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armedoldhippy

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a noble thought, but...how are you going to enforce a violation of a "formal agreement" against a nuclear-armed country that ignores any of the other "formal agreements" it signed whenever it suits their aims...(this description fits SEVERAL nations) using nuclear missiles as "get out of jail free" cards. "I violated an agreement? huh...what are you going to DO about it? issue a statement of concern or something equally frightening? "
 

St. Phatty

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a noble thought, but...how are you going to enforce a violation of a "formal agreement" against a nuclear-armed country that ignores any of the other "formal agreements" it signed whenever it suits their aims...(this description fits SEVERAL nations) using nuclear missiles as "get out of jail free" cards. "I violated an agreement? huh...what are you going to DO about it? issue a statement of concern or something equally frightening? "

Israel & the US could GIVE A VUCK.

They bombed Syria's research reactor without a care in the world.

We already have a nuclear worst case - the world's primary Terror sponsors, the US and Israel, are in possession of not just uranium bombs but H-bombs.

Israel's first nuclear devices were of course built using materials stolen from the US. Since the US has been Israel's Bitch since they murdered JFK - after JFK insisted they stop their nuclear program.

This completely changes the Tactics & Strategy of Nuclear proliferation.

Nuclear Proliferation is now a Good Thing.

Smaller nations need nuclear science & tech to defend themselves from the Big Terrorists.

So they can use Uranium devices to defend themselves from the Big Terrorists.
 
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Gry

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a noble thought, but...how are you going to enforce a violation of a "formal agreement" against a nuclear-armed country that ignores any of the other "formal agreements" it signed whenever it suits their aims...(this description fits SEVERAL nations) using nuclear missiles as "get out of jail free" cards. "I violated an agreement? huh...what are you going to DO about it? issue a statement of concern or something equally frightening? "
Am absolutely sure that I shall never have an adequate response for issues of that nature.
With fifty years of MAD under our belts, I shudder to think how many different ways we and they must have come up with to game that also.

Ran across the following, and thought it might be appreciated by a few here, I was more than impressed by the credentials of the author:
 

armedoldhippy

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and one person on here neglected to notice that Russia (along with North Korea) is a repeat offender, but hurriedly notes that Israel & the US are, in his words, the "primary sponsors of terrorism". :biggrin: US (and French) scientists no doubt gave Israel all that they needed to build the bomb, they didn't have to steal it. blaming Israel for Kennedy assassination is a new wrinkle, lol. "proliferation" a good thing, lol. nothing stopping anyone from building one except the money for parts & fissionable material. Russia or North Korea would probably give that away...or sell it at a modest cost. i hear their economy not doing well...
 
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Cannavore

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the third party dude..... lmao just another grifter like tulsi gabbard


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Gry

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The country that is most invested in keeping tabs on the US, has always been Israel.
They had surrounded the White House with (Sting Rays) and had them all over in DC years ago.

I originally incorrectly used the stinger when referring to Sting Ray, a device by Harris Electronics which comes with a non-disclosure agreement
 
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h.h.

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Then she went to lunch. Subsidized by Mexican farmers and field workers making $4 a week.
 

armedoldhippy

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The country that is most invested in keeping tabs on the US, has always been Israel.
They had surrounded the White House with Stingers and had them all over in DC years ago.
do you have a source for this assertion? i am unable to find one...
 
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armedoldhippy

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okay..."stingrays" and "stingers" are not the same thing. spying on us? lol, yeah. them and everyone else! just like we do to the rest of the world. question - if Israel is so in control of our govt as a few here continue to insist, WHY would they need to spy on us? i'm confused... sounds like a waste of time and energy that could be better used elsewhere. no? :chin:
 
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St. Phatty

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okay..."stingrays" and "stingers" are not the same thing. spying on us? lol, yeah. them and everyone else! just like we do to the rest of the world. question - if Israel is so in control of our govt as a few here continue to insist, WHY would they need to spy on us? i'm confused... sounds like a waste of time and energy that could be better used elsewhere. no? :chin:

You're either a Jew - or one of the most Self-Hating Gentiles in the World.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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It is important to consider optics. Trump's admin is at war with a global Deep State. Israel is a huge part of that apparatus. Any small criticism of Israel has long been met with a coordinated and intense backlash and accusations of 'antisemitism.' Also, in a unconventional war, it is wise to play dumb at times (don't let the enemy know you have everything). You don't want the enemy to know that you have a plan. Also, Trump admin has a habit of not letting people know about intel which they possess until they are ready for people to know.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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okay..."stingrays" and "stingers" are not the same thing. spying on us? lol, yeah. them and everyone else! just like we do to the rest of the world. question - if Israel is so in control of our govt as a few here continue to insist, WHY would they need to spy on us? i'm confused... sounds like a waste of time and energy that could be better used elsewhere. no? :chin:
No.
 

Gry

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armedoldhippy, forgive my misstatement using stingers as opposed to the correct term of "Stingray" the device sold by Harris Electronics which comes
with a non-disclosure policy attached.
You ask why would a country we are so close to spy on us to the extent that they do. Because that is how it works. I would point to the disclosure of us
tapping the phone of the leader of Germany a few years back.
As to Israel being the country that keeps the closest tabs on us, well someone had to be number one.
It makes sense to me in the respect that Israel has a unique ability to pull info from locations that are not real productive for the US, and
they know how to make it work for them. Funding will never be an issue with this sort of thing.
"Stingrays + DC" delivers a number of story's on it over the years.
 
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Gry

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Hempy, I will suggest you pay less attention to what people say, and more to what they do.
I suggest you consider that the possibility that he has never been at war with the deep state.
He surrounds himself with members of it, that have damned effective track records...
 

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