Trump threatens medical cannabis

[Crusader Rabbit]

Congress could still change cannabis laws

Congress could still change cannabis laws

Republican Representative Thomas Garrett is still pushing the "Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act" to change federal law and permit the states to decide themselves how they will regulate cannabis. The bill has 11 co-sponsors. Garrett himself was once a prosecutor in Virginia where he grew tired of "creating criminals out of people who otherwise follow the law."

http://thehill.com/regulation/333922-lawmakers-renew-push-to-end-federal-ban-on-marijuana

This non-biased news article provides nothing new, but The Hill is a conservative leaning news source. Cannabis is no longer about keeping down the "dirty f**king hippies". Jeff Sessions is a dinosaur in this regard. There's lots of money to be made locking people up, but there's lots to be made with legal cannabis. Big Pharma and Big Tobacco want their share of the pie.

Maybe things have gone too far to turn back the clock? Maybe the chaos in Washington will upset political alignments enough that members of Congress will decide it's in their interest to vote for change. Time will tell.

In the meantime, I'm still keeping my head down.

 

[Tudo]

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/trump-threatens-defy-congress-go-after-medical-marijuana

Great, just what we need...So much for states rights...

States rights? I believe they were dissolved/crushed back in 1861? A fine president named Lincoln saw fit to bastardize the Constitution and thereby consolidate power in the federal government, by the murder of over 600,000 Americans. You mean THOSE "states rights'?

 

[brown_thumb]

States rights? I believe they were dissolved/crushed back in 1861? A fine president named Lincoln saw fit to bastardize the Constitution and thereby consolidate power in the federal government, by the murder of over 600,000 Americans. You mean THOSE "states rights'?

You mean Lincoln imposed one evil to kill a far worse evil? Yes he did... and it was a damned difficult choice.

 

[resin_lung]

By the tone of your posts and your ham fisted 'moderation' I assumed you were a trump supporter.

I would like to go on record....I believe gaiusmarius is far from "ham fisted". He has been more than chill when dealing with me personally. The fact that this thread is still open should go to show. I still think it's good that it's open and appreciate his open mindedness.

So what if he is a Trump supporter? I don't know if he is or not, but why would it matter? I'm not a Trump fan at all but like I said earlier in this thread, this is way past politics. Even if it gets politicized! Nobody on the either side should be wishing this on America. On the world.

 

[resin_lung]

You mean Lincoln imposed one evil to kill a far worse evil? Yes he did... and it was a damned difficult choice.

I'm outta rep brown thumb.

 

[oldchuck]

I appreciate Gaius's attention to crude trolling. I run across all too much of it other places. A reasonable conversation is always possible without all the mud throwing. Thanks for keeping the thread open.

Don't much appreciate Tudo's defense of the Confederacy although I see something similar building up now.

 

[Jhhnn]

We're mostly doing fine so far, I think. If Gaius feels the need to delete anything I offer, I apologize in advance.

As others have offered, I think the turmoil over the Trump Admin effectively paralyzes them in a lot of ways. That's really a good thing for us, because we're winning & we'll keep on winning doing just what we're doing.

I'm hoping it paralyzes our Repub congress, as well, because they're ideologically committed to doing a lot of not nice things to a lot of people who deserve better. Their insanely greedy billionaire backers are flogging them for tax cuts & they have to beat the cash out of the programs that help the most vulnerable among us to do that.

A horrifying joke that really isn't a joke at all-

http://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/195148_600.jpg?w=600

 

[Tudo]

You mean Lincoln imposed one evil to kill a far worse evil? Yes he did... and it was a damned difficult choice.

lincolns decision to mass murder Americans had ZERO to do with slavery of the Africans and everything to do with slavery of America.


When the emancipation proclamation was suddenly released? ( 1862 ). When did the war start?


Jeesh this is easy to document but then again they don't teach reality in schools.


And so the "greater evil" which was being eliminated anyway, as it was thruout the world without any "civil" wars, became Federal Slavery imposed on everyone. What a hero.

 

[oldchuck]

Tudo, i would love to argue the civil war with you. Care to do it via PM?

 

[Tudo]

Tudo, i would love to argue the civil war with you. Care to do it via PM?

No time. I merely responded . But have fun after all why be accurate when speaking about history when you can feel good stating something totally untrue.

 

[oldchuck]

No time. I merely responded . But have fun after all why be accurate when speaking about history when you can feel good stating something totally untrue.

I don't recall saying anything untrue or anything much at all about the civil war in this thread. I did suggest I don't much appreciate your apparent Deep South point of view. And you come back with insults.

 

[brown_thumb]

Tudo, the Civil War was essential to end slavery in America. The south seceded, remember? It's the south that insisted in perpetuating the evil of slavery so it was the south that tore this country apart.

It's indeed very tragic that hundreds of thousands of northerners and southerners had to die to force the issue. Forget the monetary crap. Forget the politics. Without the civil war, slavery would have continued.

Would you rather the USA still have slavery?

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I'll await the future to see what happens with Trump and cannabis. Until then, I'll illegally grow my own to treat my own illnesses. Fuck prohibition.

 

[armedoldhippy]

And so the "greater evil" which was being eliminated anyway, as it was thruout the world without any "civil" wars, became Federal Slavery imposed on everyone. What a hero.

sorry, slavery still exists in MANY parts of the world, whether state sanctioned legal/illegal or not. not on the scale it once was, but it is still there...

 

[brown_thumb]

Tudo, try to think beyond what mom and dad taught you... what they were taught... what your grandparents and great-grandparents were taught. Just logically research the facts in a nonpartisan non-southerner non-northerner frame of mind and reach your own conclusions.

ArmedOH, I'm sure you know that slavery still exists in the USA, clandestinely, in the sex trade... including little children.

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Screw Trump, screw Sessions... screw them all. I'll grow for my own medical needs until they throw me in prison.

 

[Tudo]

Tudo, try to think beyond what mom and dad taught you... what they were taught... what your grandparents and great-grandparents were taught. Just logically research the facts in a nonpartisan non-southerner non-northerner frame of mind and reach your own conclusions.


So when you don't have anything substantive to back up how you "feel" , you hurl cheap insults? . Here, I'll help you out with lincolns own words before you illuminate the terrain in which you travel even more ok?


"honest abe"
"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.
"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year.


Lincoln didn’t believe blacks should have the same rights as whites.
Though Lincoln argued that the founding fathers’ phrase “All men are created equal” applied to blacks and whites alike, this did not mean he thought they should have the same social and political rights. His views became clear during an 1858 series of debates with his opponent in the Illinois race for U.S. Senate, Stephen Douglas, who had accused him of supporting “negro equality.” In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites.


There's LOTS of this on lincoln, just look it up. Look up Professor Thomas DiLorenzo or Lorenzo's books and others. ( I'm sorry I think I have the name right but it's been a long time so you should check to verify, I am sure it's searchable,books on Lincoln ) But if you like the party line and it makes you feel good instead stick with it?. Just be advised that those stories are as accurate as the same government telling us that weed is bad when they make zillions of dollars building prisons, locking us up and destroying our families and society by doing so. The very same ones. Maybe they're telling you the truth afterall and actual quotes from lincoln himself don't make you feel so good.




To reiterate, I merely responded to the "states rights thing" . Sure, in very limited ways the states do have some rights .Some do, some don't. Wanna see how far you can push? They WILL fire weapons at you if you take it too far. Is this how the founders envisioned freedom? Is this what the Constitution represents ?


I have no further wishes illustrate history as I am here for fun and cannabis not serious stuff like this, however I do hope that you all can at some point research the facts on whatever subject it is you are investing your time on message boards to read/write about as most of this "opinion" stuff is without basis in fact and is as such not accurate. It's important to know the past if you ever hope to make real change the future. Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes in the future.


I am now back to listening to Ummaguma and delving into some headband.
Peace.

 

[brown_thumb]

What? I hurled insults? I haven't added anything of value (truth) in response to your tirades and accusations?

You're quoting southern politics, not overall moral intent nor final overall proper outcome of actions.

One thing we do agree on is the Feds will fire at us (kill us) to keep us under their control. It's always been like that, Lincoln or any other POTUS, either before or after him. The USA is not very different from any other Oligarchy and it never has been. If you were taught otherwise, it's a lie. All of it... lies and deceit.

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Fuck the tyrants... I will grow and consume to treat my illnesses.

 

[Gry]

Fucking nausea like a relentless machine. Hash tea from strong og and Betty Levitt. History and nausea ...

 

[Cabinet Ninja]

What the fuck does all the above argued shit have anything to do with the topic?!

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Relevant excerpts from the Texas articles of secession, 2/02/1861

DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.
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Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States.
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When we advert to the course of individual non-slave-holding States, and that [of] a majority of their citizens, our grievances assume far greater magnitude.

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color--a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a "higher law" than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.
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They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.

They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.

They have impoverished the slave-holding States by unequal and partial legislation, thereby enriching themselves by draining our substance.

They have refused to vote appropriations for protecting Texas against ruthless savages, for the sole reason that she is a slave-holding State.

And, finally, by the combined sectional vote of the seventeen non-slave-holding States, they have elected as president and vice-president of the whole confederacy two men whose chief claims to such high positions are their approval of these long continued wrongs, and their pledges to continue them to the final consummation of these schemes for the ruin of the slave-holding States.

In view of these and many other facts, it is meet that our own views should be distinctly proclaimed.

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States.

By the secession of six of the slave-holding States, and the certainty that others will speedily do likewise, Texas has no alternative but to remain in an isolated connection with the North, or unite her destinies with the South.

For these and other reasons, solemnly asserting that the federal constitution has been violated and virtually abrogated by the several States named, seeing that the federal government is now passing under the control of our enemies to be diverted from the exalted objects of its creation to those of oppression and wrong, and realizing that our own State can no longer look for protection, but to God and her own sons--We the delegates of the people of Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America and the people thereof and confidently appeal to the intelligence and patriotism of the freemen of Texas to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month.

Adopted in Convention on the 2nd day of Feby, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one and of the independence of Texas the twenty-fifth.

SOURCE:
Winkler, Ernest William, ed. Journal of the Secession Convention of Texas 1861, Edited From the Original in the Department of State.... Austin: Texas Library and Historical Commission, 1912, pp. 61-65.

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

And some would say that the United States still hasn't gotten past this and related attitudes. I wouldn't want to grow pot in Jeff Sessions' Home State of Alabama.


Declarations of Causes of Seceding States; South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, Texas
http://www.civilwarcauses.org/reasons.htm#SouthCarolina

 

[Gry]

Can recall seeing an episode of Walt Disney back in the early to mid sixties about Davy Crockett and the Alamo.
I asked my pop for a coon skin cap. Bad, bad mistake. I will not ever forget the look on his face. Never had much use for Disney since.