True Terpenes VISCOSITY extract liquifier LAB TESTS: Mineral oil but no terps!!

[ExtractNinja]

That aside, ExtractNinja, I think Gray Wolf is right. Just slow down a bit and wait for the full results. It would seem, if we were calculating odds at this point, perhaps they did just shift a bit (more) in your favor, but your response dictating what people must or must not do in order to rectify this scenario is far fetched, and I agree, like Gray Wolf suggested, given the general behavior of people, will not get you the response or outcome you desire.

I've been in your favor this entire time, but the record is in the thread and what each person has said they will do in response is there in writing. There is no need for you to push those issues. Let people do as they will and let that define their character as it just plays itself out naturally. Just my opinion on the more personal side of things.

dank.Frank

Ive thought a lot about this the past day. Many people i know here and IRL have expressed to me the same thing you did, and Gray Wolf did, but a nearly equal number of people said they support how im doing it, including how Im interacting with Gray Wolf.

But in the end I do see your point, gray wolfs point, and the point of other people I spoke with, especially one person IRL that I hold in the highest regards possible. I agree that I let my passions get the better of me and I have gotten a bit ahead of the horse. I let me disgust with TT and Future's actions and lies bring me down to their level, so I acted in a way im not proud of. I haven't let me feelings about them affect the facts and evidence I have presented, nor how I have digested the test results other people like Old Gold and Gray Wolf have posted. I can separate my feelings about someone from the analytical review of data.

Going forward i will keep by personal biases in check and like Joe Friday, just the facts, ma'ma.

And your correct the odds are even more in the favor of truth, not my favor though. I am only after the truth. To many the truth is already clear: zero terpenes or terpenoids in Viscosity. With stuff that looks suspiciously like mineral oil or plant oil. More tests will prove it to people who dont already believe the 5 tests of 6 samples from 3 different people.

I do want to apologize to anyone who was put off by my recent posts. I shouldnt have been so aggressive and Im sorry if it detracted from the force and weight of what I am proving. However, I will say in my defense that for 5 months now many people (including Graw Wolf, Future, and TT) have accused me of doing things like being a competitor of TT, making this all up to take down TT, swapping bottles, putting mineral oil in there, and misinterpreting them and the evidence and facts I am sharing. As a human I am flawed, and I can only take so much BS from people who themselves are biased and have motives they aren't being totally transparent about.

I will leave the very smart MagisterChemist's post here:
https://future4200.com/t/true-terpenes/12544/221?u=extractninja

IMO the blind GCMS tests earlier were conclusive, and the only counterargument is to make fraud accusations. So [ExtractNinja you] might as well not waste your time [on HPLC-MS] since anyone who claimed that about the last round would just say the same thing again. It is kind of sad none of these third party tests have had results or the ones that have come out have been kind of aimed in the wrong direction.

 

[ExtractNinja]

TT posted this Leafly article on Facebook.

How True Terpenes Prepares for the Future of Terpene Testing
True Terpenes
PRESENTED BY TRUE TERPENES

“We do everything in the name of consumer safety,” says Alesya Bradley, quality and regulatory manager for True Terpenes. “With the cannabis industry maturing every day, we ensure that our products not only adhere to the most stringent quality and safety standards available, but exceed them. People deserve to know what they’re putting into their bodies.”

What the what???

Did anyone tell TT's higher ups that Alesya is going rouge? We all know TT is dead set against anyone knowing what is in their products, so they are also dead set against anyone knowing what they are putting into their bodies.

I dont want to say TT is a lie factory, so I wont say that ; )

 

[ExtractNinja]

How long has True Terpenes been doing business ?

I think like 4 or 5 years.

 

[NUGneighbor]

dank.Frank & Gray Wolf, I agree with you two in regards to ExtractNinjas reaction.
ExtractNinja I'm sure you have taken a lot of shit and it's a huge load off your shoulders. But you are making yourself look like a little kid saying I TOLD YOU SO. Act your age and don't lower yourself to these liars and cheaters.
And ExtratNinja GOOD JOB BROTHER. YOU DID GOOD FOR ALL OF US.
THANK YOU BROTHER..............................................................................................

 

[ExtractNinja]

dank.Frank & Gray Wolf, I agree with you two in regards to ExtractNinjas reaction.
ExtractNinja I'm sure you have taken a lot of shit and it's a huge load off your shoulders. But you are making yourself look like a little kid saying I TOLD YOU SO. Act your age and don't lower yourself to these liars and cheaters.
And ExtratNinja GOOD JOB BROTHER. YOU DID GOOD FOR ALL OF US.
THANK YOU BROTHER..............................................................................................

I know and Im sorry. I am not like that in IRL, ever, but I also dont deal with this type of BS and lairs in IRL. Its my fault for acting the way I did. It wont happen again. I am going to delete the worst of the offending posts.


Thank you for the support! I get a ton of flak and BS from all corners for doing whats right, so its really nice to hear from people like you, dank.frank, Weird, Ringodoggie and others.

 

[Gry]

I think like 4 or 5 years.

Thank you for the response, I asked, because in looking
at their web site, I saw where they are state they supply
terps to an ice cream company.
The implication being that they are not merely an overnight
sensation based around providing goo needed to fill pens.

 

[CannaRed]

What the what???

Did anyone tell TT's higher ups that Alesya is going rouge? We all know TT is dead set against anyone knowing what is in their products, so they are also dead set against anyone knowing what they are putting into their bodies.

I dont want to say TT is a lie factory, so I wont say that ; )

Yeah, I got a kick out of that too

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thank you for your patience! Apologies it has taken so long, but it isn't straightforward and the testing has been donated to the cause as available. At this point, we know what it's not, but not specifically what it is.

To the point, the samples that we tested were not 100% terpenes.

The samples also contain non volatiles.

Our Viscosity samples appears to be a heavy longer chain hydrocarbon like a heavy vegetable oil fraction or a petrochemical mineral oil. Different than the tri-terpene results from a previous test.

It doesn't match the standards for Isopar H or M mineral oils commonly used in the food and fragrance industry, or any other standard loaded in my labs GC/MS.

Viscosity eludes before those two mineral oils, but does overlap some at the base. The peaks also look similar, but the Viscosity peak has fewer minor fractional peaks.

There are also other standard mineral oils (C, E, G, & L) and a custom mix might not meet any standards, so we weren't able to exclude mineral oil as a possibility, .

My lab looked for a third party lab with a wide standard base to run an HPLC/MS analysis, but the bid he received to reverse engineer the sample was usury ($31K), so he is looking for a alternative lab and running additional samples GC/MS to try and narrow down the possibilities.

Looking for direction, I just sent their GC/MS printout to a molecular biologist for his take and suggestions on how to at least positively identify its plant or petrochemical origin, without dumping a fortune.

More as I learn more.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Thanks for the update, GW.


Looks like crow for dinner for TT and Future.

 

[dank.frank]

There you have it folks. Extract Ninja, the cannabis community is indebted to you.

Gray Wolf. Thank you for getting involved in a rather difficult situation.



dank.Frank

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thanks for the update, GW.


Looks like crow for dinner for TT and Future.

I haven't seen Futures sample results, nor Old Golds. If they all match mine, it certainly will narrow down the possibilities, but if they don't it opens up other possibilities.

The buck ultimately stops with TT, regardless of why my samples don't match their labeling, even if their intent is golden and it is a supply chain issue.

IE: It would appear that their receiving sampling rate is insufficient, or their test ineffective, if the contents are not what they think they are and have labeled the containers to be.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Or, they simply did it on purpose for the pure greed. I have found that to be more true when humans and money are involved, rather than accident.

Plus, their totally non responsive way they handled this, if I were still on the bench, they would all be headed for jail time. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

And, if it is a supply chain problem, they are still responsible and still go to jail. Once this was brought up by ExtractNinja , an innocent company would have had the tests run and posted to clear their name.

Nope, I say this one is on purpose and I have seen plenty of this type of thing.






.

 

[ExtractNinja]

There you have it folks. Extract Ninja, the cannabis community is indebted to you.

Gray Wolf. Thank you for getting involved in a rather difficult situation.

dank.Frank

Thanks and thanks gray wolf for the update. when I spoke to a lab for full reverse engineering a little while back they said at least $20K and i agree thats way to much to spend on this. on road now will post soon again

 

[GLGanonmember]

am I understanding this correctly,

True Terpenes submitted sample does not match IE they submitted something different possibly?

 

[CannaRed]

Thanks graywolf for taking time to do this. Please forward our appreciation to the labs as well.
Thank you ninja for bringing this to our attention, abrasive or not.

TT, where you at? You've had months to come up with a statement, you knew this was coming. Lay it on us.

Future, anything to say?

 

[p0opstlnksal0t]

True terpenes says they are still here for us.

 

[CannaRed]

True terpenes says they are still here for us.

Lol. That's what they had prepared?

 

[ExtractNinja]

Thanks for the update, GW.

Looks like crow for dinner for TT and Future.

I haven't seen Futures sample results, nor Old Golds. If they all match mine, it certainly will narrow down the possibilities, but if they don't it opens up other possibilities.

The buck ultimately stops with TT, regardless of why my samples don't match their labeling, even if their intent is golden and it is a supply chain issue.

IE: It would appear that their receiving sampling rate is insufficient, or their test ineffective, if the contents are not what they think they are and have labeled the containers to be.

Or, they simply did it on purpose for the pure greed. I have found that to be more true when humans and money are involved, rather than accident.

Plus, their totally non responsive way they handled this, if I were still on the bench, they would all be headed for jail time. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

And, if it is a supply chain problem, they are still responsible and still go to jail. Once this was brought up by ExtractNinja , an innocent company would have had the tests run and posted to clear their name.

Nope, I say this one is on purpose and I have seen plenty of this type of thing.

I am with Ringdoggie on this one only because TT changed their product description from this:

VISCOSITY Extract Liquifier is the original flavorless odorless extract diluent made from a blend of 100% organic terpenes.

It does not contain PG, VG, PEG, MCT, Coconut oil, or any other non-terpene ingredients.

No shenanigans, wordplay, marketing gimmicks, or Tom-foolery. Seriously, we only use terpenes.

To this but only after i started posting:

VISCOSITY is the original flavorless odorless diluent made with a blend of botanically derived extracts.

It does not contain PG, VG, PEG, MCT or Coconut oil.

VISCOSITY is plant-derived, natural, non-GMO, and organic.

And now its this:

VISCOSITY Extract Liquifier is the original flavorless odorless diluent made with a blend of botanically derived extracts.

It does not contain PG, VG, PEG, MCT, Coconut oil, or any other non-organic ingredients.

Thats a COA (cover your ass) if I ever seen it. If they didnt mean to remove all terpenes and replace them with mineral oil and/or vegetable oil they wouldnt have changed the wording. They would have issued a recall, issed an apology, and issued a road map for how they will make sure it wont happen again. They did none of that. Instead they did the exact oppoiste and lied more. And Future backed up all their lies time and time again, he even claims he knows what is in Viscosity and hes still backing up TT.

 

[ExtractNinja]

True terpenes says they are still here for us.

Where did you find this?

 

[p0opstlnksal0t]

Where did you find this?

On my IG lol