Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[Brother Nature]

Have you been to the car launch?

I learned about it from 1320 Videos on Youtube. Definitely a bucket list item now that I know about it.

I had not until this morning reading this, just watched and I am hooked haha. That's like every little boys dream event. Yet another reason to visit Alaska... Video below for those of you who also haven't seen it before, it's well worth the watch, I'd start around 7 minutes into the video though, there's a bit of faff and boring talk up until then.

 

[moose eater]

I had not until this morning reading this, just watched and I am hooked haha. That's like every little boys dream event. Yet another reason to visit Alaska... Video below for those of you who also haven't seen it before, it's well worth the watch, I'd start around 7 minutes into the video though, there's a bit of faff and boring talk up until then.

Thousands of dollars in good used automobile parts gone to shit, and a clean-up that likely never gets done properly, resulting in an eventual hazmat site...

Gasoline and oil into the dirt, and a lot of drunks.

Bread and circuses.

Back to snow blowing the 4-1/2 inches of snow I received last night, and the 2 that it joined that were already there... Not as exciting, but a lot more helpful.

For the July 4th non-festivities here, I'll stick to my hash, a good stout, a campfire with no strangers, and the midnight sun. Likely fewer brawls, too.

 

[Brother Nature]

I do agree with that viewpoint, my first thought after the initial reaction was "how are they going to clean that up?", but the destruction does excite the visceral childlike part of my brain that doesn't think about the impact or long term consequences of these types of activities. Sadly, some don't recognize that duality of desire and don't develop past those initial "that's cool" instincts. All that's for another thread though...

 

[Brother Nature]

Sadly, some don't recognize that duality of desire and don't develop past those initial "that's cool" instincts. All that's for another thread though...

Actually, that's probably the perfect discussion for a Trump thread....

 

[moose eater]

Actually, that's probably the perfect discussion for a Trump thread....

I was going to say that the inability to acknowledge one's juvenile duality and deep unawareness of self is what I find prevalent in the personas of most Trumpers.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

 

[moose eater]

It would seem the Kraken fizzled a tad bit.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Oh No. The Kraken was most definitely released. As a witness for the prosecution.

 

[buzzmobile]

Actually, that's probably the perfect discussion for a Trump thread....

I'm going over next.

 

[Hiddenjems]

maybe i was hash in my response to your belief that the American Dream is long gone but i believe you are wrong.

its not my place to tell you what youve done wrong, i could care less.

spare me the "Do everything right you can still get fucked by that little thing called life"...........we all go through tough things in life and im sure many self made people overcame failure and obstacles to become successful.

glad you know who i am and all about me....lol


peace

My story starts out the child of junkies and as of now I’m a middle class small business owner that owns a home and property. It takes a lot of luck, but we create our own luck by not accepting failure and pushing on, making sacrifices now for payoffs later.

How many people that “can’t afford a home”, have a mortgage payment between their new car and tech garbage payments?

 

[GOT_BUD?]

My story starts out the child of junkies and as of now I’m a middle class small business owner that owns a home and property. It takes a lot of luck, but we create our own luck by not accepting failure and pushing on, making sacrifices now for payoffs later.

How many people that “can’t afford a home”, have a mortgage payment between their new car and tech garbage payments?

Good for you. I'm glad things worked out for you.

Out here in the real world, my best friend watched his 14 year old daughter go through a heart transplant. He hasn't seen the final bill yet. But the first one he saw was mid 6 figures. And that was before the transplant was scheduled.

But fuck him. You got yours, right?

 

[Hiddenjems]

Good for you. I'm glad things worked out for you.

Out here in the real world, my best friend watched his 14 year old daughter go through a heart transplant. He hasn't seen the final bill yet. But the first one he saw was mid 6 figures. And that was before the transplant was scheduled.

But fuck him. You got yours, right?

I’m sorry about your friends daughter.

I was playing basketball one day at a campground with my friend, his daughter, and some others. They left to go to town and get some things. On the drive he looked over and she was dead. I feel for anyone fearing for or mourning the loss of a child.

 

[Morcheeba*]

Good for you. I'm glad things worked out for you.

Out here in the real world, my best friend watched his 14 year old daughter go through a heart transplant. He hasn't seen the final bill yet. But the first one he saw was mid 6 figures. And that was before the transplant was scheduled.

But fuck him. You got yours, right?

im sorry that your best friend has to deal with a shitty healthcare system that puts too many families in financial troubles and bankruptcy but hating on success doesnt change our healthcare system.

what should Hiddenjems do? sell off everything and give a huge donation to your friend? how does his overcoming a shitty start deserve a, "But fuck him. You got yours right."

This doesnt matter but ill put it out thereto head off you assuming too much about me when/if you respond to my post......I have had plenty of reasons to say fuck it, i give up....the deck is stacked against me and there is no hope of overcoming the challenges life has delt me but that mentality gets you nowhere.

I can say this b/c just before graduating high school, while camping, i was accidentally ran over by a full size Ford F150 that broke my neck at the C5-C6 level, leaving me a quadriplegic. I no longer had an athletic scholarship for college and being poor i had to get a job instead of attending college. I could have looked at all that i lost and how difficult any recovery would be but i didnt....why, because i felt fortunate i was alive, that i wasnt a head injury patient and i wasnt a young kid like those at the many childrens hospital around the country.

has life been easy? no. am i burdened with rediculous health care expenses not covered by insurance? yes. do i wish we had a better healthcare system? yes. do i think anyone owes me anything for what life delt me? no......and i sure dont think hating on extreme success is productive nor do i believe the American Dream is dead.......the American Dream is different to everyone and its not becoming a billionaire.

what alternative to our capitalist system do you suggest we adopt.


peace

 

[HempKat]

Watching the government constantly fail to deliver for decades and decades, I’ve been pushed more and more libertarian. “If you want it done right, do it yourself”.

For the most part I agree with the libertarian view of less government involvement in our daily lives. That being said there are some things, such as healthcare that are just too big to leave for the individual to solve for themselves and healthcare is one of those things, especially in a society where the wealth gap is as wide as it is in the US where just a handful of families has more wealth then the rest of the population combined.

 

[HempKat]

Obamacare was written up by the health care industry professionals to force you to buy a private service. It was always going to suck.

The problem is the neoliberal privatization of every commodity & service, and capitalism in general.

One of the key componants of the Affordable Care Act that wasn't allowed to remain in the final product was a single payer option along the lines of Medicare which was necessary in order to force private insurance companies to offer similar coverage at similar prices in order to have any hope of staying in business.

 

[HempKat]

only back to nixon.... come-on,


trump committed to a withdrawal date... in feb 2020- from that date till aug 2021, not one soldier was killed in affie.... not a one... the actual withdraw was all biden... 13 dead americans, and billions of $$$ in equipment left behind... constrained by trump... BULLSHIT... on jan 20th 2021... his 1st afternoon in office he killed the keystone pipeline that trump was touting...

trump is def an ass... but fukin sleepy.... please.... and what nuke did n korea ever fire..... lets get some more info on that....

You need more information on the long rang missle N Korea lobbed at Japan the night Shinzo Abe was a guest of Trump at Mar-A-Lardo where insteasd of Trump taking thigs to a secure room to respond to he just did it all out in the open in front of everyone in the dning room? I don't know what more info or coverage of one of the most widely reported events of that time would have provided you. Not that the amount of coverage was the point, the point was that there were missles launched towards an US Ally while the head of that ally was dinning with Trump, at a time where you claim N. Korea was not lobbing missles at the US or it's allies.

As far as Afghanastan of course no soldiers were killed from the point Trump committed to a withdraw until that withdraw was underway, that's the time where all the Taliban had to do was sit back and wait. Why risk attacking US forces during a time we committed to a withdraw until that withdraw was underway which would have given the US reason to not witdraw? Had Trump not commited to a withdrawthen the Taliban would have no way of knowing when would be a good time to strike where they would catch us with our guard down and it would be much more difficult to change direction and stay. As for the Keystone Pipeline aside from the fact it had nothing to do with the points you were trying to make and failed at, it was a bad move for Americans. It gave up valuable US land and would have risked destroying valuable natural resources and the only people it would have benefited in any meaningful way were Canadian Oil companies by giving them an easy way to transport oil produced from oil sands (one of the dirtiest and least profitable sources of oil) to a seaport in Louisiana that would allow them to easily get that oil out to the rest of the world. Did you know that while all that was being negotiated the Canadian Oil companies were asked that if we did them that huge favor would they at least give us prefered buying status and prefered prices in the event of a global oil shortage and they refused to commit to that? We scratch your back and when we really need the favor returned you tell us to go pound oil sand? That's not really something to brag about Trump touting, just goes to show you he wasn't the brilliant businessman he conned people into believing he was.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

You need more information on the long rang missle N Korea lobbed at Japan the night Shinzo Abe was a guest of Trump at Mar-A-Lardo where insteasd of Trump taking thigs to a secure room to respond to he just did it all out in the open in front of everyone in the dning room? I don't know what more info or coverage of one of the most widely reported events of that time would have provided you. Not that the amount of coverage was the point, the point was that there were missles launched towards an US Ally while the head of that ally was dinning with Trump, at a time where you claim N. Korea was not lobbing missles at the US or it's allies.

As far as Afghanastan of course no soldiers were killed from the point Trump committed to a withdraw until that withdraw was underway, that's the time where all the Taliban had to do was sit back and wait. Why risk attacking US forces during a time we committed to a withdraw until that withdraw was underway which would have given the US reason to not witdraw? Had Trump not commited to a withdrawthen the Taliban would have no way of knowing when would be a good time to strike where they would catch us with our guard down and it would be much more difficult to change direction and stay. As for the Keystone Pipeline aside from the fact it had nothing to do with the points you were trying to make and failed at, it was a bad move for Americans. It gave up valuable US land and would have risked destroying valuable natural resources and the only people it would have benefited in any meaningful way were Canadian Oil companies by giving them an easy way to transport oil produced from oil sands (one of the dirtiest and least profitable sources of oil) to a seaport in Louisiana that would allow them to easily get that oil out to the rest of the world. Did you know that while all that was being negotiated the Canadian Oil companies were asked that if we did them that huge favor would they at least give us prefered buying status and prefered prices in the event of a global oil shortage and they refused to commit to that? We scratch your back and when we really need the favor returned you tell us to go pound oil sand? That's not really something to brag about Trump touting, just goes to show you he wasn't the brilliant businessman he conned people into believing he was.

when did north korea lob a 'nuke' over japan - please inform the un-informed

 

[Cannavore]

One of the key componants of the Affordable Care Act that wasn't allowed to remain in the final product was a single payer option along the lines of Medicare which was necessary in order to force private insurance companies to offer similar coverage at similar prices in order to have any hope of staying in business.

pure bullshit. democrats pretend they are in favor of stuff like this and give the excuse that the only reason why we don't have nice things is the big bad republicans.
but when push comes to shove literally since the enactment of obamacare, not a single democrat save bernie sanders has come out in favor of single payer or for pushing obamacare further towards this direction.
in fact the democrats argue against it and give the bullshit line that we have to strengthen obamacare or whatever party line they're saying that week because they have the same corporate capitalist donors that republicans do.

it's a great tactic to mitigate voter losses. pretend to be on the side of the people to get elected (biden made tons of left wing promises and delivered on none of them), then wheel out some bullshit excuse like the senate parliamentarian that nobody has ever heard of or gave a shit about before this last election cycle all while continuing to move to the right.

 

[HempKat]

I had not until this morning reading this, just watched and I am hooked haha. That's like every little boys dream event. Yet another reason to visit Alaska... Video below for those of you who also haven't seen it before, it's well worth the watch, I'd start around 7 minutes into the video though, there's a bit of faff and boring talk up until then.

Hell, that looks even more entertaing then the Punkin Chunkin Event they hold every Fall.

when did north korea lob a 'nuke' over japan - please inform the un-informed

Japan PM Abe says North Korea's missile launch absolutely unacceptable

North Korea's test launch of a ballistic missile was absolutely unacceptable, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said at a joint news conference on Saturday with U.S. President Donald Trump in Florida.

www.reuters.com

 

[HempKat]

pure bullshit. democrats pretend they are in favor of stuff like this and give the excuse that the only reason why we don't have nice things is the big bad republicans.
but when push comes to shove literally since the enactment of obamacare, not a single democrat save bernie sanders has come out in favor of single payer or for pushing obamacare further towards this direction.
in fact the democrats argue against it and give the bullshit line that we have to strengthen obamacare or whatever party line they're saying that week because they have the same corporate capitalist donors that republicans do.

it's a great tactic to mitigate voter losses. pretend to be on the side of the people to get elected (biden made tons of left wing promises and delivered on none of them), then wheel out some bullshit excuse like the senate parliamentarian that nobody has ever heard of or gave a shit about before this last election cycle all while continuing to move to the right.

Nope sorry, it's not bullshit, just do the research there were a number of elements to the Affordable Care Act such as what was called then the "Public Option" that republicans either watered down or outright stripped from the bill as it went thru the legislative process in Congress before finally making it to Obama's desk for a signature. Which he went ahead and signed because even as crippled as the Republicans in the House and Senate tried to make it at the time, was an improvement over what there was at the time and way better then what the republican's were offering (which was nothing).

Nor in pointing this out did I ever make the claim or insinuation that all democrats are wonderful human beings with nothing but the public's best interests at heart. Of course that's just the kind of bullshit arguement some one makes when they can't refute that actual arguement that was made.