eastcoastjoe
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Those same countries depend on our consumer market to sell the goods they make. We are one of the biggest consumer markets in the world.
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Those same countries depend on our consumer market to sell the goods they make. We are one of the biggest consumer markets in the world.
Hiddenjems
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My default position is for the government to stay out of personal/family life.
Part of responsible child rearing is to not unveil choices to them they aren’t ready to make. And, this innocence needs protected.
I think our principles are very similar on this issue, we just have a difference in the definition of some terms.
don't forget a regressive tax rate, you're right about those of us making chump change... shit, i will probably be completely and utterly broke under chump instead of barely scraping by like i am now...
Captain Red Eye
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The law doesn't determine consent. The wherewithal of the individual involved determines that. Laws simply punish disobedience when it says this what we allow you to "consent" to. Two different things
You didn't respond to my example where a law says a 17 year old male can consent in one place. but the minute he crosses a boundary line, he can't.
That's not speaking to a hypothetical. A real 17 year old male would not gain the ability to consent by simply stepping over a line or lose the ability by stepping back over the line. His ability to consent follows him, not the edicts of some person in a given legal jurisdiction.
Some laws regarding consent could coincide with reality. For instance a person in a coma can't really consent or give notice of their consent or denial of consent because they're in a coma. If a law mirrored that, it wouldn't mean the law determines people in comas can't consent. It would be true people in comas can't consent whether there was a law saying that or not.
Captain Red Eye
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Yes, we seem close in what we wish other people would do. Thanks again for presenting your ideas reasonably.
eastcoastjoe
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If your getting technical, that specific situation would be a state issue. Also, that argument wouldn’t work for a 25 year old. It also doesn’t work for anything else I mentioned. You’re reaching
Why not get to the real issue. Safety vs your right to choose.
Have you looked in to any of the drugs being given to kids and what they actually do to the body ?
eastcoastjoe
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Then why are there laws on age of consent lol
Hiddenjems
Well-known member
The individual determines consent, the law determines if it’s valid due to age/mental ability.
Lots of abuse victims consent to the abuse of their abuser. That they did not have privilege to do so is where consent laws come from. The same legal theory is why you can’t hold a gun to someone’s head and get their consent to anything.
Hiddenjems
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You as well, it’s been too rare an occurrence that people actually compare ideas.
eastcoastjoe
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That’s the point I was trying to make. Children can’t lawfully consent because they can’t understand the decision. Although parents can currently consent for them, I feel it’s abusive and shouldn’t be lawful. I’m glad this will be banned soon.
Jerking in Das Boot(s)?
Travis Kelcee
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Tariffs were targeted to specific sectors of imported products. [Steel, Aluminum, and a host of smaller sectors etc.] However, when the EU and China responded by devaluing their currency, that approach hit all products imported, not just the tariff goods.
Because the EU and China were driving up the value of the dollar, everything we were importing became cheaper. Not just imports from Europe and China, but actually imports from everywhere. All imports were entering the U.S. at substantially lower prices.
This meant when we imported products, we were also importing deflation.
This price result is exactly the opposite of what the economic experts and Wall Street pundits predicted back in 2017 and 2018 when they were pushing the rapid price increase narrative.
Because all the export dependent economies were reacting with such urgency to retain their access to the U.S. market, aggregate import prices were actually lower than they were when the Trump tariffs began
Drive down the cost of goods through expanded energy development, then leverage reciprocity in tariffs to end the exfiltration of wealth. Then cut out regulation and unleash American enterprise. This is the way to reverse this insufferable economic trajectory that creates a “service driven economy.”
Generally that's good advice - but then throw Female Genital Mutilation/Circumcision - into the mix - with parents of the victims openly paying for their daughters to have bits cut off them - and areas sewn up - that often cause infections for the young female victims - sickness and much pain - due to this terrible practice -
Should the state then step in and stop this practice - even though the parents consent to it - and if so - what about male circumcision too? -
Captain Red Eye
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That's a good question.
Something commonly practiced like circumcision was / is so normal parents hardly give it any consideration and just go along with it, "everybody does it, we don't want little Johnny to feel weird because his penis looks different than his dads".
The mother of my children (3 boys, all in their 30s now) worked as a nurse when my kids were born and I was busy working lots of hours, and more or less let her make our family medical choices. They got circumcised and I didn't think much about it then.
If it were today and I was a young father I might reconsider.
Captain Red Eye
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So the 17 year old fellow morphs from "child" to "young adult" based on where his body is?
In one place his sexual consent is real, in another place it disappears?
Fascinating and subjective.
so the same can be said for removing tonsils after the 7th time getting strep throat in a year, right? riding in a car which is VERY dangerous and potentially life changing or ending?
eastcoastjoe
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So the 17 year old fellow morphs from "child" to "young adult" based on where his body is?
In one place his sexual consent is real, in another place it disappears?
Fascinating and subjective.
You’re stuck on that comparison and it’s a reach.
Parental consent vs medical harm
You keep ignoring the bigger issue of safety and I understand why. .
eastcoastjoe
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Removing tonsils vs endocrine disruption ? Have you considered the pros and cons between the two ?
not much;
luckily i haven't had to think about either of those things very much, hopefully i won't ever have to... but if i do, you'd better believe i'll dig in and read all i can on it, just like when i had to decide to get them vaccinated.
