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Trump cancels summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un

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igrowone

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good morning Vietnam! whoops, i mean America
another day of fun tweets from the Leader
no trials for deportation, get the pesky judges out of the loop
a test balloon for the new jurisprudence of the future?
time will tell
 

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Don't forget his buddy Kim.
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gaiusmarius

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this thread is getting boring, some kind of dick measuring contest or some'ut. the subject has run its course. too much personal bickering, but insulting wifes and mothers is most definitely off limits ffs. (posts deleted)

time for a new thread, maybe; Trump summit with Putin being prepared by pompeo, roflmao....the dems are gonna have a melt down if Trump goes to meet Putin. even though it is a campaign promise to better relations with Russia, so lets hope for the best.

meanwhile the world cup is running smoothly so far, with people from all over the world having a great time together (one happy family like) and all of them are saying how much better things are then they were led to expect by their media reporting on Russia. as long as the c.i.a.da doesn't tell it's Chechen terrorist sleeper cells to get active.
 

gaiusmarius

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Let's be clear: "due process" is an inalianable right, that protects us all

except if Trump decides to put you in Gitmo, then you have the right to be tortured and held without charges, or even knowing what they are holding you for. in fact you have the right to lose due process, dying during the torture process isnt that rare either. so yeah, the whole thing about due process applying to everyone is really true, it should apply to all, but if you happen to be the 9 year old daughter of the newest US boogie man, then your US citizenship will not protect you from having your due process being handled by this thing called a hellfire missile. while the missile is flying it's doing its due processes of calculating the trajectory to make sure it flies right up your due process. sady both sides mean due process for anyone on my side and hellfire missile due process for anyone else.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Its well known that the USA doesn't follow due process of law...

.....and the feds will try to kidnap you abroad rather than go thru proper extradition processes, if they happen to take a liking to you. How do I know?.....well because that's what was tried on me.

....But this has been going on long before the current POTUS took office.
 

Gry

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It seems appropriate to morn the loss of a talented musician.
It seems just as appropriate to have some compassion for those

fleeing his suppliers.
 

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Guantanamo is a military operation for people who are effectively prisoners of war. Not justifying it, just saying..... Big stretch to link that people escaping violent third world countries trying to survive. Warring in the middle east is insanity in my book. We can not and will not change them.

Worse yet we can not afford to play the game. The countless billions spent could have rebuilt the entire infrastructure and provided college education and medical. Instead we have huge national debt for nothing. Republicans got to buy more arms from their buddies that give them money to get elected.

Gypsy, I think you got fucked. All that for some lousy pot seeds is insanity. Vermont just passed a law forgiving pot crimes.






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Gry

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Gypsy did experience what the deck stacking bastards do first hand.


Gotta wonder how much heroin a day was brought in by those same deckstacking bastards, that would lie until hell froze over as they kept a decent man incarcerated.
 

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The bipartisan level of incompetence in the government is crazy. They say that you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than getting fired from a government job. Typically incompetent people hire more incompetent people because they don't want anyone around who might be challenging them. Hmmmm. Yup, From Agent Orange right on down to the meter maids.

Not just heroin brought in, but big pharma just stopped the DEA from pursuing them over oxycodone sales. They are guilty as fuck.
 

rives

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A little different perspective on what is really taking place -

"Lee Whitt
June 20 at 10:11 AM
So I am going to break a self rule about not posting in regards to work and politics. Well, I am actually going to stand by my rule because what I am really doing is coming to the defense of the US Border Patrol and Customs, Texas DPS, and MYSELF since we were all part of the separation of children from their parents on the border.
Yes. You read that correctly. I was a part of the "human rights violations" taking place on the border. Through the course of my career I have spent, off and on, 15 years working as a medic on the border. I've worked everywhere in Texas from Brewster and Presidio Counties, Eagle Pass, Del Rio, and Laredo. I know several Texas EMS paramedics that are deployed by the state and federal government to these "camps" running from El Paso to Houston currently.
Rarely do I ever speak or write about what I see as a paramedic. Most of the time I never say anything to my wife Natalee or my family and I never comment, post, or talk about the graphic stuff I have seen in my career to people other than my colleagues. That is going to change with this post so if you think you might have a problem with graphic details please stop reading.
I flew for Air Evac which has more border bases than any other air medical services in Texas. I was based out of South Texas and often covered shifts that were within viewing distance of the Mexican border. I love the Mexican people, their culture, and their customs. I married a woman from San Antonio who is of Mexican decent. My sons are half Hispanic. My heart is often broken seeing their plight as they take the ardent journey north for a better life.
But.........
There is another side to some of the immigrants that most people don't witness. Most of the children that started coming across the border 3 or 4 years ago were alone or with smugglers that worked double duty with the cartels. The adults that were with them often lied and said they were the parents which was not true. Even the children that were with their parents or parent were often times in dangerous situations. These children were separated back then and are still separated to this day. It is heartbreaking to see such events unfold and nobody, from the Border Patrol, Texas Law Enforcement or Texas EMS professionals were happy to be tasked with such work. We did not abuse any children. Instead, we cared for them. We fed them and gave them water, clothes, medical care and comfort.
All of these kids were sick or ill. It might be something as simple as dehydration but often times it was more than that. Much more........
Such as the 10 year old girl that I flew who had been raped no less than 10 times on her journey. Her private parts torn by the continued trauma inflicted each night of her stay in the dessert. Her screams and cries of mistrust still haunt me to this day when I think about it.
Then there was a little boy who was only 5 years old covered in scabies, flees, and abscesses with a broken jaw from being hit by a smuggler for crying.
There were many kids that were so malnourished and dehydrated that they could not hold any solid food down and were delirious from sun exposure. Most of these kids had never slept under a roof their entire lives. They certainly never slept in a bed as they often slept on the ground with animals in their home countries.
At the centers where these children were housed they cried aloud. Why wouldn't they? Most had been on a journey that no human should ever go through. Most have never been able to trust a single soul their entire lives, even their parents. They were afraid of the future.
But what these professionals did at the centers was phenomenal work. They fed these kids. They immunized these kids. They LOVE these kids. They have counselors on hand to help with these children. Some of these kids are put into the foster care system which, while not the greatest it could be, is almost certainly better than where they came from and the abuse they have suffered at the hand of cutthroats and drug cartels.
The people that are actually working this crisis are good people. In fact, they are better than most people. They put their lives on hold to help children that they don't even know while spending months at a time without seeing their own families. These people probably save more lives than anyone else in the US right now.
So I encourage you all to look at all sides of this situation. There are no winners but please don't take up an opinion that comes from a media source that only has one agenda in mind: to discredit the current president.
Personally I could care less what you think of President Trump but where I draw the line is when we start taking down innocent people and painting them as villains in an effort to destroy someone else. These GOOD POEPLE working on this crisis have done so for the past 15 years without one word from anyone else until just recently.
Ask yourself why?"
 

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That was pretty straight up - Respect.

Mayor Bill Deblasio stated this morning that there are 300- 400 kids in New York City from the border. These are kids separated from their parents. The youngest he saw was 9 months old. The kids were brought by busses 2,200 miles.
 

Zeez

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like hell it was. let's keep on pretending the cartels appeared by magic.

He's a medic and helps people. That's noble and gets respect.

I still have no idea how you see all that strife and think it's ok to take children away from parents never to be seen again and to deny justice and due process.
 

Gry

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You assume a little much. I have nothing but respect for the medic.

I tire of the propaganda that forever speaks of the cartels as if they fell out of the sky.
 

gaiusmarius

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Guantanamo is a military operation for people who are effectively prisoners of war. Not justifying it, just saying..... Big stretch to link that people escaping violent third world countries trying to survive. Warring in the middle east is insanity in my book. We can not and will not change them.

Worse yet we can not afford to play the game. The countless billions spent could have rebuilt the entire infrastructure and provided college education and medical. Instead we have huge national debt for nothing. Republicans got to buy more arms from their buddies that give them money to get elected.

Gypsy, I think you got fucked. All that for some lousy pot seeds is insanity. Vermont just passed a law forgiving pot crimes.

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my point was simply that due process is no longer sacrosanct and once you take it off 1 type of person you can much easier take it off the next group and so on.

immigration is just one of the new tools of repression, it gives the gov an excuse to wander around demanding peoples documents. now when i was in school this was given me as an example of a fascist nazi police state behavior. but now they got the Americans to the point where they are begging for check points and "routine" id checks. instead of having a secure border, they now have an excuse to demand you identify yourself and your immigration status any where in the country. same thing is happening in England from what im reading.

it used to be the drug war used as an excuse to "spot" check people, but at least they needed probable cause, with the immigration status excuse, no one is safe from being made to produce documents and all the potentially dangerous consequences of any interaction with the police.
 

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my point was simply that due process is no longer sacrosanct and once you take it off 1 type of person you can much easier take it off the next group and so on.

immigration is just one of the new tools of repression, it gives the gov an excuse to wander around demanding peoples documents. now when i was in school this was given me as an example of a fascist nazi police state behavior. but now they got the Americans to the point where they are begging for check points and "routine" id checks. instead of having a secure border, they now have an excuse to demand you identify yourself and your immigration status any where in the country. same thing is happening in England from what im reading.

it used to be the drug war used as an excuse to "spot" check people, but at least they needed probable cause, with the immigration status excuse, no one is safe from being made to produce documents and all the potentially dangerous consequences of any interaction with the police.

I agree this is a place we don't want to go. It's not all Americans who want this. People who want this are really a minority.

Not sure about the UK, but in Europe citizens are required to carry an Identity card which identifies citizenship. I had their version of a green card and was required to carry that as well.
 
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