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top of the heap to third world status in one generation

armedoldhippy

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Look at the bright side.

We don't live in Lagos Nigeria.

88 million people (sometime in the near future).

Roads are a mess, every commute is an Epic Survival Journey.

so is driving through Knoxville during rush hour, lol...it USED to be worse, now it is just horrible...
 

St. Phatty

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What if we had a REAL problem, like Kaiju coming out of an inter-galactic rift in the middle of the ocean ?

I guess it would be good for military spending.
 

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Gry

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When I first heard "don't touch that dial", it was radio that was being referred to.
Always thought of TV as disappointing.
 

White Beard

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Look at the bright side.

We don't live in Lagos Nigeria.

88 million people (sometime in the near future).

Roads are a mess, every commute is an Epic Survival Journey.

Ciudad Mexico ... the entire DF is packed full in ways American eyes can’t quite grasp...I think it would be possible to live a long life there and never really know it. Just TOO big.

An’ they got your commute from hell, lemme tell ya

When I first heard "don't touch that dial", it was radio that was being referred to.
Always thought of TV as disappointing.

I remember lying on the bed on hot summer nights, listening to The Shadow, Inner Sanctum, Lights Out on the radio
 
M

moose eater

I'd have just liked them to have paid market value for our oil here, and to have stopped from indirectly bribing our legislators and other representatives via their lackey, Bill Allen's/VECO's contract oil field service company.

The way I see it, the bastards stole (literally stole) my kids' futures here in Alaska, and should suffer the -same- consequences any other thief might suffer if I found them in my stash or sock drawer.

Except these ne'er-do-wells stole $BILLIONS!
 

Phaeton

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I'd have just liked them to have paid market value for our oil here, and to have stopped from indirectly bribing our legislators and other representatives via their lackey, Bill Allen's/VECO's contract oil field service company.

The way I see it, the bastards stole (literally stole) my kids' futures here in Alaska, and should suffer the -same- consequences any other thief might suffer if I found them in my stash or sock drawer.

Except these ne'er-do-wells stole $BILLIONS!

1978 a hole was poked in the Alyeska Pipeline, spilling 678,000 barrels of crude into a permafrost sealed valley. Total cost exceeded $33,000,000.
I would consider that kind of money a big deal, private Island, private jet to get there, and catered life imbibing any exotica wished.

But put to scale, gas prices rose not even a tenth of a cent, executive bonuses decreased not even a tenth of a percent.
Billions were being made, the scale is hard to picture.
Forget doubling or tripling, or ten or a hundred times.

One third of one percent of a billion is 33,000,000.
The oil company executives absolutely did not care, their eyes were on the big picture and the folks moose eater mentions were paid to keep that picture moving.

Third world is the description that fits.
 

St. Phatty

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I'd have just liked them to have paid market value for our oil here, and to have stopped from indirectly bribing our legislators and other representatives via their lackey, Bill Allen's/VECO's contract oil field service company.

The way I see it, the bastards stole (literally stole) my kids' futures here in Alaska, and should suffer the -same- consequences any other thief might suffer if I found them in my stash or sock drawer.

Except these ne'er-do-wells stole $BILLIONS!

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...forced-reversal-mining-project-epa-scientists

About the "copper and gold Pebble Mine project in Bristol Bay".
 
M

Mr D

The Hoarding of the American Dream

In a new book, a Brookings scholar argues that the upper-middle class has enriched itself and harmed economic mobility.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-hoarding-of-the-american-dream?utm_source=pocket-newtab

I found that article to be more of the divisional rhetoric that is used to distract.

Most upper middle income people are college educated. So on one hand the left advocates for free college while arguing that college educated upper middle class are part of the reason why people are poor? Circular logic ?


Never-mind the Federal Reserve's monetary policies and debt based fiat currency....nothing to see here.
 
M

moose eater


Opposition to the Pebble Mine project was at over 60% and bipartisan. It's a no-brainer. Salmon are a renewable resource, and they are already suffering our over-indulgence in harvest, lack of controls on otherwise criminal (if not for their lobby in D.C.) High Seas Trawlers, and more, in many rivers.

There's a lot more to discuss about soon-to-be-recalled Governor mike Dunleavy, than just the Pebble Mine issue. LOTS.
 

Gry

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I found that article to be more of the divisional rhetoric that is used to distract.

Most upper middle income people are college educated. So on one hand the left advocates for free college while arguing that college educated upper middle class are part of the reason why people are poor? Circular logic ?


Never-mind the Federal Reserve's monetary policies and debt based fiat currency....nothing to see here.
The way I heard it was that those who were provided college educations via the GI returned 7 bucks to the economy for every dollar invested.
We see what we look for. Human nature?
 
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Mr D

The way I heard it was that those who were provided college educations via the GI returned 7 bucks to the economy for every dollar invested.
We see what we look for. Human nature?

Well...I suppose that's dependent on who you choose to listen to.

As a former member of the military I can tell you a college education via the GI bill is not free college. Soldiers earn that and many other unpaid benefits they never receive.

Most of us never had the luxury of a 40 hr work week. 12 hrs was a short day and 16 hrs a day was closer to normal. Also when I was in an E-3 with a wife and 2 kids, I qualified for welfare and food stamps. So it's not like they were paying us a good wage to operate and be proficient in the billions of dollars worth of weapons and technology we were tasked with.

Do you see some type of benefit with having college educated bus drivers, waiters, trash collectors, cleaning people, retail clerks and many many other jobs that don't require college? Do you believe that having more college educated people will result in more high paying jobs?

Rutgers University has a course titled "The Politics of Beyonce". Can you tell me as a taxpayer what benefit we gain from paying to send people through these type of made up shit college courses?
 
M

moose eater

The way I heard it was that those who were provided college educations via the GI returned 7 bucks to the economy for every dollar invested.
We see what we look for. Human nature?

Except for those of us who made waves, and made radical statements that bucked our own boats' captains, no matter how legitimate..

I went to school on the same level of benefits as a combat vet, $342/month, back in the day, courtesy of my father's brief Air Force stint (a long story re. the 1946 G.I. Bill and their discovering his suicidal ideation via psych exams before sending him up in an aerial recon aircraft, but failing to address his disposition formally, as they were legally obligated to do under the 1946 G.I. Bill), as well as survivors' benefits under his Soc. Sec. account.

I now have a very expensive couple of relatively worthless parchments in boxes in the basement, and meanwhile, folks who attended a pipe-fitters' apprenticeship, welders apprenticeship, electricians' apprenticeship, etc., etc., and followed through to get their journeyman's ticket, are making (working under their own banner) what lawyers made when I was younger.

We've randomized higher education in some ways. Much of what I ended up doing, chronically wired out of my gourd on coke, and stoned to the bone EVERY day in class, but on the Dean's List, with a 3.65 GPA, was to perfect my 'hoop-jumping' abilities; realized that many professors simply wanted what ever tripe they were peddling, whether accurate or not, regurgitated to them, and I obliged skillfully.

I became pretty good at manipulating the manipulators, who'd made higher education as much about their own egos, as about facts and realities..

It's true, in my opinion, that an educated society is best, for all parties involved; fewer Darrels and his other brother Darryl making serious decisions in the ballot booths in knee-jerk manner, based on questionable ads and expensive air time, often put out by partisans and special interests, and as often as not, intended to mislead or frighten into this or that outcome.

At the same time, when entering into many professional jobs, via which ever parchment, no matter how fucked up a particular field may be in the grand or micro-scheme of things, voicing opposition or criticism can make any amount of education nearly worthless.

But my cardboard boxes are impressed to no end with the parchments, keep-sakes, heirlooms, and poetry contained therein. :biggrin:
 

Gry

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Well...I suppose that's dependent on who you choose to listen to.

As a former member of the military I can tell you a college education via the GI bill is not free college. Soldiers earn that and many other unpaid benefits they never receive.

Most of us never had the luxury of a 40 hr work week. 12 hrs was a short day and 16 hrs a day was closer to normal. Also when I was in an E-3 with a wife and 2 kids, I qualified for welfare and food stamps. So it's not like they were paying us a good wage to operate and be proficient in the billions of dollars worth of weapons and technology we were tasked with.

Do you see some type of benefit with having college educated bus drivers, waiters, trash collectors, cleaning people, retail clerks and many many other jobs that don't require college? Do you believe that having more college educated people will result in more high paying jobs?

Rutgers University has a course titled "The Politics of Beyonce". Can you tell me as a taxpayer what benefit we gain from paying to send people through these type of made up shit college courses?
Figuring we are about the same age, when we were kids, 70 percent of the country was not college educated, but still able to provide a decent standard of living.
I see many benefits to having a better educated populace.
No qualms with some form of national service for all,
providing there is an alternative to military service.
 
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Mr D

Figuring we are about the same age, when we were kids, 70 percent of the country was not college educated, but still able to provide a decent standard of living.
I see many benefits to having a better educated populace.
No qualms with some form of national service for all,
providing there is an alternative to military service.


Growing up very poor in a single parent home and then marrying a girl from a single parent home at 18, having 2 kids by the time we were 19. I found the military to have made a profound impact on how my life turned out. It was extremely positive. 3 kids, 4 grandkids and 40+ years of marriage life has been good and I've never had to hurt or kill a single person.

I learned the value of hard work, discipline and believe it or not empathy and compassion as part of the Cuban refugee resettlement operation for which I received the humanitarian service award.
 

Gry

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Veteran
Growing up very poor in a single parent home and then marrying a girl from a single parent home at 18, having 2 kids by the time we were 19. I found the military to have made a profound impact on how my life turned out. It was extremely positive. 3 kids, 4 grandkids and 40+ years of marriage life has been good and I've never had to hurt or kill a single person.

I learned the value of hard work, discipline and believe it or not empathy and compassion as part of the Cuban refugee resettlement operation for which I received the humanitarian service award.

Have positive memories and impressions myself, but I would
not want to force it on someone who would do better providing
a different form of service.
 

St. Phatty

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Opposition to the Pebble Mine project was at over 60% and bipartisan. It's a no-brainer. Salmon are a renewable resource, and they are already suffering our over-indulgence in harvest, lack of controls on otherwise criminal (if not for their lobby in D.C.) High Seas Trawlers, and more, in many rivers.

There's a lot more to discuss about soon-to-be-recalled Governor mike Dunleavy, than just the Pebble Mine issue. LOTS.

That's the problem with the US.

They don't have the liberty to say no to some economic projects because they're desperate for revenue.

I could live without that particular gold and copper. Just like I accept not being able to use cyanide on my own tiny amount of gold.

Cyanide is an extremely effective solvent for Gold. But look at what Barrick has done to the many countries where it practices heap leach mining. Nothing fancy, it's almost like making coffee. (It's just that the leftovers destroy the countryside.)

I respect the Earth First'ers for understanding such things and acting on them.

Wonder what activist groups could do to slow down Pebble Mine.
 

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