Tom Hill Haze

[mexcurandero420]

So all the Thai grown in Thailand by farmers and then bought by middlemen that had it sent to Bangkok where it was then graded and packed and then sold to smugglers back in the day to then be exported out to places like the US was that from Laos too ?

How many times did you score and smoke Thai sticks back in the 70s and 80s ?

Did you see any Laos sticks or Vietnamese sticks back then, I know I never did.

Sam's post.

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A strong Thai influence is what was posted, not a strong Laos or Vietnamese influence.

That news item above was from 1976. The US government did put pressure on the Thai government at the time to tackle down the Cannabis trade and opium btw too. Hue helicopters were supplied to the Thai government to search the land.

I had an uncle who was in Saigon from '69-'73 to investigate corruption & drug trade by the VCN. Found his name in several books.Don't know if Cannabis was involved too.

You're sure the Haze brothers didn't grow indica's?

 

[ledo]

@led05 What are the specific SE Asia lines I can run that have the sharp clean pine needle profile.

private Cambodian & Laotian lines shared amongst friends but the primary terps on them are sweet pine, mint, citrus, rosemary, menthol, lemon blossoms…. (which is pretty much eucalyptus broken down) and then in some of the Laotian that sun heated plastic smell or freshly rocked up blow smell….. I still have many more old Laotian seeds to grow for first time; I’ll mix the best together & eventually (if worthy) make them available & share @…

IME those terps & region is the pathway to extremely potent, trippy and accumulating cannabis that’s almost impossible to compare to any others

As mentioned the Older versions of New Caledonia have those terps too, not the ones that came later a certain large seed bank sells… I’m growing a roomful now & the majority have this but an even more sweet side to it vs say some Laotian which have a more dark end / plastic in sun chemically / menthols vibe

Peace

 

[ledo]

The Silk cut was listed in big book of buds 1st addition..late 90's. Don't give up on Nevil's hazes brother. I have been hunting for what was lost in the early 90's for decades at varying passes. Hell of a lot of hay and dark or empty highs. It's in there and a lot of people are bringing it back...it is fairly bottlenecked between a couple primary parents at this time, but things are happening.

 

[revegeta666]

Hell of a lot of hay and dark or empty highs.

Out of curiosity, could you give us an example or two of the darkest or most unpleasant highs you found in the line?

 

[@hempy]

I had an uncle who was in Saigon from '69-'73 to investigate corruption & drug trade by the VCN. Found his name in several books.Don't know if Cannabis was involved too.

The cartel that formed during the Nam war exported the bulk of what we as in all of us smoked in the way of Thai sticks through until exports stopped in 84/85.

You're sure the Haze brothers didn't grow indica's?

Well, after bigherb posted that the Haze brothers were brokers, nothing would surprise me now they could be Aliens for all we know and Haze originates from a different planet being its own subspecies not indica or sativa.

 

[Stoneguru]

Out of curiosity, could you give us an example or two of the darkest or most unpleasant highs you found in the line?

Not going there. Still working through that shit man.

 

[ledo]

The Haze one reads like dumb AI especially

Common theme - Cross out cross out cross out…..

 

[ledo]

Not going there. Still working through that shit man.

So it was that good; nice !

 

[revegeta666]

Not going there. Still working through that shit man.

Sounds fun

 

[@hempy]

I have always been interested in the background of any line I grew, in the old days it was simple the genetics we grew ether came from someone's travels were they had collected the seed, or it was seed found in imported lots.

Once the retail seed seen started, we only had the story coming from the seed companies, and a lot of that is marketing.

Anyone that grew up smoking in the 70s that grow Haze now will pick up 2 main types in Haze, those being Thai types and Colombians. The rest of it (the story) no longer has any importance, as the waters have been so muddied it's no longer fit for consumption.

 

[Stoneguru]

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There's an image and the caption describes it and then makes an inference that seems to question its origin. @beyond organics on IG has been doing line work with the pure Nigerian silk seed for some years and improved some aspects. He sent me the captions while we where comparing traits on our projects sorting out The Nigerian Silk and 5haze isolations.

Right now I'm working with JJ's Nigerian F1. The first make in all the Nigerian Silk work. Nigerian Silk clone only x 5haze. I asked JJ about it directly because I was getting hits that I hadn't found on decades of other 5haze.

He said it was an original. The first from Sensi before they changed the packaging. So it wS just repack TSB Nevil's. . All of them have the original 5haze trait so far. Nigerian Silk effects synergize with the C male very well. It's progeny ranked in all of the Piffcons so far. They all track back to JJ'select of that so these would be 5 siblings to that..

It's not as relevant to THH so I'll probably leave it at that. I will not be able to do a large Hunt on Posi for awhile so I am interested to know about what people find in there and hold as keepers

 

[ledo]

There's an image and the caption describes it and then makes an inference that seems to question its origin. @beyond organics on IG has been doing line work with the pure Nigerian silk seed for some years and improved some aspects. He sent me the captions while we where comparing traits on our projects sorting out The Nigerian Silk and 5haze isolations.

Right now I'm working with JJ's Nigerian F1. The first make in all the Nigerian Silk work. Nigerian Silk clone only x 5haze. I asked JJ about it directly because I was getting hits that I hadn't found on decades of other 5haze.

He said it was an original. The first from Sensi before they changed the packaging. So it wS just repack TSB Nevil's. . All of them have the original 5haze trait so far. Nigerian Silk effects synergize with the C male very well. It's progeny ranked in all of the Piffcons so far. They all track back to JJ'select of that so these would be 5 siblings to that..

It's not as relevant to THH so I'll probably leave it at that. I will not be able to do a large Hunt on Posi for awhile so I am interested to know about what people find in there and hold as keepers

I’ve got a few things from e.T that used that Nigerian (JJ’s) in X’s, I know he spoke highly of the Nigerian too, one was a X to Mexican, I need to circle back to them one of these days, far too many options not enough time.

I went through every strain listed in the book page by page, didn’t see anything on a Nigerian unfortunately, it’s not a first edition though, probably 13-15 years ago I bought them, most recent copyright shows 2001 for Book #1

 

[Stoneguru]

I’ve got a few things from e.T that used that Nigerian (JJ’s) in X’s, I know he spoke highly of the Nigerian too, one was a X to Mexican, I need to circle back to them one of these days, far too many options not enough time.

I went through every strain listed in the book page by page, didn’t see anything on a Nigerian unfortunately, it’s not a first edition though, probably 13-15 years ago I bought them, most recent copyright shows 2001 for Book #1

There is never enough time or resources for every curiosity but a deep dive on a few at least.

I think the © was '99 and the caption made it sound as though it had been around a while at that time. I can reach out to R and ask specifically.I was popping every possible haze pack as I had for years. Varying quality, but Always empty relative to what it was. Then I get a hit in a Mango Silk. I bought every pack at every vendor and then every other cross available with those genetics.

I lost the backup on the old 5haze type in the first MS pack. I got hazy after years of nothing. It was just like I described previously except the high was not as riveting. The original wasn't even in the same category. More jarring than concentrate. Definitely something other than just THC going on.

Anyway, I ran everything. 88 Mango Silk. 2 outliers made what I work with now. Maybe half dozen other NS and ~150 plants. Crosses with other familiar hybrids.

Nigerian Silk tends to upgrade everything it touches and lose itself in the process. I never did find that type again in the couple hundred since. Absolutely off the hook hazes of every type metal mango hardwood, ozone, most refined frankincense imaginable. But not the one lol

I run ET's Nigerian cut. I think it's around 28%>. It's carrot funk. Very potent, but loose the nuance. I think it was actually crossed with kromes white at one point. I did get a hint of the type in Rafiki the uses Et's and A5.

It unlocked it from deeper in the A5 side. I think the A5 has been the best of what can be had recently, but most of the old timers seem to agree that it is not the one they called A5. I agree with that. It's a good haze. However, it isn't a whole different category of cannabis and the real deal most definitely is and no one who smoked one of those would ever disagree with that assertion.

On the flip side. Now there's a lot of people running real numbers doing outcrosses and line work which is pulling the types further and further apart. The recombination after this. I believe does hold the potential to restore some of the old ones.

 

[Stoneguru]

There is never enough time or resources for every curiosity but a deep dive on a few at least.

I think the © was '99 and the caption made it sound as though it had been around a while at that time. I can reach out to R and ask specifically.I was popping every possible haze pack as I had for years. Varying quality, but Always empty relative to what it was. Then I get a hit in a Mango Silk. I bought every pack at every vendor and then every other cross available with those genetics.

I lost the backup on the old 5haze type in the first MS pack. I got hazy after years of nothing. It was just like I described previously except the high was not as riveting. The original wasn't even in the same category. More jarring than concentrate. Definitely something other than just THC going on.

Anyway, I ran everything. 88 Mango Silk. 2 outliers made what I work with now. Maybe half dozen other NS and ~150 plants. Crosses with other familiar hybrids.

Nigerian Silk tends to upgrade everything it touches and lose itself in the process. I never did find that type again in the couple hundred since. Absolutely off the hook hazes of every type metal mango hardwood, ozone, most refined frankincense imaginable. But not the one lol

I run ET's Nigerian cut. I think it's around 28%>. It's carrot funk. Very potent, but loose the nuance. I think it was actually crossed with kromes white at one point. I did get a hint of the type in Rafiki the uses Et's and A5.

It unlocked it from deeper in the A5 side. I think the A5 has been the best of what can be had recently, but most of the old timers seem to agree that it is not the one they called A5. I agree with that. It's a good haze. However, it isn't a whole different category of cannabis and the real deal most definitely is and no one who smoked one of those would ever disagree with that assertion.

On the flip side. Now there's a lot of people running real numbers doing outcrosses and line work which is pulling the types further and further apart. The recombination after this. I believe does hold the potential to restore some of the old ones.

I also went and bought anything and everything land race Nigerian . Drag corra etc. neat plans but nothing on par with the Nigerian silk which in all likelihood came from Nevil's first year of seed before 5haze where he sold Nigerian and a couple others.

I'll try to rifle through my mess of photos and find some captioned photos and snippets

 

[ledo]

On the flip side. Now there's a lot of people running real numbers doing outcrosses and line work which is pulling the types further and further apart. The recombination after this. I believe does hold the potential to restore some of the old ones.

Yes ^!

You run the SMC Purple Colombian cut yet from e.T that is from Zamalito? I mixed it with an old SMG huesos/wesos shared with me, great old school pure Colombian, tons of potent frankincense in there.

He also shared with me too many others to mention but SMC/ Durban too which I X’d to SMG too making SMC/Durban x SMG which later became known as Durlumbo; that shit kicks out some incredible things I’ve worked a bit on…

Durlumbo

Personally I’m of the mindset whatever has been created can be again & even surpassed, especially with all we have at our disposal w cannabis today

I mean think of….

All this shit from the same plant

And again

Pretty cool

 

[Raco]

 

[Raco]

...what about the mexican in Haze?

 

[@hempy]

what about the mexican in Haze?

Shhh you will upset the purist who still think Haze is an all Colombian hybrid

 

[Stoneguru]

...what about the mexican in Haze?

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Right in the heart of it! One of the standout traits of the best hazes that I remember was trichome covered stems.

I put out the question of which landraces had needle stems covered in trichomes to the trunk and asked for pictures. Every response posted was a Mexican line.

The only Mexican line I ran was MO Acapulco Gold bx. A ~40 year cut. That one had trich stems as well. It had some sharp pine top notes, but also bitter lime peel and acrid acetone that I didn't like.

However, the sharp camphore eucalyptus top notes of something like the Mekong Green types in Viet 164 or Snowhighs Dalat cut...

that combined with the the right Mexican that also has the top notes might cancel out the less desirable profiles and double down on a more complex synergy.

I don't know that I will dive into that particular Acapulco line, though it was good. Any other Mexican lines Ya'll think is worth a closer look and or linked threads?

Any THH have that? I got the impression Tom culls the Mex in haze if he can...rather aggressively like a cannabis ice agent

 

[ledo]

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Lovely ^ looks similar; these sadly finished last month + of her life under cool weak sun but hard to complain