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Gry

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Hempy McNoodle said:
The Guardian is a propaganda outlet. Perhaps you can correspond with the author of the piece and ask her why there was no further investigation or tribunal into the matter? If I recall correctly, in Smedley Butler's deposition to the congressional committee he says that FDR was to remain a figurehead after the coup. Did the coup happen anyway (under the radar)?

General Butler died a short time later, but not before writing his infamous book, 'War Is A Racket,' in which he coined the term 'military-industrial complex.' He said that he suspected that the US (Deep State) was gearing up for a second world war. He was right.
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Hempy, Smedley Butler was someone that I had idolised since I was quite young, was back in mid seventies when I last looked in to
the life of Smedley Butler.
It was my recollection, that he stated plainly that he had only been provided info through MccGuire, and that he had not been able to speak with the
principals.
It having been almost fifty years since I spent time looking him up, I thought it would be appropiraate to glance over the available material prior to proceeding.
"The New York Times reported that Butler had told friends that General Hugh S. Johnson, former head of the National Recovery Administration, was to be installed as dictator, and that the J.P. Morgan banking firm was behind the plot."
 
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Gry

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h.h.

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Gry said:
Spoken as if you had a more appropriate analogy in mind, am left wondering why you chose not to to share it.
I posted it to refute the notion that anything is coming from the bottom.
This is the result of the efforts of our wealthiest and most successful Americans.
The paradox being that group has also provided excellent service that could not be provided by anyone else.
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It all comes from the bottom and works it’s way up. Leaders are leaders only if they have followers.
 
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Hempy McNoodle

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Gry said:
Hempy, Smedley Butler was someone that I had idolised since I was quite young, was back in mid seventies when I last looked in to
the life of Smedley Butler.
It was my recollection, that he stated plainly that he had only been provided info through MccGuire, and that he had not been able to speak with tj
It having been almost fifty years since I spent time looking him up, I thought it would be appropiraate to glance over the available material prior to proceeding.
"The New York Times reported that Butler had told friends that General Hugh S. Johnson, former head of the National Recovery Administration, was to be installed as dictator, and that the J.P. Morgan banking firm was behind the plot."
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This fascist coup was the big rabbit hole that got me started digging and deep diving into the deeper conspiracy theories and connecting dots. And, like you, I could use a bit of a refresher on some things, as I was mostly looking into this in the 2000s. But I found it remarkable and uncoincidental that the same corporations that were behind the coup were also behind the conspiracy to make hemp (cannabis) illegal (not only in the US, but also coordinated world-wide). And, some of them were also involved in supporting the Nazi regime in Germany.

I don't remember where or how exactly I came to understand that FDR was to remain a figurehead for the coup. And, the internet of today is not the same as the internet of the 2000s. Research into these topics was so much easier and effective in the 2000s. What I can say, is that I distinctly remember that this coup attempt is how I first heard the term 'figurehead' and its meaning, and it pertained to FDR remaining in place. I think the coup was supposed to be more of a covert and silent coup than many imagine it would have been. Was it to be a violent coup or simply a soft coup?

I remember that my dad was also looking into the coup around the same time as I was because we found out about it by watching the documentary 'The Corporation' together. My dad read that FDR did not push back on the coup because he wanted to use the threat of prosecution against the participants as leverage to pass The New Deal. But, there was never any evidence or any supporting information for that line of thinking. And, for many reasons, that just simply did not make much sense. As a sidenote, Oliver Stone suggested, in his documentary series, 'The Untold History of the United States' that the "real reason" behind FDR's push for The New Deal was to pacify a growing socialist movement in the US, particularly among the working class.
 
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Hempy McNoodle

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Gry said:
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Hempy, you used the term in the plural form.
I see a single name that I recognize as having a connection with the plot.
Am left with the impression that accuracy and integrity hold no value to you.
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Well, the only one I'm not certain about here is Cargill (though I suspect they are tied in, easily). Obviously Du Pont was involved. So, that leaves Monsanto...

Was Monsanto involved? Yes. Monsanto is now owned by Bayer. Bayer was one of the main corporations behind the coup. So, Monsanto is Bayer. Bayer also happened to be a Nazi company and owns much responsibility for the extermination of the Jews and others in Nazi Germany's death camp gas chambers.

(Bayer was part of IG Farben, the company that made Zyclon B)
 
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You’re being forced to drink the Flavoraide or do you have free will? Are we all just puppets of the rich and famous? Did the Koch brothers organize your local militia? Did they sew the sheets into hoods? Did they storm the Capital? Those were actions undertaken by citizens . It was the mood of the country that lead us into Iraq. The term “sand n….” was used profoundly. Flags were in the gutter. Many joined the military to help eradicate another country. For that, they expect praise and special privileges.
 
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So, it turns out that officer Sicknick was texting people that the "insurrectionists" were Antifa, before he mysteriously died and the media lied about the cause of death ("fire extinguisher to the head"). I wonder if the the fake news or unselect committee will find this development noteworthy... :chin:
 
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Yes sir, the one koch bro remaining and others of that like have indeed financed those who are capable
of organising a milita, and the costs associated with doing so. They have spent more than most would
ever believe to make things as they are. They gladly paid the tab for costs involved with Jan 6th, Gini
Thomas transport inc. etc etc.
It was the mood of the country that led us in to Iraq. You seem to recall things very differently than do I.
An awareness of who got the first oil contract out of that country confirmed what we all knew in our hearts.
As for the derogatory slang terms used, it is a part of war and has been for as long as war has been.
As for your claim that many joined to destroy another country, thanks for sharing your twisted perspective.
Am left feeling much the same as I did as I saw the ease with which hempy was willing to
brand one hell of a lot of people as Nazis.
Veterans and the military have been a large part of my life, and I think well of them.
Veterans have the strongest antiwar convictions I have ever seen.
It has been my experience that we find what we look for in life.
 
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Hempy McNoodle

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Gry said:
As for your claim that many joined to destroy another country, thanks for sharing your twisted perspective.
Am left feeling much the same as I did as I saw the ease with which hempy was willing to
brand one hell of a lot of people as Nazis.
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*Neo-Nazis, Gry. It's an important distinction.

'Nazis' pertain to Phase 2.
'Neo-Nazis' pertain to Phase 3.
 
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Gry said:
Yes sir, the one koch bro remaining and others of that like have indeed financed those who are capable
of organising a milita, and the costs associated with doing so. They have spent more than most would
ever believe to make things as they are. They gladly paid the tab for costs involved with Jan 6th, Gini
Thomas transport inc. etc etc.
It was the mood of the country that led us in to Iraq.
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Are you really that Self-Deceived ?

The mood of the country in 1991 was neutral about Iraq - in some locations.

In San Francisco, it was an overwhelming anti-war sentiment that scared the shit out of the US government and Israel.

So they resorted to Fraud to sell the second Iraq war - as we all know.

It wasn't the mood of the country that got the country "into Iraq" in 2003 - it was US government lies, and Israel's land-clearing operation.

Getting rid of any Arab who would stand to defend his country, in any country near Israel. And then, even in Africa.

www.nytimes.com

WAR IN THE GULF: Antiwar Rallies; DAY OF PROTESTS IS THE BIGGEST YET (Published 1991)

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

After the antiwar protests in 1991, the US government and Israel engaged in a Massive Land-clearing operation - in the US - to get rid of anybody who would stand in their way in 2003.

It was programmatic & comprehensive. Every Single high-tech leader - or potential leader.

I witnessed it. The US government offered me a LOT of money to join their Psychopathic programs.

The US government has a pattern. They lie, not once or twice, but almost continuously.

In Admiral James Stockdale's book about Vietnam, "In Love and War", he describes his experience as the Senior Flyer at the Gulf of Tonkin.

They spent about 6 hours attacking the South China Sea - on August 5, 1964.

He states clearly, there was not a single North Vietnamese vessel in site.

"There were no boats". No Vietnamese airplanes.

Nothing except open ocean, on which they were ordered to fire.

The next day, he was ordered to begin the "reprisal" for the alleged attack. On August 6, 1964.

The US government lied the US into war in 1964, in 1991, and 2002 and 2003.

And yes, some Americans are stupid enough to go along, and to swallow the "my country Right or Wrong" bullshit.
 
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Every armed conflict we have been involved with post WWI, has been optional.
You seem to have trouble following what I wrote. I quoted hh's statement of
"It was the mood of the country that led us in to Iraq. " I responded to it, with:
" You seem to recall things very differently than do I." Which I followed with:
"An awareness of who got the first oil contract out of that country confirmed what we all knew in our hearts."
If that sounds like a "My county right or wrong attitude" to you, then you sir are having issues with comprehension.

My spouse was caught up in the unending combat tours in Iraq.
When her time was up they offered to make her a Colonel and 300 grand to extend her time.
Nam was no different than any other conflict, with respect to how it started.
If you pick up a copy of Fletcher Prouty's "The secret team", there is an
interesting section where near the end of WWII, just after Japan had been hit with the nukes.
Fletcher was on a group of islands on which supplies had been stacked in preparation
for the invasion of Japan which would have taken place had the nukes not functioned correctly.
He saw the harbormaster, and he asked him if all the gear would be shipped backto the states.
He was told no, and then reeled off where it would go.
Fully half of it was headed to what we call Vietnam today.
We frequently target countries years prior to going in.
You may recall a list of five targeted countries a Bush administration attempted to run up the flagpole,
or down our throats.
 
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Gry said:
Yes sir, the one koch bro remaining and others of that like have indeed financed those who are capable
of organising a milita, and the costs associated with doing so. They have spent more than most would
ever believe to make things as they are. They gladly paid the tab for costs involved with Jan 6th, Gini
Thomas transport inc. etc etc.
It was the mood of the country that led us in to Iraq. You seem to recall things very differently than do I.
An awareness of who got the first oil contract out of that country confirmed what we all knew in our hearts.
As for the derogatory slang terms used, it is a part of war and has been for as long as war has been.
As for your claim that many joined to destroy another country, thanks for sharing your twisted perspective.
Am left feeling much the same as I did as I saw the ease with which hempy was willing to
brand one hell of a lot of people as Nazis.
Veterans and the military have been a large part of my life, and I think well of them.
Veterans have the strongest antiwar convictions I have ever seen.
It has been my experience that we find what we look for in life.
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They have?
It was the mood of the country that allowed Iraq to happen.
I guess that makes derogatory acceptable.
 
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Hempy McNoodle said:
This fascist coup was the big rabbit hole that got me started digging and deep diving into the deeper conspiracy theories and connecting dots. And, like you, I could use a bit of a refresher on some things, as I was mostly looking into this in the 2000s. But I found it remarkable and uncoincidental that the same corporations that were behind the coup were also behind the conspiracy to make hemp (cannabis) illegal (not only in the US, but also coordinated world-wide). And, some of them were also involved in supporting the Nazi regime in Germany.

I don't remember where or how exactly I came to understand that FDR was to remain a figurehead for the coup. And, the internet of today is not the same as the internet of the 2000s. Research into these topics was so much easier and effective in the 2000s. What I can say, is that I distinctly remember that this coup attempt is how I first heard the term 'figurehead' and its meaning, and it pertained to FDR remaining in place. I think the coup was supposed to be more of a covert and silent coup than many imagine it would have been. Was it to be a violent coup or simply a soft coup?

I remember that my dad was also looking into the coup around the same time as I was because we found out about it by watching the documentary 'The Corporation' together. My dad read that FDR did not push back on the coup because he wanted to use the threat of prosecution against the participants as leverage to pass The New Deal. But, there was never any evidence or any supporting information for that line of thinking. And, for many reasons, that just simply did not make much sense. As a sidenote, Oliver Stone suggested, in his documentary series, 'The Untold History of the United States' that the "real reason" behind FDR's push for The New Deal was to pacify a growing socialist movement in the US, particularly among the working class.
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C'mon Hempy. We all know the first you heard of that coup attempt was when Gry brought it up a long while back.
 
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The Hollowing Out of the US obviously started with the Murder of JFK in 1963.

59 years would be approximately 3 generations.

For those interested in tracking this history, I suggest tracking the career & death of William Colby.

en.wikipedia.org

William Colby - Wikipedia

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He objected to the total domination of the CIA by Israel, and it cost him his life in 1996.

After that there was nobody left in the Terrorism community to stand up to Israel, which is what they needed because they were preparing for 9-11.

For more info on that preparation, I recommend Anton Chaitkin's book, "The Ugly Truth about the ADL".


The Israeli government simply used the ADL, as a base for operations. The San Francisco Police Department was TEMPORARILY investigating the ADL.
 
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