top of the heap to third world status in one generation

[redlaser]

Separation of church and state is a good thing.

No need to quote any particular religion for truth or policy.

If you love religion, it’s an option for you to pursue.



With so many religions out there, most who discount the others, is only one correct and the rest all wrong?

Seems a source of division more than anything else, lotta people killing over it.

I don’t believe a person needs a church or religion to treat others like they would want to be treated.

 

[White Beard]

PF, in truth, I don’t mean this to be offensive, but that last paragraph simply is not true, and your ongoing insistence on using terms you *plainly* don’t comprehend (re: “left”ism, just to pull out your favorite) makes the conversation weird, like talking to Elwood P. Dowd with Harvey ‘in’ the room....

So I’ll just leave it here. At least, for now.

Peace!

 

[packerfan79]

PF, in truth, I don’t mean this to be offensive, but that last paragraph simply is not true, and your ongoing insistence on using terms you *plainly* don’t comprehend (re: “left”ism, just to pull out your favorite) makes the conversation weird, like talking to Elwood P. Dowd with Harvey ‘in’ the room....

So I’ll just leave it here. At least, for now.

Peace!

No offense taken. We are all adults here and should be able to disagree without being offended.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Billionaire David Rockefeller, considered the "Godfather" of the New World Order, praised the controlled U.S. media for keeping their oath not to divulge any Globalist plans to the public. Speaking to his fellow conspirators at a 1991 meeting in Baden Baden, Germany, (the Bilderberger Group) Rockefeller said:
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years.
It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

 

[packerfan79]

Billionaire David Rockefeller, considered the "Godfather" of the New World Order, praised the controlled U.S. media for keeping their oath not to divulge any Globalist plans to the public. Speaking to his fellow conspirators at a 1991 meeting in Baden Baden, Germany, (the Bilderberger Group) Rockefeller said:
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years.
It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

No surprise their. I have been listening to the Jimmy Dore show, he's got some interesting takes on NBC/MSNBC and their pro war anti Russia propaganda. Apparently That cabal is now attacking Tulsi Gabbard, probably the only Democrat I respect. I don't understand why Bernie, and Gabbard still align themselves with the democratic party. I don't agree with alot of Dores proposed solutions, but respect his honesty.

I would be glad to scrap the GOP and Democratic parties. It would be better to argue issues not partisanship.

In your opinion what could be done to stop this shit?

I just want to check out of regular society. Homestead, live off the land. I wonder if that's throwing in the towel

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

To stop that stuff - you would have to have the intelligence and funding to combat it - and that would not be so easy to come by - especially when you consider that this New World Order plot has had plenty of time to mature into what it is today - after basically hoodwinking human populations as to their ultimate aims of creating a one world government - which is well on its way already - and those that propagate it are well in control over most all of us already - by using finance - which they control - so today almost every member of every government worldwide is either on their payroll - or hoping to be on it soon.


Whoever you vote for - the government gets in - and whoever fronts that government would not be there unless they had/have the blessings of the NWO people - IMHO.

No surprise their. I have been listening to the Jimmy Dore show, he's got some interesting takes on NBC/MSNBC and their pro war anti Russia propaganda. Apparently That cabal is now attacking Tulsi Gabbard, probably the only Democrat I respect. I don't understand why Bernie, and Gabbard still align themselves with the democratic party. I don't agree with alot of Dores proposed solutions, but respect his honesty.

I would be glad to scrap the GOP and Democratic parties. It would be better to argue issues not partisanship.

In your opinion what could be done to stop this shit?

I just want to check out of regular society. Homestead, live off the land. I wonder if that's throwing in the towel

 

[packerfan79]

To stop that stuff - you would have to have the intelligence and funding to combat it - and that would not be so easy to come by - especially when you consider that this New World Order plot has had plenty of time to mature into what it is today - after basically hoodwinking human populations as to their ultimate aims of creating a one world government - which is well on its way already - and those that propagate it are well in control over most all of us already - by using finance - which they control - so today almost every member of every government worldwide is either on their payroll - or hoping to be on it soon.


Whoever you vote for - the government gets in - and whoever fronts that government would not be there unless sanctioned by the NWO - IMHO.

So, sack the government, and start fresh? Term limits seem to be a step in the right direction.

 

[Mick]

I support the right to privacy. I don't think the right to privacy gives you the right to abortion. Your rights don't allow others to be harmed. Now, that the democratic platform is any abortion at anytime for any reason, the truth about abortion is out in the open.

I can understand why you might say fiscally speaking the GOP has utterly failed to uphold conservative principles.I basically agree with you Outside of that, I have to disagree. Religious freedom, individual rights, abortion, and many other conservative policies are firmly in place. It seems that you are focused on the financial aspects.

It's not that conservative judges conceal their beliefs. It's that they are attacked for even mostly normal views. The Democrats have routinely argued that just believing in religion should be a disqualifying issue. Leftism is essentially a religion of government worship, yet it is perfectly acceptable.

Dmitri finds out God is dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myc7eHGg5y4

 

[Cannavore]

No surprise their. I have been listening to the Jimmy Dore show, he's got some interesting takes on NBC/MSNBC and their pro war anti Russia propaganda. Apparently That cabal is now attacking Tulsi Gabbard, probably the only Democrat I respect. I don't understand why Bernie, and Gabbard still align themselves with the democratic party. I don't agree with alot of Dores proposed solutions, but respect his honesty.

cause its easier to probably reform a party that has ballot access in all 50 states than to start a third party that will get no coverage and be on just a fraction of the ballots.

or at least that's what their thinking is.

i'm ready to turn over the apple cart and sharpen the guillotines but thats just me.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Sack the government? - Hmmm - You would have to start with the CIA/MI5 (and several other 'deep' and secret agencies) - and work back from there - thru the military - and many other dedicated government sponsored agencies - that would ALL be out to get you - whilst at the same time somehow grasping control of global finance - To get all that done - you would have to be superhuman at least methinks.


Nothing short of a full-on very bloody revolution would suffice - but even that would most probably be doomed to failure from the outset since I can't see a successful full-on revolution taking place without main stream media support/coverage -

So, sack the government, and start fresh? Term limits seem to be a step in the right direction.

 

[White Beard]

At the risk of ringing the OMG-WORLD-GOVT bell...that revolution would have to be world-wide, as the resident extreme-wealth class in each nation is trying to pull off the same shit the radicals in the GOP have been pushing here for decades.

Right-wing clampdown, the world over - favelas, bad water and early death for all the poors...which will be all of us if we don’t embrace a ruthless drive for wealth and power.

“That’s just *great*, man!”

 

[armedoldhippy]

It's not that conservative judges conceal their beliefs. It's that they are attacked for even mostly normal views. The Democrats have routinely argued that just believing in religion should be a disqualifying issue. Leftism is essentially a religion of government worship, yet it is perfectly acceptable.

it is fine for anyone to be religious, judges included. it is NOT fine for them to try to make ANYONE else fall in line RE those beliefs, however "noble" they might seem on their face. if they want to be on the bench so they can enforce THEIR beliefs on others, they do not need to be judges.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Sack the government? - Hmmm - You would have to start with the CIA/MI5 (and several other 'deep' and secret agencies) - and work back from there - thru the military - and many other dedicated government sponsored agencies - that would ALL be out to get you - whilst at the same time somehow grasping control of global finance - To get all that done - you would have to be superhuman at least methinks.


Nothing short of a full-on very bloody revolution would suffice - but even that would most probably be doomed to failure from the outset since I can't see a successful full-on revolution taking place without main stream media support/coverage -

Peaceful revolution begins at the neighborhood level. First thing is to become sustainable as a community. Make a slow but strategic effort to make the government redundant and unnecessary. Electing local officials that also would rather be farming or working in the community.

Basically try to ignore them away by not contributing to their economy, coorperate mindset and laws preventing us from thriving without their help.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Yes - that all sounds fine and dandy - but once whatever government finds out what you are up to - then they will take it as a challenge to their authority - and so justify crushing it before it catches on - or the gravy-train of paychecks might come to an abrupt end - and millions might be out of a government job - and it seems like more government jobs are created every day - its a growth industry - that doesn't like to have its toes stepped on.

Peaceful revolution begins at the neighborhood level. First thing is to become sustainable as a community. Make a slow but strategic effort to make the government redundant and unnecessary. Electing local officials that also would rather be farming or working in the community.

Basically try to ignore them away by not contributing to their economy, coorperate mindset and laws preventing us from thriving without their help.

 

[packerfan79]

At the risk of ringing the OMG-WORLD-GOVT bell...that revolution would have to be world-wide, as the resident extreme-wealth class in each nation is trying to pull off the same shit the radicals in the GOP have been pushing here for decades.

Right-wing clampdown, the world over - favelas, bad water and early death for all the poors...which will be all of us if we don’t embrace a ruthless drive for wealth and power.

“That’s just *great*, man!”

You know, White Beard. It would be nice if you were open minded enough to admit that the Democrats have it's own share of oppression and manipulation. I freely admit the GOP is not what it should be.

It's kinda hard to take you seriously when you act as if the Democrats don't have serious skeletons in the closet.

 

[packerfan79]

Yes - that all sounds fine and dandy - but once whatever government finds out what you are up to - then they will take it as a challenge to their authority - and so justify crushing it before it catches on - or the gravy-train of paychecks might come to an abrupt end - and millions might be out of a government job - and it seems like more government jobs are created every day - its a growth industry - that doesn't like to have its toes stepped on.

I guess off grid living it is.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Off grid living can be an alternative - if you can truly find a way to do it - not much if anything is really beyond the grasp of those that hold true and constant power - and you will certainly get their attention if you look to be in any way organizing some sort of uprising against them - since they seem to thrive on conflict anyway - it is meat and drink to them.


Peaceful revolutions sound idylic - but the only reported one I have seen - in the Philippines - was a complete farce - because all it did was shuffle the deck of the ruling familes in politics - and nepotism is still rife amongst the ruling dynasties there - as it always has been - 'People's Revolution' or not.

I guess off grid living it is.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Ahhh...so you copied and pasted some drab...to help form your statement/question.

Cool. I do not hold the disrespect it showed towards my President against you. Now that sum bitch in Oz however...

On to your persistent need to get an answer out of me. Sorry. I have told you before, I don't like the way you troll. The tiny, little bridge you live under doesn't fit into my route. I rather choose to engage with those of some sort of knowledge, or self interest to the topic at hand. You offer neither. You seem to just pop up and stir up the shit with your condescending remarks.

G `day V

Well we have some thin in common .
Because I don't like the way you troll .

I am trying to understand the way your mind works . How some one can be so close minded and partisan . And come from a position of such surety when the majority think differently .

My self interest is the future of the world . The happenings in the USA affect the rest of the world . Whether you acknowledge it or not .

Having a bi partisan view from afar is an advantage IMO. I have access to the same media as US citizens .There`s this thing called the world wide web also known as the internet of things .
So don`t try and tell me I am uninformed or disconnected .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[packerfan79]

Off grid living can be an alternative - if you can truly find a way to do it - not much if anything is really beyond the grasp of those that hold true and constant power - and you will certainly get their attention if you look to be in any way organizing some sort of uprising against them - since they seem to thrive on conflict anyway - it is meat and drink to them.


Peaceful revolutions sound idylic - but the only reported one I have seen - in the Philippines - was a complete farce - because all it did was shuffle the deck of the ruling familes in politics - and nepotism is still rife amongst the ruling dynasties there - as it always has been - 'People's Revolution' or not.

I would think if you are willing to deal with cold weather you should be able to find areas where no one wants to come looking. In the tropics you will always find people looking for that secluded beach. Unless you have millions to buy a freaking private island you will be disturbed at some point in time.

I hate that any thought of change is always aimed at socialist ideaology. Revolution doesn't have to end in further oppression. Plenty of right wing people want shit to change also. I am sick of corruption, subsidies, corporatism, constant bullshit police action "wars".

 

[Zeez]

So, sack the government, and start fresh? Term limits seem to be a step in the right direction.

Add term limits to the list that we agree on.