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Mate Dave

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You can see the pic's of Edd in the greenhouses pre 90's 88 89 with him stood looking @ what can only be described as a very "Cheese" looking columbian type Skunk bush. Leaf structure colour & branching looking like what we have come to know. Erratic branching & non symmetry type growth. Very famous picture.

Back in the early 80's my elders were growing it was all mostly outdoor. The indoor culture started as the genetics became widely available & the shady ass kit was developed.

There was nothing they found that worth keeping as cuttings back then as folks bred properly.

Untill Nev started up there was not much seed availability or variety to the masses you had to litrally go collect it & breed it.

There would have been the first cannabis cup in 84 85 etc but there wasn't or you would have been there.
 
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I think what were looking for is the initial A Gold x with the Mazar from Sandy Weinstein's pictures in the Skunk thread.

That A gold was the hybrid used in the cross supposedly & it has the cheese phenotype what is what we're proimarily looking for. The real F1's .
A Gold was already hybridised & stabilised to current climatic conditions so it says.

Your right in that it's likely C Gold genes but it was already worked on by the time it was pollinated by an Afghan. Many likes of 1-1 would have been made & sold as skunk but not from this cross. What Sam calles his skunk. I suspect this is one of the clones Sam used & keeps to this day & is patented.


He made the reciprocal labled skunk x both ways, this is how we know it was the Afghan that was skunky as hell Kopite
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was an Afghan/Columbian Gold X Acapulco Gold. This is well known.

-SamS

sam...was the afghan or columbian you used really skunky as hell to begin with?

peace



The Afghan was.
-SamS

Of course CHEESE is close, it was bred by me, named by others, it was Skunk #1 seeds that grew CHEESE.

-SamS


Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
Wrong, Skunk #1 was the first version and it was skunky as hell. I bred through selections of skunk #1 and reproduced the sweeter seeds and later the sweeter and higher clones, maybe not more stoney or skunky. I selected for what I liked as well as against the skunky smell that caused problems for growers, it was illegal and just to stinky to manage safely. I called all versions Skunk #1 they were all from the same genepool Afghan / Colombian X Acapulco Gold, just selected for different end goals. I never called any Skunk #1 RKS that name popped up long after Skunk #1 was introduced in 1976 (people did say it smelled like a dead run over skunk near a grow).

THERE WERE NO FOUNDING MEMBERS OF SACRED SEEDS, JUST ME!
And I have never met any Sandy Wienstien, ever.
Early Girl was not bred by Sandy Wienstien, and Durban Poison South Arican was developed by me alone, then I took it to Amsterdam. The same with Afghani #1, me alone. And I made up using #1, #2, #3, as I had so many imported seed lines I did not name them until I used them to make seeds, instead of just trialing them.

From SamS's posts its Afghan / Colombian X Acapulco Gold, or you saying it's a different cross?
 
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kopite

i first went in 84/85 and i was sure skunk weren't on menus then ,,plenty of foreign weed and outdoor dutch called purple sensi etc ,,eds tech taking off :)

I edited my post, seems it would of been after 85, that's when Ed got it according to SamS
 

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He did the cross both ways Kopite..

I assume that the move to Acapulco with the genetics was to allow the Afghan to grow. To allow that initial cross to be made & homogenise flowertimes..

I'll ask him when he comes back online.

We should ask direct if "Afghan / Colombian X Acapulco Gold" was the only way it was made or if the way he has wrote the genetics involved in that cross were for ease. & in what order they were individually created & established & why that was so.

He has collated his seeds as he says in the Ancestral skunk thread so we should have some dates to these different lots available.
 
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kopite

He did the cross both ways Kopite..

I assume that the move to Acapulco with the genetics was to allow the Afghan to grow. To allow that initial cross to be made & homogenise flowertimes..

I'll ask him when he comes back online.

We should ask direct if "Afghan / Colombian X Acapulco Gold" was the only way it was made or if the way he has wrote the genetics involved in that cross were for ease. & in what order they were individually created & established & why that was so.

He has collated his seeds as he says in the Ancestral skunk thread so we should have some dates to these different lots available.


Almost correct, (Colombian x Mazar) x (Mazar x Colombian) and the result (Colombian/MazarXMazar/Colombian)square x Acapulco gold.

-SamS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=85992&page=22

He put that as skunk.
 

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I know what it is. I wan't the one being corrected.

or 1/2 right.


Seems you have found the post or the thread where you find out that there was more then one side to skunk. Skunk & skunk.

Depends what side of the bed Sam was out of that morning as to what breeds were skunk & skunk.

Like he says the Ancestral are skunk but I do not see that lineage in those seeds kopite.

This Sandy Weinsten thing i've read before. It not likely he used that plant but was it that pedigree? Selection & year?

I've lots of stuff I need to ask

So I assume that that plant was of the same sort of lineage as that used in the final part of the puzzle you just presented..


Who got what part of which side where & when. That is a question..

Another good question would be the lineage of the Acapulco used. See how that one spins
 

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He did the cross both ways Kopite..

I assume that the move to Acapulco with the genetics was to allow the Afghan to grow. To allow that initial cross to be made & homogenise flowertimes..

I'll ask him when he comes back online.

We should ask direct if "Afghan / Colombian X Acapulco Gold" was the only way it was made or if the way he has wrote the genetics involved in that cross were for ease. & in what order they were individually created & established & why that was so.

He has collated his seeds as he says in the Ancestral skunk thread so we should have some dates to these different lots available.
Maybe we should stop bothering Sam about his Skunk-line and just be satisfied what he has said about it many, many times already. There's plenty of info out there, like in those quotes Kopite posted above.

Original Skunk make-up is Afghan-Colombian hybrid pollinated with a Mexican plant. He has stated this many times and has even explained how the Afghan-Colombian hybrid was inbread few times before the Mexican was introduced to the mix.

Try to get that thru your heads. This is not quantum physics.

Speculate less (= cut the horseshit) and spend more time actually trying to understand what people have said already.
Peace:)
 

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Who's bothering Sam? Maybe if the was some straight line & not all the 1/2 truths shit wouldn't backfire
What "half truths", Dave?
Sam has stated that originally Afghan and Colombian plants were crossed, then that hybrid was inbred a little; then a Mexican male pollinated the Afghan/Colombo-hybrid plant(s).
Sam has very openly told how the basics went, that really isn't just "half truths", Dave.


Yap,yap,yap,yap..
Dave, you like to gossip and speculate like a bunch of old ladies ...yea, a group of old ladies :biggrin:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8154511&postcount=475


 

Mate Dave

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It would be clear cut if there was evidence for him to back up such bold claims. Maybe a thesis on what happened in his own words like a thread rather than lil snippits here & there would set the record straight if he can remember.
 
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It would be clear cut if there was evidence for him to back up such bold claims. Maybe a thesis on what happened in his own words like a thread rather than lil snippits here & there would set the record straight if he can remember.

It would seem it's you with the memory issue not him!, like GC states it has been posted time and time again from SamS yet it seems people choose to believe otherwise. Post 303....

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=317501&page=31
 

Mate Dave

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It would seem it's you with the memory issue not him!, like GC states it has been posted time and time again from SamS yet it seems people choose to believe otherwise. Post 303....

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=317501&page=31

I'm interested in the science behind his decisions. He's not very expressive since he boasts as much as he does Not like others.

I read loads on the Skunkman & I am not dissing him i'm just curious as to the outcomes & statistics @ each stage of the breed.

Basically Why..

A breeding goal.

I've never seen him openly say what the goal of the Breed was. There has been folks suggest that it was a collective effort but Sam denies this..

I've read all that and need more..
 

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I'm interested in the science behind his decisions. He's not very expressive since he boasts as much as he does Not like others.

I read loads on the Skunkman & I am not dissing him i'm just curious as to the outcomes & statistics @ each stage of the breed.

Basically Why..

A breeding goal.

I've never seen him openly say what the goal of the Breed was. There has been folks suggest that it was a collective effort but Sam denies this..

I've read all that and need more..

dave i think it was more hope than goals ,,
 

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just walked past local shops ,it reeked of cheese ,suicide cut i think

The last time I smelt genuine cheese pong, it was a coupe of fellas walking me past smoking some. It was about 2007 on Market Street Watford. It was starting to dry up and I was into my Hazes by then.
 
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