Trump threatens medical cannabis

[Jhhnn]

So then I assume you have no compassion for those who were raised, and live in the inner cities?since they should have moved to a better area with more emplyment opportunities. The above statement comes of as extremely elitist.

Both sets of people live in places that migratory Capitalism left behind.

The people who live there? Dumped. Forgotten. No profit in 'em. The job creators have no use for 'em.

I think Ready4's remarks are too harsh but I also think conservatives have a double standard in the way they judge rural vs urban poor. They'll hop right up on their "personal responsibility" high horse in one circumstance but not the other.

 

[packerfan79]

Both sets of people live in places that migratory Capitalism left behind.

The people who live there? Dumped. Forgotten. No profit in 'em. The job creators have no use for 'em.

I think Ready4's remarks are too harsh but I also think conservatives have a double standard in the way they judge rural vs urban poor. They'll hop right up on their "personal responsibility" high horse in one circumstance but not the other.

In a way I agree with you jhhnn. Their may be a different way at looking at urban, and rural poor. The problem with that theory is their seems to be cultural differences. Urban poor have high crime rates, high abortion rates, High lively hood of fatherless homes , gang activity. I am sure their are plenty of examples of the same with the rural poor, but not at a similar statistical level. Also inner cities have been consistently Democrat ruled

 

[Brother Nature]

Damn, always like catching up with this thread. Everyday is something new and exciting.

From my experience 'urban poor' tend to be minorities and 'rural poor' don't. Perhaps that's where the difference lies in most peoples minds? I think there are much larger issues at play here than simple cultural differences.

In terms of of all the leaks, I don't believe it's the right thing to do. Transparency is desired is some situations but not all, least of all in dealings most civilians couldn't ever comprehend. I'd be very surprised if Putin dealt directly with Trump in terms of the election. I'd almost be disappointed as well, it'd be a rookie move in the political chess game.

I think Russian involvement was to accomplish exactly what's happening in America right now, to distract the US with internal conflict, to divide the united. Any fighter worth their weight knows wars is not won on the battlefield and an unstable opponent is the easiest to beat, and regardless of what you think of the man Putin is a fighter.

The public healthcare debate is an odd one to see from outside the US. I live in a country where healthcare is publicly funded, and while its a very socialist concept, it works very well here. In fact, I had a terrible motorcycle accident 2 years ago and would not be here typing to you if it were not for our healthcare system. I don't know if I could say the same for how I remember the US system working (It's been a decade since I've lived stateside). In saying that I'm not in support of Obama care, I know little about it and have heard arguments I can agree with from both sides, but am just trying to point out a public healthcare system is not all that bad if operated correctly.

Anyways, nice to see the mods allowing this to stay up, even though it requires a bit of cleaning from time to time, it's nice to have this sort of discourse, complete with civil disagreements and all.

Peace out homies, smoke on, RIP Gregg Allman, keep it green, all that shit.

 

[topheavy420]

LOL You could not have been any more incorrect in your "analysis" of me. Your highly flawed perception is the problem.
"Elitist" ??? Just you, having no facts & nothing to offer as far as an adult discussion, calling out a meaningless little name that does not apply to me in the very least.
If you were paying attention during the election, you would have seen the stories in the press and on TV, interviewing people in Rural America as to why they were going to vote for Donald Trump. They told their stories, how the "American Dream" had passed them by, etc. There were stories, a few in Michigan's Upper Peninsula for example, of the "hardship" these people were dealing with. Almost none of them looked as if they had ever actually tried to find work in years. And yes, them living where there have been very, very few jobs or opportunities in decades,
did not elicit any sympathy from me and never will. The vast majority of people on the government dole in the USA, live in Rural America. ( not referring to ANY people who are on genuine disability)
Not dealing with the reality of their lack of employment opportunities now or at any time helps nobody. Making excuses for them just makes you an enabler. Nothing wrong in the least in living in Rural America, if you are able to be self-sufficient and make a living.
I am not "belittling" them, just stating the facts regarding the certain reality of their situation.

You & the rest of the Trump supporters just are not able to deal with reality. I can prove you cannot.
You support Donald Trump, a man who wants to take away everything you own and throw all of you in prison for years for simply growing a little MJ.
You don't believe this ??
Your hero, Donald Trump, praises President Duterte who supports killing us all and is murdering his own own countryman for marijuana.
Donald Trump praised and supports this vile murderer Duterte, who also "joked" that soldiers should be able to rape women.

If Donald Trump had somehow been elected as a Democrat, it is a guarantee you would be on here ripping him to shreds.
And, for once, you would be correct.

You put alot of context in your text and i appreciate that. However it still remains that "progressive" idealogical wars are ineffective to liberty. Trump baits, trolls and humiliates the media with their unnamed sources. A president in direct war with the media. I love it!


You will not win the idealogical war as generation Z is upon you!

 

[Genghis Kush]

"progressive" idealogical wars are ineffective to liberty"

what does that mean?

--
The biggest terrorist threat to the US is the Trump administration.

The health of millions of Americans is at stake and the threat is not coming from an outside source.

Millions of Americans that cant afford health insurance are living in fear of what Trump and his vicious minions are going to do to them.

That is true terrorism.

Strange that people see the government as responsible for the security of the people but only if it means bombing people.

 

[Jhhnn]

You put alot of context in your text and i appreciate that. However it still remains that "progressive" idealogical wars are ineffective to liberty. Trump baits, trolls and humiliates the media with their unnamed sources. A president in direct war with the media. I love it!


You will not win the idealogical war as generation Z is upon you!

There are no solutions in trollery no matter the amusement value that the alt-right finds in it.

 

[gaiusmarius]

really? Trump is the biggest terror threat to the US? the biggest? seems a bit extreme to me, in fact it's a statement which will piss people off and it's not even true. this is exactly the kind of provocative stuff that destroys the tone of the discussion and doesn't add anything to the discussion either, it's pure partisan provocation.

the trouble with health care in the US is that it's big business, huge beurocrasy all earning top dollar while not actively involved in actual health care provision. the US spend 4 times as much on health care per person as some so called communist euro countries. if healthcare wasn't run in such a wasteful way, it could be given to everyone without even spending more money. but you need to accept the 1 provider system. profit shouldn't be the main aim of health care provision. where i live everyone automatically has health care, if you don't make enough to pay the monthly dues, the gov steps in and helps. in the end this comes cheaper then treating people in the emergency situations they will end up in if they can't get normal health care.

health insurance providers in the US need a good kicking, either they stop ripping people off and being greedy motherfuckers, or the gov should step in with a single provider system run by the private sector, but all their books have to be open to the public. that and the pill pushers also need to be reined in, they are busy ripping off US citizens with prices from 2 times to 10 times higher for meds then in Canada for example. totally crazy.

 

[packerfan79]

"progressive" idealogical wars are ineffective to liberty"

what does that mean?

--
The biggest terrorist threat to the US is the Trump administration.

The health of millions of Americans is at stake and the threat is not coming from an outside source.

Millions of Americans that cant afford health insurance are living in fear of what Trump and his vicious minions are going to do to them.

That is true terrorism.

Strange that people see the government as responsible for the security of the people but only if it means bombing people.

So Trump responding to the media that is 90 plus percent negative about him. While also being proven wrong the majority of the time. This a greater threat than a religion that requires you to kill nonbelievers. A religion where the moderates support the murder of gays, women aren't allowed to drive, or go to school. That's quite a stretch of the imagination.

How do you think the parents of the victims in Manchester would feel about that?

Trump seeks to protect all Americans, from this vile ideology. Even moderates openly call for the extermination of the Jewish people. So genocide is perfectly ok but pissing off the biased press is more dangerous. the media in most countries would be locked up, or worse if they made the baseless allegations against there President, that the American media has. Go to IRAN , or Saudi Arabia, or most countries in Europe, the press would never even hint at criticism of the Muslim religion. They would be killed. So, death to innocent children is better than, a President who doesn't take the media's bullshit, biased reporting lying down .so a lack of socialized healthcare is more dangerous than bombs.well I guess it's good that we know where you stand, firmly on the side of crazed jihadis.

Political correctness has now aided in the spread of Terrorism worldwide . Political correctness has now cost innocent children their lives, nice this is just one failure of the progressive agenda. There are many other failures but this failure has literally cost innocent children their lives.

You are completely delusional, and your delusions have real world consequences. Innocent people lose their lives due to the delusions you are spreading.

 

[Genghis Kush]

No, that is the truth.

And I am far from partisan.

Why dont you explain to me how threatening to take away peoples health care is not creating terror?

 

[Genghis Kush]

So Trump responding to the media that is 90 plus percent negative about him. While also being proven wrong the majority of the time. This a greater threat than a religion that requires you to kill nonbelievers. A religion where the moderates support the murder of gays, women aren't allowed to drive, or go to school. That's quite a stretch of the imagination.

How do you think the parents of the victims in Manchester would feel about that?

Trump seeks to protect all Americans, from this vile ideology. Even moderates openly call for the extermination of the Jewish people. So genocide is perfectly ok but pissing off the biased press is more dangerous. the media in most countries would be locked up, or worse if they made the baseless allegations against there President, that the American media has. Go to IRAN , or Saudi Arabia, or most countries in Europe, the press would never even hint at criticism of the Muslim religion. They would be killed. So, death to innocent children is better than, a President who doesn't take the media's bullshit, biased reporting lying down .so a lack of socialized healthcare is more dangerous than bombs.well I guess it's good that we know where you stand, firmly on the side of crazed jihadis.

Political correctness has now aided in the spread of Terrorism worldwide . Political correctness has now cost innocent children their lives, nice this is just one failure of the progressive agenda. There are many other failures but this failure has literally cost innocent children their lives.

You are completely delusional, and your delusions have real world consequences. Innocent people lose their lives due to the delusions you are spreading.

delusional?
Your people are more scared of the Muslim bogey man than you are of a person who is directly threatening the health of american children.

How many people do you think will suffer and die without health insurance?

 

[gaiusmarius]

i see you are insisting on turning this from a discussion to a argument. don't blame me when an admin comes in and bins the whole thread.

words have clear meaning, it's very dangerous to change their meanings just to make your point. terrorism is terrorism, health care is health care. not giving away health care is not giving away health care. look up the word terrorism. see, not at all the same thing.

 

[packerfan79]

Also under Obama care, a large portion of the middle class effectively has no access to healthcare, even though a large chunk of their income goes to insurance they can't use, with 12,000 dollar deductible. Oh and if you don't have it you get fined. The astronomical price of their insurance is going to subsidize low income "free insurance ." So the middle class gets no usable insurance but gets the honor of forcibly subsidizing low income insurance.

This is another failure of the progressive agenda and the Obama administration. They are many but this one literally cost innocent people their lives. How can people who claim to be compassionate people be ok with, all the lives that are lost directly to progressive ideals. Apparently the propaganda the media spreads is quite effective.

 

[packerfan79]

i see you are insisting on turning this from a discussion to a argument. don't blame me when an admin comes in and bins the whole thread.

words have clear meaning, it's very dangerous to change their meanings just to make your point. terrorism is terrorism, health care is health care. not giving away health care is not giving away health care. look up the word terrorism. see, not at all the same thing.

Your correct , gaiusmarius, I will keep it on topic. Thanks for trying to keep things civil.

 

[Genghis Kush]

i see you are insisting on turning this from a discussion to a argument. don't blame me when an admin comes in and bins the whole thread.

words have clear meaning, it's very dangerous to change their meanings just to make your point. terrorism is terrorism, health care is health care. not giving away health care is not giving away health care. look up the word terrorism. see, not at all the same thing.

Taking away someones health care is extremely frightening for them.


Definition of terror
1
: a state of intense fear
2
a : one that inspires fear : scourge
b : a frightening aspect
c : a cause of anxiety : worry


If you inspire terror in people by threatening to take away their health care than you are terrorizing them:


Definition of terrorize
terrorized; terrorizing
transitive verb
1
: to fill with terror or anxiety : scare


If you are terrorizing people than you area terrorist.
In my mind this is a discussion not an argument.
Sorry that my opinion pisses you of.

I think that everyone should have health insurance and we should take from the military budget to pay for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

In a way I agree with you jhhnn. Their may be a different way at looking at urban, and rural poor. The problem with that theory is their seems to be cultural differences. Urban poor have high crime rates, high abortion rates, High lively hood of fatherless homes , gang activity. I am sure their are plenty of examples of the same with the rural poor, but not at a similar statistical level. Also inner cities have been consistently Democrat ruled

You miss the point. In all instances in this country poverty is the result of greed at the top. Conservative ideology enables it entirely. It's freedom for them & freedumb for the rest of us.

 

[gaiusmarius]

GK loves changing the meaning of things to further his own viewpoint.

what ever man, call it terrorism if you want. to me and most people, the word has a different meaning. it's about trying to achieve political change by spreading terror among the public through "violence". i think thats the meaning most people learn.

with your way of using the word, i could say it's terrorism not to feed everyone in the world, while i agree it's evil, we should feed everyone, i don't call it terror when it's not done. same with homeless, not giving them houses is terrorism too i guess. maybe charity should be included? don't want to feed and clothe the naked and hungry, well your a terrorist, they might get sick and die. where do you draw the line between terrorism and being a greedy fuck? terrorism isa crime, being a greedy fuck isn't. big difference.

 

[brown_thumb]

It'll be a wonderful day when/if I can legally grow my own medicine. I refuse to take L-dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors because they confuse the brain into producing even less of them naturally.

Cannabis is far better because it causes the brain to produce more on it's own.

I'm taking a serious chance the way things are now but I really have no other choice.

So here's hoping for legalization or at least decriminalization.

 

[Genghis Kush]

The points you made where so easy to counter that im going to spare everyone and not bother.

But, what else do you think that I have changed the meaning of Gaius?

You throw out a lot of accusations for a mod.

didnt you call me immoral in a post in another thread?


You addressed the group to accuse me of something, are you looking for people to join in?

 

[Genghis Kush]

It'll be a wonderful day when/if I can legally grow my own medicine. I refuse to take L-dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors because they confuse the brain into producing even less of them naturally.

Cannabis is far better because it causes the brain to produce more on it's own.

I'm taking a serious chance the way things are now but I really have no other choice.

any chance where you live will legalize soon?

 

[brown_thumb]

Not likely...