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U.K cheese brightside cut ?
- Thread starter Cheesegez
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ValleyHill
Anyone ever considered that they are all the same cutting & that some of your grow it badly some grow it well. Some of you don't allow maximum stink due to the grow methodology & some just don't have the ability to get to a level of overall health to make accurate analysis of the cultivar.. Birds cheese, windows cheese, Jah's cheese, Cannabliss Cheese, Ricks cheese, Brightside cheese, suicide & the SOT are all the same cutting. I can see it.. I can see what you are all doing with it, good & bad..
Youve always got alot to say yet very little to show
Yes i did consider they could all be the same, thats why i grew them all out together, at the same time, in the same tent, in the same media, all fed the same.
Forget the smell, how else do you explain the visible differences in them regrading structure etc when growing?
Enlighten us all Dave, where have we been going wrong?
Why dont you show us all how to do it correctly.
BTW Dave ive got no problem taking constructive criticism and will put my hands up i aint the best grower out here and have never claimed to be.
However its statements that you post, such as the following, that makes everyone thing your a knob
What the fucks the point of posting to say we are all doing it wrong yet you dont explain your reasoning and professional opinion of why and where we are going wrong?
I can see your a very knowledgeable person, especially with regards to plant science etc but sometimes i really struggle to figure out if youve got some personality issues when dealing / talking with people or if you are just the ultimate troll.
However its statements that you post, such as the following, that makes everyone thing your a knob
What the fucks the point of posting to say we are all doing it wrong yet you dont explain your reasoning and professional opinion of why and where we are going wrong?
I can see your a very knowledgeable person, especially with regards to plant science etc but sometimes i really struggle to figure out if youve got some personality issues when dealing / talking with people or if you are just the ultimate troll.
I see the same phyllotaxy with slight environmental differences. Have you got a pic of them all grow side by side to show me?. I see Different cuts such as the NL BB or the Nelly sometimes I'm not criticising you I am just saying what I see..
I find it funny folks discussing cheese in this detail It's hilarious after all this time
Think what you like Blazee..
I find it funny folks discussing cheese in this detail It's hilarious after all this time
Think what you like Blazee..
The trait that I think was most familiar with the real deal cut was it's inherent ability to hold back on pistil formation, it would have the distinctive calyx formation with not much in the way of pistil production & it would form dense clusters of calyx with really short white fading to orange/brown pistils.. I like that trait.. Fur-balls are overrated
I see the same phyllotaxy with slight environmental differences. Have you got a pic of them all grow side by side to show me?. I see Different cuts such as the NL BB or the Nelly sometimes I'm not criticising you I am just saying what I see..
I find it funny folks discussing cheese in this detail It's hilarious after all this time
Think what you like Blazee..
Yes as i said on the previous page, all the cuts do have a similiar growth pattern and structure, the way the branching is etc in veg.
However once i hit flower there were clear differences in bud structure and smell.
I Have posted pics of them all in this thread, you can use the search function to see them. Or you may have seen them if you were following along but i can post them again shortly.
The reason we are discussing this in such great detail, is to try and figure out what is actually what. Most of these cuts other than the suicide have been sourced offline, so there is a strong possibility some of these could be cheese crosses such as the nelly etc
The reason folks are going in to great detail is to help document what we are working with. As there are many others offline who also have cuts they cherish yet dont have pics to compare to to figure out what they have etc.
For example i have a cut i sourced offline in birmingham and the fellas i got her from can trace her back to the mid 2000's. Cheesegez grew my cut out along with a clone he had recieved from a member in the EU. The cut he got sent from the EU person has obviously been wide spread across there as i have seen a couple others growing her, so we can start to trace things.
Cheesegez grew out both my cut and the one from the EU and posted the pics and they were identical, there was no question about it, if anyone is curious i will dig the post up.
I strongly suspect the cut Spaventa has recieved will be the same as the one cheesegez recieved from the EU member.
Once we have the pics we can collectively form an opinion, and document things.
Granted we are making no progress to finding the brightside cut, but we are narrowing things down by being able to exclude things or know what is the same for sure.
So im glad to hear you think documentation of these cheese cuts is hilarious.
It also gives everyone the chance to see how much of an effect environmental factors play, when different growers grow the same cut.
Heres a side by side in veg, check this post
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8265186&postcount=3721
Side by side in flower
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=8334765#post8334765
And heres a side by side of the suicide cut grown by my mate, and birdmans cut. You may see some similarities but i assure you they aint the same. You could tell from the look and smell, its hard as the pics dont capture stuff like the ability to smell them once your in the room etc. The suicide was clearly more pungent when growing and dry, not just that but as i said previously birdies cut smelt like it was lacking something in comparison, and im not on about the strength of the smell.
Suicide cut
Birdmans cut
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8265186&postcount=3721
Side by side in flower
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=8334765#post8334765
And heres a side by side of the suicide cut grown by my mate, and birdmans cut. You may see some similarities but i assure you they aint the same. You could tell from the look and smell, its hard as the pics dont capture stuff like the ability to smell them once your in the room etc. The suicide was clearly more pungent when growing and dry, not just that but as i said previously birdies cut smelt like it was lacking something in comparison, and im not on about the strength of the smell.
Suicide cut
Birdmans cut
Well said blazee,, nice work bro
Side by sides are good but even then they’re not definitive. If I run a monocrop some of the plants come out different to others, ie some will look dark green and almost overfed whereas some have lighter leaves..
To be honest I don't see the cut I had in any of those veg pics. Perhaps the B. Cheese is most similar. I do recognise the 2 pics in flower as the Psychosis & the Psychoberry tho I think.. I didn't grow the psychoberry much but that is what I seen for 10 years when I watered them almost daily..
They are plants that I have grown but under different nicknames now..
This is the Cheese that won the UK's 1st ever cannabis cup, the actual plant..
As you can see this has different leaf & growth to all of those in your comparison pic..
Sorry but I don't think you have or had the real deal yet
They are plants that I have grown but under different nicknames now..
This is the Cheese that won the UK's 1st ever cannabis cup, the actual plant..
As you can see this has different leaf & growth to all of those in your comparison pic..
Sorry but I don't think you have or had the real deal yet
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ValleyHill
Yes got to agree 100% with what Blazeee is saying
Anyone who's grown the different cuts knows that it ain't genetic drift or prolonged environment factors
That have caused these cuts to change to that extent. Same or very similar genetics. yes .but definitely not the same cut.
Blazeee when you did the side by side. if you could only keep one which one is it
Atb vh
Vally Hill. It's actually called soma clonal variation. There is no genetic drift in cultivars just in varieties.. Yeah your right about G+E=P.. There is no soma clonal variation in the different cultivars, in the cheese that has been about forever it has maternal influence & that can be present for over 7-8 generations of cuttings.. So until you have had them under the same production methodology for years & years in the same media then your side by sides are moot..
I grew em in Veg for 10 year & flower side by side
I grew em in Veg for 10 year & flower side by side
Somaclonal variation is only associated with plants propagated from plant tissue culture. Since it's blatantly obvious that the cuttings in question haven't been born of tissue culture then it's absolutely irrelevant to even use that word.
You've just said cheese has maternal influence - what the fuck are you talking about? You have no idea what the traits are of the P1 mother since you didn't breed the cultivar.
Dave, please don't clog up this thread with over complication just because you want to sound cool. There is definitely value in what some here are trying to achieve. It isn't 'moot' at all.. Why not just see it as a comparison with investigation into the variance of a cultivar(s) within a similar terp signature.
I for one enjoy this thread for what it is.
Please don't push your own agenda on something that doesn't need it.
You've just said cheese has maternal influence - what the fuck are you talking about? You have no idea what the traits are of the P1 mother since you didn't breed the cultivar.
Dave, please don't clog up this thread with over complication just because you want to sound cool. There is definitely value in what some here are trying to achieve. It isn't 'moot' at all.. Why not just see it as a comparison with investigation into the variance of a cultivar(s) within a similar terp signature.
I for one enjoy this thread for what it is.
Please don't push your own agenda on something that doesn't need it.
I don’t know about brightsides cut, that’s Ricks department. I hope it’s the one cheesegez and I remember. Maybe we will discover they are one and the same when they have given their verdicts.
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ValleyHill
If you read about the influences off the soma clonal variation you will further understand the principles of the variation raised from the callus material & all forms of tissue culture..
I feel you have misunderstood what you have read about Kali..
I'm not pushing an agenda just putting the information out there..
Hope this helps
Maternal influence would be for example a mother plant that has been fed a veg feed that actually reduces rooting auxins in the plant tissue making clones take forever to root.. The plant tissue that responds to auxin is greater than that that produces it.. This is how that maternal influence would effect the mitosis derived tissue & not the crosses made by meiosis
It's blatantly obvious that all clones are tissue culture & they was bourn from various different tissues.. I find your lack of logic disturbing... These
Also the plants borne as a different variety will be different genetically or not just clonaly
No, somaclonal variation is only seen in vitro/cell culture and their resulting plants. It would be very very difficult to produce the type of variance you're talking about in a grow room even after a decade. The rooting of each cutting, as well as the veg feed for the mother, would have to be identical (and I mean exactly, not one drop more or less) for that period of time for any change to take place. Also, the variance is sometimes only seen in one part of the plant, not all over.
No, all clones/cuttings are not 'tissue culture' as per the terminology you are using. Yes, they are 'tissue' but clones do not need 'culture' - as per the definition - in order to grow.
No amount theorising about plant hormones, cell division and whether or not certain feeds have had an impact on the 'maternal side' will bring anyone here closer to an answer.
You're posting garbage that has no relevance to your audience.
Please stop over complicating matters..
Rant over, won't post again. Sorry to all.
