#1 as for today July 30:

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uthenger

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As for today none of the freebies has shown any sign of their sex, they are vegging nicely, also they would thank uthenger for some extra trip to bring water to them.

Freebie 7 after the 22 July "LST"


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Also there is a large crack on freebie7's stem, that is healing in a strange way, forming two tubes. Does not affect nutrient uptake, uthenger has produced more damaged-looking LST that proved to be fine:

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So far for today, tomorrow will present JH at harvest time and the NL Autos on flower.
 

gorilla ganja

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Ouch, poor stem, uthenger should be gentler and kinder to plants.:biggrin:
Do freebies have names? They usually tell you what they are.
 

uthenger

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@gorilla ganja
No, the freebies have just numbers 1,2,4, 5, 6 and 7 at spot#1. Freebie3 when juvenile was lost probably due to slug or snail attack.

So back to the updates:

On July 30 uthenger harvested Jock Horror Auto at 48 days in flowering. He did not watered JH1 on the last 10 days thinking that since in late flower there is no need for large quantities of water, and there was expected a thunderstorm with lots of rain that didn't come.
Uthenger thinks that he slightly overrun the optimum harvest time, because at harvest all the fan leaves were death and some of the bud sites had starting to die, turning brown.
Uthenger was alarmed that this is bud rot. There were no overlap on the affected bud sites and the next "normal" to them, and also the affected area was not at the tightest budsites. Also the "lesions" did not grow in size after the slight manicure.
He also took a look at these dried-up bud sites and did not found any sign of fungal infection (spores, mycelia, hyphae). Also could be other pathogens like viruses or bacteria, but the fungal infection was ruled out.

The pictures of the bud and under the microscope were taken after 2 days of air dry. the brown microscopic image is not focused compared to the unaffected green ones.

later edited: After some research he is thinking that it is bud rot (Botrytis, Grey mold)

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uthenger

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Also at harvest day he noticed that the fishing line is broken, then he saw JH1 on spot untouched. Next to JH1 about 3 meters or 10 feet away there were some bushes, and the branches were cut down probably by a sharp cutting tool. So somebody was near by JH to collect some straight brances probably for basket making or something like that and didn't notice (hard from there not to see) or didn't know what it is.
 

uthenger

Member
@gorilla ganja
No, the freebies have just numbers 1,2,4, 5, 6 and 7 at spot#1. Freebie3 when juvenile was lost probably due to slug or snail attack.

So back to the updates:

On July 30 uthenger harvested Jock Horror Auto at 48 days in flowering. He did not watered JH1 on the last 10 days thinking that since in late flower there is no need for large quantities of water, and there was expected a thunderstorm with lots of rain that didn't come.
Uthenger thinks that he slightly overrun the optimum harvest time, because at harvest all the fan leaves were death and some of the bud sites had starting to die, turning brown.
Uthenger was alarmed that this is bud rot, but the texture and the close inspection of these sites had convinced him that it is not the case. There were no overlat on the affected bud sites and the next "normal" to them, and also the affected area was not at the tightest budsites. Also the "lesions" did not grow in size after the slight manicure.
He also took a look at these dried-up bud sites and did not found any sign of fungal infection (spores, mycelia, hyphae). Also could be other pathogens like viruses or bacteria, but the fungal infection was ruled out.

The pictures of the bud and under the microscope were taken after 2 days of air dry. the brown microscopic image is not focused compared to the unaffected green ones.

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Also now looking closely to the picture he thinks that can see the fungal mycelia on those brown hairs, just more smaller than the usual Penicillium or Aspergillus species that grow bigger mycelia. He will take a sample and look closely with a high magnification microscope next week, maybe under 400x or 1000x magnification.
 

uthenger

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Northern Lights

Northern Lights

Also I have received the pictures of NL1&2 took on July 30:

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And together...

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uthenger

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Update as for August 4

Update as for August 4

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[/FONT]@slender: You are right, it is mold, uthenger looked closely with a Nikon Eclipse E800 microscope and he saw a field of mold growth. There were growing on the surface of the bud-leaves and even on trichomes, much smaller than the trichomes. For privacy/security reason he did not want(ed) to take any pictures.

@mahps: The buds from JH are now in curing, the smoke report will come soon.

Yesterday uthenger visited again the spot#1 for watering the plants. There were no rains and the temperatures stays high at 33-35 Celsius degrees, and there is no hope for rain until next week.
he made two trips with water, in total 26 L for 7 holes, so each plant received about 3.7 L (almost 1 gallon) of rainwater from a pond in the forest road.
The freebies has not showed their sex yet, they have not grow to much, maybe because the lack of water (they were not showing any droppy leaves on visit), hopefully they will grow now until the next visit.
The NL's are flowering nicely, the budsites are filling in, there are high hopes for them.
Also at site#4 there are two Northern Lights Autos with water absorbing polymers in the prepared soil. These water crystals are not commercial ones, they are tiny yellow balls less than 1 mm in diameter used as desiccating agent in medical laboratory reagents. in pure water they swell up to a size of a small cherry seed. Uthenger witnessed, that the soil stay moist even 10 days after watering, and when he press the surface of the soil, feels like pressing a sponge. On the other sites uthenger only used premium potting soil mixed with native soil (50:45) and 5-7% of perlite, maybe less. Next year he will using these water absorbing polymers on every site/spot.
 
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uthenger

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UPDATE as for August 11

UPDATE as for August 11

Today uthenger had another visit to spot#1. He was there on 4th of August and watered the plants twice, then after two days there were one big rain gaining about 28 mm/more than an inch of rain.
Looks like the plant love the water and they in exchange are aiming to the sky.
Today while there, uthenger got wet because there was an isolated cloud that thankfully had his way right above the spot nr.1, the quantity was not amazing, but enough to clean the air and parfumate with geosmin.

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Freebie1 2 months ago on June 12 and now:
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uthenger

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Update August 11

Update August 11

None of the freebies has showed their sex, but some of them are showing pistillate preflowers, so on next visit could guess who's she and who's he (maybe none :)

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FR2 above

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FR4-5 above

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FR7 above
 
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uthenger

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As for 11 August

As for 11 August

the Northern light autos are flowering well, their are gaining weight fast despite being really small in stature, about 70 cm (2 1/3 foot) but with many side branches (and the top cola was trained low).

NL1

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slender

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damn nice ! next season, uthenger should use polysheeting with pretty well placed stakes to keep plants dry. doubt its of any issue wether they rain . shake shake
 

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