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top of the heap to third world status in one generation

M

moose eater

That's the problem with the US.

They don't have the liberty to say no to some economic projects because they're desperate for revenue.

I could live without that particular gold and copper. Just like I accept not being able to use cyanide on my own tiny amount of gold.

Cyanide is an extremely effective solvent for Gold. But look at what Barrick has done to the many countries where it practices heap leach mining. Nothing fancy, it's almost like making coffee. (It's just that the leftovers destroy the countryside.)

I respect the Earth First'ers for understanding such things and acting on them.

Wonder what activist groups could do to slow down Pebble Mine.

Comparing Norway to Alaska, as an example of competent less-corrupt leadership, Norway flat-taxed their oil, and had a handle on the often-related corruption that goes hand-in-hand with doing business with the likes of BP, Conoco, Exxon, Standard, and the rest of the arms of the mafia of the oil patch.

When we were trying to undo the freebies granted to the Major Producers by our former, oily and corrupt as hell, Governor Sean Parnell, via his SB21, and our efforts toward the referendum, Parnell went to Norway, working apparently on behalf of the Oilies (as opposed to working for us), and urged Norway's government to decrease their flat-tax, as it was making us look like the whores we were and are. They were taxing the Oilies at a 78% cumulative rate; very low in contrast to places like Uzbekistan, which, at that time, was up near a 98% cumulative, all-inclusive rate.

When he departed Norway, instead of lowering their flat-tax on the Oilies, they increased it to about 81% cumulative rate.

These rates include property taxes, severance taxes (which basically is the sale of the oil), and royalties.

In Iraq, Saddam had booted BP from the Ramallah Fields over their greed and corruption, but our dishonest, propaganda-based invasion had BP re-enter those fields, under contract with the newer, U.S.-imposed government, and they went to work on contract (as opposed to operating under direct investment) and were/are producing oil there for all of all of an average of $1.42 in profit per bbl.

Under our current SB21 give-way, Conoco Philips is netting $25 profit per bbl in Alaska, even with low oil prices currently, as opposed to $11 per barrel, their second highest per bbl net profit any place else they work.

Norway started their version of our Permanent Fund 20 years after ours (!!!!), and they now have close to $1 Trillion in it.

We are scrambling here in Alaska to make sure our PF even survives, and the corrupt motherfuckers like Parnell, Dunleavy, and their Oily masters, effectively have us fighting each other over crumbs, when, had we publicly executed the corrupt motherfuckers who led us to where we are, and live streamed the proceedings, making examples of the pricks, instead of our 'leadership' wining and dining them, and taking envelopes of cash in back-room bribes, we could've had enough nest egg here to provide everything our children would've needed, literally, for generations to come.

Alaska's misguided following of sold-out representation in favor of the newer version of the globalist robber barons & corporatists, is a -very- sore point with me. I look forward to the day that I encounter some of these pricks in a restaurant or bar, up close and personal. I have a message for them. In many cases I have the memory of an elephant.

We imprisoned 9 of the legislative scum back around 2007, but we didn't get enough of them, and we knew it then. it was only the tip of the iceberg. An -NO- Oily execs got prosecuted, though they were looking hard at Jim Bowles of Conoco for a conspiracy beef, who was on FBI digital audio-video recordings, sitting in a room at the Baranof Hotel in Juneau, listening to Billy Allen of VECO fame, explaining who they'd bribed in the legislature, and to what end.

Bowles was later taken out by a poorly-timed avalanche while skiing. Dying, suffocating, alone and cold, was too good for the bastard.

Shame the motherfucker didn't suffer through a bad high carb diet and poor health care during incarceration, though he'd have, no doubt, been sent to a federal country club.

I figure that whether it's Wall St. thieves, or the folks described above, they barely do their own fucking, and most certainly are incapable of doing their own fighting. That's the place to nail the miscreants; an alley, in the dark, with a solid memory of who they are, and what they did to our kids, and stream that shit on FB, asking their compadre's if they want a dose too..:)
 

Gry

Well-known member
Veteran
Comparing Norway to Alaska, as an example of competent less-corrupt leadership, Norway flat-taxed their oil, and had a handle on the often-related corruption that goes hand-in-hand with doing business with the likes of BP, Conoco, Exxon, Standard, and the rest of the arms of the mafia of the oil patch.

When we were trying to undo the freebies granted to the Major Producers by our former, oily and corrupt as hell, Governor Sean Parnell, via his SB21, and our efforts toward the referendum, Parnell went to Norway, working apparently on behalf of the Oilies (as opposed to working for us), and urged Norway's government to decrease their flat-tax, as it was making us look like the whores we were and are. They were taxing the Oilies at a 78% cumulative rate; very low in contrast to places like Uzbekistan, which, at that time, was up near a 98% cumulative, all-inclusive rate.

When he departed Norway, instead of lowering their flat-tax on the Oilies, they increased it to about 81% cumulative rate.

These rates include property taxes, severance taxes (which basically is the sale of the oil), and royalties.

In Iraq, Saddam had booted BP from the Ramallah Fields over their greed and corruption, but our dishonest, propaganda-based invasion had BP re-enter those fields, under contract with the newer, U.S.-imposed government, and they went to work on contract (as opposed to operating under direct investment) and were/are producing oil there for all of all of an average of $1.42 in profit per bbl.

Under our current SB21 give-way, Conoco Philips is netting $25 profit per bbl in Alaska, even with low oil prices currently, as opposed to $11 per barrel, their second highest per bbl net profit any place else they work.

Norway started their version of our Permanent Fund 20 years after ours (!!!!), and they now have close to $1 Trillion in it.

We are scrambling here in Alaska to make sure our PF even survives, and the corrupt motherfuckers like Parnell, Dunleavy, and their Oily masters, effectively have us fighting each other over crumbs, when, had we publicly executed the corrupt motherfuckers who led us to where we are, and live streamed the proceedings, making examples of the pricks, instead of our 'leadership' wining and dining them, and taking envelopes of cash in back-room bribes, we could've had enough nest egg here to provide everything our children would've needed, literally, for generations to come.

Alaska's misguided following of sold-out representation in favor of the newer version of the globalist robber barons & corporatists, is a -very- sore point with me. I look forward to the day that I encounter some of these pricks in a restaurant or bar, up close and personal. I have a message for them. In many cases I have the memory of an elephant.

We imprisoned 9 of the legislative scum back around 2007, but we didn't get enough of them, and we knew it then. it was only the tip of the iceberg. An -NO- Oily execs got prosecuted, though they were looking hard at Jim Bowles of Conoco for a conspiracy beef, who was on FBI digital audio-video recordings, sitting in a room at the Baranof Hotel in Juneau, listening to Billy Allen of VECO fame, explaining who they'd bribed in the legislature, and to what end.

Bowles was later taken out by a poorly-timed avalanche while skiing. Dying, suffocating, alone and cold, was too good for the bastard.

Shame the motherfucker didn't suffer through a bad high carb diet and poor health care during incarceration, though he'd have, no doubt, been sent to a federal country club.

I figure that whether it's Wall St. thieves, or the folks described above, they barely do their own fucking, and most certainly are incapable of doing their own fighting. That's the place to nail the miscreants; an alley, in the dark, with a solid memory of who they are, and what they did to our kids, and stream that shit on FB, asking their compadre's if they want a dose too..:)
What an incredible difference integrity should have made.
 
M

moose eater

What an incredible difference integrity should have made.

Understatement of the year; our seniors living in our Pioneer Homes just got letters stating that their rent is going up by (many of them) $1,200+/month, while we continue to pay out (currently) $1.2 BILLION/year in corrupt-in-origin tax credits to the Oilies (the details I won't go into unless someone wants to really know HOW they're corrupt, but they are).

Once a $1 trillion fund had been established, the earnings from stock portfolios on that alone, not to mention new money from the depleted oil that still trickles down the pipeline, would've paid for Alaskans' university education, medical costs, senior citizen care, etc. LONG into the future, if managed correctly.

We currently derive more income to the State from our stocks from that investment, than from the dwindling flow of the dying oil reserves.

Instead, the bastards who used their offices for personal gain and partisan supremacy, helped Outsiders to plunder our wealth, & now threaten our existing population with their version of austerity, and we're headed to where post-coal mining Appalachia found themselves.

My anger and resentment over this bullshit is very real, and still very present. And that's an understatement, as well..

:peacock:
 

Gry

Well-known member
Veteran
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You may not vote on any more threads today. [/FONT]
 

Gry

Well-known member
Veteran
Beau of the Fifth Column,
Let's talk about an old atlas, colonization, and the future
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Gypsy Nirvana

Recalcitrant Reprobate -
Administrator
Veteran
Good post Gry - Beau speaks the truth - colonialism was just replaced with corporatism - pretty much the same thing - all about wealth extraction.
 
M

moose eater

That's the problem with the US.

They don't have the liberty to say no to some economic projects because they're desperate for revenue.

I could live without that particular gold and copper. Just like I accept not being able to use cyanide on my own tiny amount of gold.

Cyanide is an extremely effective solvent for Gold. But look at what Barrick has done to the many countries where it practices heap leach mining. Nothing fancy, it's almost like making coffee. (It's just that the leftovers destroy the countryside.)

I respect the Earth First'ers for understanding such things and acting on them.

Wonder what activist groups could do to slow down Pebble Mine.

Phatty, You might be interested in searching for reports re. a mining accident that recently occurred in SE Alaska, and which brought to bear many of the hollow promises and assurances re. the Pebble Mine Project.

Then consider that where our Oilies are concerned, they have been nailed in the past for postponing reasonable, pertinent, and necessary maintenance, but, per their private memos (the likes of which we had access to, from BP, during the referendum), while they were saying that they were investing this or that amount of money on the N. Slope in their glitzy ads for PR purposes, their otherwise-private memos pointed to them heading for the proverbial door with as much cash as they could carry; BP from London, and Conoco from Texas. "We're in harvest mode."

Irony? They postpone necessary maintenance on their pipe and pump station facilities,, incur a spill, and deduct the clean-up costs from revenues as a matter of operating costs. Like a thief taxing you for the gas they burned to get to your house, and their disappointment that your jewelry wasn't the right color..
 

St. Phatty

Active member
Phatty, You might be interested in searching for reports re. a mining accident that recently occurred in SE Alaska, and which brought to bear many of the hollow promises and assurances re. the Pebble Mine Project.

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/M...ear-attack-in-Southeast-Alaska-494835681.html

bear attack on a mine contractor. Figure you're talking about something else.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mining+accident+that+recently+occurred+in+SE+Alaska

Interesting history, a cave in that occurred at Treadwell, but that was a century ago.
 
M

moose eater

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/M...ear-attack-in-Southeast-Alaska-494835681.html

bear attack on a mine contractor. Figure you're talking about something else.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mining+accident+that+recently+occurred+in+SE+Alaska

Interesting history, a cave in that occurred at Treadwell, but that was a century ago.

No, I was referring to a more environmentally-related mishap in SE Alaska, near Juneau. I'm not sure, but I want to say the mine was 'Kensington.' Foggy on that at the moment.

I'll do a search when I get a chance. just got home.
 
M

moose eater

As Bob Marley said, "We reppin', we reppin,... Hope you're all reppin', too.."

Maybe Bob didn't say that...
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
It was Kensington. It was not an accident, per se', but rather fines for violations, which were, none the less, significant.

Here's the ADN link:

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/201...e-operator-535000-for-a-string-of-violations/

Imagine the Major Producers' among the Oilies', and THEIR ability to absorb such a fine, and slough it off, as a mere 'tax on doing business as usual,' then deduct it from the debt to the State, as a 'business expense.'

That shit makes me want to root for a northern Antifa chapter.

That fine should have included a few 10 year jail sentences and a $50 million restoration project.
 
M

moose eater

Outa' rep.

Yep, we trade loose regulations on non-renewable resources at bargain basement pricing, for damage and infringement on renewable resources, as a product of short-sighted immediate gratification for those with more money or power.

Our species has done this, in one manner or another, on every continent on the globe.

Powerful children screaming, "I want my cake!! And yours too!!" and some opportunist in a position of power seeing something to be gained, gives them their way.
 

Gry

Well-known member
Veteran
Never been an advocate of the the death penalty, but am
painfully aware that we are no longer served by our representatives.
Wish that history showed a better way of bringing about
positive change, but the effect of a guillotine on a politician
is a known quantity.
 

White Beard

Active member
The price of a product should include remediation costs. It doesn't. It's as if cleanup will never be needed.

“Externalities“: like, flooding the Gulf with oil and poisoning the seafood; like refusing to compensate victims for damages from dangerous and toxic products, processes and materials; known dangers and deadly/damaging production-related “events”.

Part of the 10 Commandments of Corporate Business: “Shift ALL costs / accountability AWAY from the Company at every opportunity”....
 
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