top of the heap to third world status in one generation

[Gry]

Coke appeared in massive quantities after Regan was told no to funding the Contra's by Congress.
Will always remember him holding up a tee shirt which said on it "I am a Conta Too" .
Should have read " I will make America will suffer because Congress said no to me "

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Seeing El Chapo in the news and watching shithead throw his wall tantrum makes me wonder if he is somehow losing money on the coke and heroin trade.

 

[Gry]

The Flint water situation is a disgrace. I'm sure there are dozens if not more water systems in the US that are just as bad.

Instead of sending billions to other countries...let's fix our own shit.

Dozen's ? Try thousands, with it getting rapidly worse due to the kind of
deregulation our new hero has imposed.
This is far from new.
During the second world war, we flat out did not give a flying fuck about anything other than massive production... cost and pollution be damned.
Which left us with a legacy that was a fuck of a lot easier to bury and ignore, than to reconcile ourselves to cleaning up.
Cleaning up pollution is far more expensive than a solid disinformation program.
Were it only billions being spent, we would still be in fine shape financially.

 

[Gry]

An 86% percent decline in Monarch butterflies in a single year...

 

[Dirt Bag]

An 86% percent decline in Monarch butterflies in a single year...

Source!? Rather unbelievable. I want to talk with the guy that counted.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Source!? Rather unbelievable. I want to talk with the guy that counted.

They have been documenting their decline for years. They all migrate to the same forest in Mexico. Which is becoming a subdivision.

 

[Dirt Bag]

They have been documenting their decline for years. They all migrate to the same forest in Mexico. Which is becoming a subdivision.

Who is "they"? Where did Gry come up with 86%? It's just internet dribble without documentation, Chief.

 

[Gry]

Dirt, Contact info is at the bottom, just for you.
Western Monarch Butterflies Continue to Decline
Annual census of monarchs overwintering on the California coast reveals the lowest number of butterflies in recent years.
PORTLAND, Ore.; February 2, 2018—An annual census of monarch butterflies overwintering along California’s coast reveals that populations in western North America are at their lowest point in five years, despite recovery efforts. Volunteers with the Xerces Society’s Western Monarch Thanksgiving Count visited more sites this past year than have ever been counted since the survey began in 1997, yet they tallied fewer than 200,000 monarchs.
“This year’s numbers indicate a continuing decline in the monarch population,” noted Sarina Jepsen, the Xerces Society’s endangered species program director. “Two decades ago, more than 1.2 million monarchs were recorded from far fewer coastal sites, and just last year nearly 300,000 monarchs were observed at almost the same number of sites.”
Population estimates at individual sites also suggest that the western monarch population has continued to shrink. Of the 15 sites which have been monitored annually for more than two decades, 11 had lower counts than last year.
“Counts at some of the state’s largest sites were dramatically lower,” said Emma Pelton, conservation biologist with the Xerces Society. “Pismo Beach State Park was down by 38%, a private site in Big Sur was down by 50%, and the Monarch Butterfly Sanctuary in Pacific Grove was down 57%, from 17,100 to just 7,350 butterflies.”
The few sites in which monarch numbers remained stable or increased compared to 2016, include Natural Bridges State Park, Moran Lake, and Lighthouse Field State Park, all in Santa Cruz County.
Monarch butterflies that spend the winter within forested groves along California’s central coast are born on milkweed throughout western states, traveling to the coast from as far away as Arizona, Utah, Idaho, and Washington. The western population of monarchs has undergone a long term decline that mirrors the trend observed at overwintering sites in the mountains of central Mexico, where monarchs from both the eastern and western U.S. also spend the winter.
In the late 1990s, a small group of monarch enthusiasts in California became concerned that there appeared to be fewer and fewer monarchs each year and started the Western Monarch Thanksgiving Count. The WMTC is the longest running, most comprehensive effort to monitor overwintering monarchs in California. The count occurs during a three-week period centered on Thanksgiving. Biologists, land managers, and citizen scientists visit overwintering sites year after year to monitor the butterflies.
Growing awareness and willingness to volunteer to aid in monarch conservation, coupled with added Western Monarch Thanksgiving Count trainings for new volunteers, led to a successful monarch monitoring season. Nearly 150 volunteers covered a record 262 sites this year. Many participants also took part in the second annual New Year’s Count, the results of which are still being tallied and will be reported in late-February.
Two of the newest regional coordinators organized volunteers to collect data from areas known to historically host small numbers of overwintering monarchs, but which have not been surveyed for the Thanksgiving count in over a decade. Saul Riatiga surveyed sites in Baja, Mexico, extending the count into a region that is generally overlooked, and Rachel Williams of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service visited remote sites in the Saline Valley of the northern Mojave Desert. Monarchs were successfully found in both areas.
The Saline Valley has some of the hardest to reach overwintering sites. Williams recruited 34 surveyors intrepid enough to tackle rocky terrain and dense vegetation to learn more about these unique sites and the butterflies that inhabit them. A total of 145 monarchs were counted in 3 of the 5 canyons surveyed.
This fall and winter have been challenging seasons for the residents of California, with unseasonably warm temperatures, wildfires, smoke, and mudslides; we do not yet know the impacts of these events on late season migrating and breeding monarchs.
The Xerces Society received numerous reports of late season breeding, and fewer clusters this fall, suggesting that some monarchs may have arrived at overwintering sites later and stayed active longer. The low estimate of monarchs this year may be attributable, in part, to later than average clustering. Regardless, monarch butterflies are at risk of extinction and action is needed across their range to bring them back.
The count is made possible by returning volunteers, new recruits, and dedicated regional coordinators including Mia Monroe who co-coordinates the count with the Xerces Society, Bill Shepard, Christina Garcia, Martha Nitzberg, Nick Stong, Jessica Griffiths, Charis van der Heide, Rick Hansen, Saul Riatiga, and Rachel Williams. Financial support for the 2017 WMTC came from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the Hind Foundation, and the San Diego Zoo.
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Citation for graph & data: Xerces Society Western Monarch Thanksgiving Count. 2018. Western Monarch Thanksgiving Count Data, 1997–2017. Available at: www.westernmonarchcount.org (For a full list of contributors, see: westernmonarchcount.org/about.) Click Here for larger version.


For More Information
The data from and information about the Western Monarch Thanksgiving Count is at www.westernmonarchcount.org
Read more about Xerces’ Monarch Conservation Campaign, including efforts to conserve overwintering sites in California and restore breeding habitat in key regions of the United States at www.xerces.org/monarchs
To report non-overwintering monarch and milkweed sightings in the West, visit:
www.monarchmilkweedmapper.org
The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation
Headquarters: 628 NE Broadway Ste. 200, Portland OR 97232 USA • Mailing Address for Donations: P.O. Box 97387 Washington, D.C. 20090-7387
Tel: 503.232.6639 • Fax: 503.233.6794

 

[Gry]

Have had very grave concerns about what was within the Patriot Act from the first time I heard of it.
Heard an interesting interview with the author of the following which touches upon the issue.

What the President Could Do If He Declares a State of Emergency

From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

 

[Gry]

Someone mentioned odd LA history the other day.


https://the-wanderling.com/la_ufo.html


No idea why it reads suspect.
Comes up clean from bookmarks .
It's worth an exemption.
Enjoy the trip.

 

[vta]

retarded ass pointless wall.

And just how is it pointless ?

Or retarded ? Oh..beware, we have some snooty mf'ers here who wouldn't take lite on the mental shaming or whatever the freaks freak out about nowadays.

I like the idea of a wall. A big, 30 foot ugly ass wall.

"Keep the Fuck Out"...the sign's every 50 feet should say.

Then...deport the 50 million here and their anchor babies too.

I watched California turn into literal shit hole.

Now, just today...our new Governor...Gavin Newsom...declared..."Sanctuary to All Who Seek it”

Fantastic ! Raise my taxes ! Just in time for the new 12,000 member caravan headed this way from Guatemala.

 

[redlaser]

Pointless to those of us that don’t want to pay for someone else’s promises.

Like I’ve mentioned before, it’s a xenophobic campaign promise from a con man.

And big wup over 12,000 or 50 or 500,000 caravans headed north, you do realize a border exists already and a process to admit or not, right?

We had more illegal crossings stopped in 1972 than we had in 2017, so there is no bullshit “crisis” at the border.

350,000 in 1972, 323,000 in 2017.

You can look that up on border patrol website, but it’s a government website shut down because of chump holding it hostage over the wall

A fraction of that 26 billion guesstimated for the wall would be exponentially better spent almost anywhere else.

 

[yesum]

The crisis has been going on for decades so you got that right^^. A wall around california would be nice too. I live here and remember when it was decent, around 1972 as a matter of fact.

Xenophobia, does that include having freeways clogged all the time? Emergency rooms, all types of social services maxed out, 'public servants' pensions killing the state, having far left dimocrats ruling everyone? Legal and illegal immigrants brought that. Big government and left leaning goons are what they tend to.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I lived in California between 1978 - 1982 - and was put in hospital for months after being attacked by 5 Mexican fellas from Chiapas - all illegals.

So I understand the problem - and we are seeing this sort of problem in the UK these days more and more - same all over Europe.

 

[Gry]

How loudly did you complain when Ronni choose to stop prosecuting employers for hiring those without papers ?
Done at the behest of his corporate brethren in the meat packing and construction industries who wanted to eliminate their unions.
The corporate crony class set out out to change the country, and they certainly did so.
Let's give credit where it is due. It was not Mexicans that shipped jobs to China.

 

[Dirt Bag]

Objections come from the ignorant uneducated, of which there are many.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Immigration is good, but has to be controlled. If you want your economy to boom, increase your population. It takes a generation or two to "teach" immigrant families how to live in the western world. Why do you think post WW2 was the "golden age"? Because of the increase in population thanks to the baby boom. But that generation didn't have to assimilate. They went to work buying things and paying taxes right away.

Keeping the illegals illegal is only slowing the assimilation process. Don't get me wrong, I like what Trump wants to do, but his execution sucks lemons because he won't listen to the experts and wants it done today when it's a multi year-multi generation project. Building the wall won't stop it. At all. The initial Trump decision to deny DACA immigrants is an example of his idiotic refusal to listen to government experts (the people who really run the government and advise the president).

I will tell you one thing though, the countries who are treating their people so bad that they're willing to risk their lives running away will suffer the consequences with severe economic depressions that will last 100 years or more. Notice that the immigrants are ALL people of a productive working age and their children. We stopped calling those countries 3rd world because they're emerging. Well they're going backwards from emerging back to the 3rd world.

Don't think for one instant that Foreign Aid is dished out because we feed bad for them and want to help. Every decision we make has an economic reason behind it. Helping them with Aid (financial, farming, equipment, etc), is supposed to help countries emerge from poverty, increase people's standard of living to the point that they start staying home and even start purchasing our widgets and services. That's why companies invest in poor countries. To get in on the ground floor. But these efforts are multi generational and take decades to produce returns. If there's one thing the west is good at, it's waiting and planning for the future. Corruption in one of these "shit hole countries" is one way to invite a bigger (usually western) country to invade and try to make things right. The world is very complicated. The long term economic plans of the 1% more so.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

And just how is it pointless ?

Or retarded ? Oh..beware, we have some snooty mf'ers here who wouldn't take lite on the mental shaming or whatever the freaks freak out about nowadays.

I like the idea of a wall. A big, 30 foot ugly ass wall.

"Keep the Fuck Out"...the sign's every 50 feet should say.

Then...deport the 50 million here and their anchor babies too.

I watched California turn into literal shit hole.

Now, just today...our new Governor...Gavin Newsom...declared..."Sanctuary to All Who Seek it”

Fantastic ! Raise my taxes ! Just in time for the new 12,000 member caravan headed this way from Guatemala.

https://youtu.be/RTQDwSVMdNg

Because it is ignorant! Period

 

[Gry]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Guatemala is a country that was raped wholesale for 90 years by United Fruit on behalf the leading families of Boston. They trotted the military down there repeatedly when their private army of thugs could not keep an enslaved population working cheap enough.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If we look at events that took place in that country in the fifties, we will see a group of people, that show up repeatedly at the oddest times and places.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bay of Pigs comes to mind easily, Dallas when JFK was killed, and again when there 'complications with an investigation in New Orleans".[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then again at Watergate, and again when Carter was pushed out of office and it just continues on . [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If one had any interest in stopping fleeing refugees, it would make sense to look at what and why they flee.
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[theJointedOne]

Gry bringing the fire!!!

Fuck chump trump, bitch ass

How can anyone relate to this bumbaclot?