U.K cheese brightside cut ?

[AFGHANICA79]

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[AFGHANICA79]

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[hazyfontazy]

Grown in coco always got the flavours out... Not sure if the aniseed flavour is black hash flavour.. It always had hints of aniseed /black hash...
In coco it expressed flavours not known to full hydro or soil.. So much so people said our cheeze was not cheeze
Same thing happened with ecsd.. People couldn't believe the difference when grown in coco...hardened and seasoned soil and hydro growers converted to coco to achieve superior growth and taste

 

[englishrick]

Yes,,, best cheese I ever had was in coco and I never got it that good again,, if I didn't know it was the same clone because I put it there I might have questioned it's origin,,

I was one of them hydro guys who started using coco just to see if I got the same response,,,

Since then I'd love to test my new style nft feeding and lighting methods against a grower who can actually outperform my standard canna aqua method,,, nowadays I'd use loads of funky stuff,, I'm liking this remo stuff I'm testing atm,, the supercharge kitt I got given has some good biostims,, i also like the RAW stuff made by npk technology,, i still need to test some theory but I'd love to pitch it to one of them coco growers that brought out that gunky Berry I could never nail down in my old style hydro grows

 

[AFGHANICA79]

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[shishkaboy]

Isn't aniseed that black licorice type flavor?

Edit: Nevermind, didnt see the above post...

 

[GoatCheese]

The chiesel is by far the tastiest weed i have tried , aniseed/black liquorice/earth. That was big bhudda so since they didnt use his cheese cut and used brightsides the 2nd time around then bhuddas cut must be same as brightsides or its a recessive popping up

Be good to run same cut with coco v soil v hydro n check profiles. Black hash flavour aniseed points to hindu kush in my opinion , Even if this was an oldschool skunk before sweetness then wouldnt it be acrid burnt rubber rks afghani 1. I honestly dont think its straight skunk 1 as profile doesnt fit.

I had one pheno from GHS Exodus that had aniseed/black liquorice notes. ..it was shorter afghan leaning pheno.
The afghani Sam used in Skunk1 was from Mazar i Sharif, it was not Afghani#1 which originates around Kabul, iirc, so the from the other side of Hindu Kush range.


GHS Exodus really looks like a pure s1 line of Skunk1. Imo, it's not a skunk hybrid but pure skunk1

 

[AFGHANICA79]

I had one pheno from GHS Exodus that had aniseed/black liquorice notes. ..it was shorter afghan leaning pheno.
The afghani Sam used in Skunk1 was from Mazar i Sharif, it was not Afghani#1 which originates around Kabul, iirc, so the from the other side of Hindu Kush range.


GHS Exodus really looks like a pure s1 line of Skunk1. Imo, it's not a skunk hybrid but pure skunk1

The old rks skunk spray came from mazar/colombian x a gold that sam re bred to make it sweeter and got fruitier so this must be colombian double serration pheno with alot of mazar profile. Alot of hindu kush varieties have aniseed/earth profile so wasnt far off.

I guess old skunk lines really did produce aniseed phenos then. Rks maybe even be more influenced by a. Gold rather than mazar/colombian as no rks or a gold in cheeze as you can see colombian/afghan pure skunk 1 minus the a. Gold so maybe the newer version that sam created is a fruity cheeze minus old skool phenos of a gold and rks profiles. To take away rks skunk spray means taking away certain genes that were responsible . Early skunk 75% sativa with rks burnt rubber is all gone and went more afghan fruit.

I love fruity mazar its one of the most fruitiest afghans around.

The aniseed in cheeze is significant !

 

[GoatCheese]

According to Sam the RKS smell came from the Mazari


Here are few other quotes i have saved


[FONT=&quot]Q: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"sam...was the afghan or columbian you used really skunky as hell to begin with?"[/FONT]

The Afghan was.
-SamS

[FONT=&quot]Q: "From which region of Afghanistan did the 'Afghan' in 'Skunk #1' come from?"[/FONT]

Mazar, but then crossed with a Columbian, then selfed, then the hybrid crossed with Acapulco Gold to make it a bit earlier.
But to be honest in the same seed batch from Afghanistan you will find many phenos, remember they may have thousands of females that the seeds came from, as well as thousands of males hitting every one of the females, so that is a lot of possible combos.....

[...]
-SamS

[FONT=&quot]British_Hempire,
"By selfed do you mean you made feminised Mazar x Colombian seeds then crossed one of these females to an Acapulco male?"[/FONT]

No one made feminized seeds until after 1990, I selfed the MazarXColombian hybrids to other MazarXColombian hybrids. This was in the early 70's.

-SamS

[...]
I developed Skunk#1 in 75-76. -SamS
[...]
I got Afghan #1 from Mel Frank, it is not anything to do with sweet Skunk, it is a pure WLD Indica from Afghanistan. What male are you talking about? I used a Afghani X Colombian, then hit the female progeny with a Acapulco Gold male. So what Male?
-SamS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7496247&postcount=250

I developed some short-season varieties, like Durban Poison, which is still around today. Another was Afghani One, with seeds I got from Kabul that I didn’t have to do much with to get to grow well.

https://melmagazine.com/a-conversat...ers-who-s-still-tokin-even-after-a3de5e747d0b

 

[AFGHANICA79]

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[GoatCheese]

So he must have bred the rks mazari out of it , What afghan did he use to make sweeter/fruitier for holland.

There is no other afghani in Skunk1, just the Mazari. No offence, but i think you're over thinking this abit, mate.



You wrote yourself that you associate aniseed with Hindu Kush Afghan, but don't you know how close Balkh/Mazar i Sharif is to Hindu Kush ..not too far away. And Mazar/Balkh is a hash producing region so i doubt the Mazar variety is pure anymore or was even at the time when Sam went there. The area (may) have genetics from many parts of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan.


Perhaps you don't have a good understanding of how selective breeding works = When using landraces or modern polyhybrids, you'll get many different kinds of pheno/chemotypes; a wide range of terp profiles, THC/CBD ratios and size/looks etc. You'll likely see this if you grow a good number of seeds, say 100 or more. a ten pack may not show this so easily.
..So then it is quite easy to create different smelling/looking/smoking varieties from the same original hybrid that you wouldn't think have the same origin.


As an example Dj Short created many different lines from his original Affy/Thai/Mexi hybrid.


Sam even mentions it in one of those quotes how the Afghan landrace/cultivar had many different phenos.

Mazar, but then crossed with a Columbian, then selfed, then the hybrid crossed with Acapulco Gold to make it a bit earlier.
But to be honest in the same seed batch from Afghanistan you will find many phenos, remember they may have thousands of females that the seeds came from, as well as thousands of males hitting every one of the females, so that is a lot of possible combos.....

-SamS

Skunk 1 is Mazar i Sharif/Columbian/Mexican as Sam has said it over and over again. We should take his word as truth cause he's the man who created the line.
Peace.


PS.
People seem to hang on to the term "RKS/Road Kill Skunk" too much. I call UK Cheese as "Dutch Skunk"-skunky cause i have no idea how real skunk(animal) spray smells like. We don't have those in N. Europe.

 

[ojd]

Dutch skunk has been watered down so much it's nothing it used to be 20 plus years ago.
The first skunks we got when I was young 93 were so stinky it had to be double bagged in oven bags ,
Crazy smells
Even the original Cali orange was insane and stink so much of that Skunk funk no Orange.
Skunk has been remade or inbred so much it's nothing like it used to be.
You grow the a legit Cheese clone or hybrid and that the smell and wall penetrating funk is what we used to get 25 years ago. We used to still get the Original Cali Orange up until 2001 from a Birmingham crew and 1 guy used to sell it around London to High end clients and Music industry people.

Peace

 

[GoatCheese]

Yea, with Dutch Skunky i was referring to how coffee shops still smell in Adam, or atleast they did when i was there the last time in 2015. When you walked past most of the coffeeshops then they usually reeked like Cheese-skunky. And there was still fairly lot of Cheese/-hybrids on the menus.
Sure the seed lines are watered down like Shanti's stuff but you can still find the stinky stuff in coffee shops. And you can still find a little dutch skunky plants in lines that are based on Nevil's old skunky lines, thou they won't stink as loud as Cheese.

 

[englishrick]

Yeh,, mazar is definitely what makes Brightsides stand out,,, and I do see how aniseed is associated with cheese,, mazar hash balls are very aniseedish,,,, i did wonder what cheese x mazar would look like years ago,, i did a thread on it,, Sam had some listed at seedsman a few years back and I thought Brightsides cheese x mazar would possibly yeald some Brightside type cheese seeds

 

[AFGHANICA79]

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[englishrick]

Who's ready for a new thread?

Brightside2020?

 

[AFGHANICA79]

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[GoatCheese]

Ok sam selected more to the mazari fruity sweet afghan rather than rks phenos from the mazari(hindu kush region). There is alot of varience there and not every plant that comes from that region may hold aniseed profile and i didnt know because of rks in early skunk which sounded as if it was a popular pheno and how people remembered 70s skunk then my stupidity that i couldnt see that mazar was giving off rks/skunk/burnt rubber/aniseed/black liquorice/earth/berry fruit.

The breeding of skunk was superb but all i was questioning was if cheeze was pure sk 1 aniseed popping up and asking if in brightside so since s1s open up rather than give you a perfect brightside in seed form it may be a recessive trait.

Was the aniseed/black liquorice thats comes from the mazar end of the skunk 1 line a popular pheno late 80s or early 90s or was cheeze the standout one.

To me Sam's sweeter Skunk1 looks to have more mexi in it than the UK Cheese and the fruitiness could come from the Mexi side of things also ..but i'm no skunk1 expert


Yea, the liquorish/aniseed-y pheno in GHS Cheese wasn't "pure" anis like Pernod alchol, it started out like strawberry-ish, buttery, skunky thing and later it was like black liquorish with that aniseed-y note. I've had abit of those notes in few Cheese hybrids i've grown but i prolly wouldn't have noticed those so well if i hadn't grown this S1 pheno first.
It was the shortest of the 10 plants i grew and had a fairly poor root system and so was a real bitch to "flush", to get her yellowing, cause she couldn't handle watering in soil too well, or rather the container was too large for her root system.
..too bad i didn't take any photos of those.


I recommend to every Cheese head to grow GHS Exodus Cheese if those are still around. Thou i didn't find any real copy of the UK Cheese i've smoked in Adam, but i'd say it's defo S1 of the same plant. IT was still cool to see the recessive traits of UK Cheese and how it breaks out those traits and phenos

Like i wrote earlier, i'd say it's Afghan/Columbian-hybrid mainly and you can find different kinds of expressions of those genetics in those seeds. Some was strawberry-ish, some had little gummy bear/rubbery notes, some were nutty sativa leaning kind, some had dried flowers/red wine notes and the one that was closest to the Adam UK Cheese had black currant-y berry thing going on. Every plant was atleast somewhat Cheese-y and skunky, some more than others.

The seeds aren't too expensive if they're still being sold. I saw them on discount many times when i bought mine (10 seeds for around 35-40 euros), so grow some if you want to see the recessive traits of UK Cheese. I still have 15-20 of those seeds left and i will take another look when i can.


Enjoy the 2020, my friends! ..the year and the clone!

 

[ValleyHill]

Who's ready for a new thread?

Brightside2020?

Is there any reason why you would want to start a new thread with the above title. I think I must not be following or I've missed something along the way
Vh

 

[englishrick]

I've started sorting through the suspected Brightside clones myself and I was planning on doing a new thread,, some new people have said to me that they find this thread overwhelming,, condensing the information that stands out in this thread is key to locking down cheese and Brightsides cut once and for all ,,, hopefully we can start the new year on a new footing and il go through the cuts one by one till I find it myself,, I've started building data on this clone and I think it deserves a thread,, but I'd love to see all the pictures from this thread and details condensed and re presented