Thai stick were made by the Hmong. They stopped with the trade and the Thai took it over, only they didn't know how the Hmong did it.
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A lot of these stories are just that mex,
They are written to fill magazines and are not so factual and more some story weaved by a journalist with the odd bit of reality sown in to make them believable..
This one is a good example..
Stone guru
Sup brother
Always Interesting post i appreciate your sharing of thoughts and experiences .
If I recall you touched on the leaflet growing from a leaf . I experienced this with KillerA5 also calyx from the leaf . Seems to be from NL5 genes . I dont recall pics or reports from Haze With this growth
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best description of what i'm smoking yet
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Dutchgrown said:
A predominately pissy pine, with a slight hint of spice I'd call akin to sandalwood...although certainly dominated by the pine flavor throughout (being more pronounced).
someone finally nailed it, this is the very best description of the shit that i have seen, describes what i would refer to as the number 4 plant of the original haze.
imho, it smells like cat piss a bit late in flower and after the cure takes on the pine, sandalwood was the word!
it had to be the Nam Rengo Kyo
Post above Happyhi referenced the Original Haze Gold Pheno
Soo similar to what we Grew up smoking in NYC . This description above is very similar to All my Nevilles Experiences
Frankies Haze
Raw Spicy Frankincense
Didn't have that bright note , Not piney or that metallic you mentioned with C5 Hybrids.
Unc Dr Purpur
Shared a love of Frankincense, One of His ATF I recall was Cambodian Red he tells of this Magical Smoke
Sup brother
Always Interesting post i appreciate your sharing of thoughts and experiences .
If I recall you touched on the leaflet growing from a leaf . I experienced this with KillerA5 also calyx from the leaf . Seems to be from NL5 genes . I dont recall pics or reports from Haze With this growth
happyhi
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Jan 12, 2010
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best description of what i'm smoking yet
best description of what i'm smoking yet
Dutchgrown said:
A predominately pissy pine, with a slight hint of spice I'd call akin to sandalwood...although certainly dominated by the pine flavor throughout (being more pronounced).
someone finally nailed it, this is the very best description of the shit that i have seen, describes what i would refer to as the number 4 plant of the original haze.
imho, it smells like cat piss a bit late in flower and after the cure takes on the pine, sandalwood was the word!
it had to be the Nam Rengo Kyo
Post above Happyhi referenced the Original Haze Gold Pheno
Soo similar to what we Grew up smoking in NYC . This description above is very similar to All my Nevilles Experiences
Frankies Haze
Raw Spicy Frankincense
Didn't have that bright note , Not piney or that metallic you mentioned with C5 Hybrids.
Unc Dr Purpur
Shared a love of Frankincense, One of His ATF I recall was Cambodian Red he tells of this Magical Smoke
If I recall it's in the cannabible
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Thai Stick,” grown by the hill tribes in northeast Thailand, was some of the highest quality marijuana found in the '70s. The hill tribes of Thailand generally used silk line to hold “Thai buds” together around either bamboo sticks or hemp stalks.
The groups are; Lisu, Mien, Palaung, Karen, Hmong, Akha and Lahu.
From my understanding, many of these tribes are also found in Laos /Cambodia/Vietnam/Burma
Some things never Change I See
Only a THIA Master would know the origins
Don't take everything literal in the Article
My point is the 3 brothers mentioned and the other option the Possibility of G and RL being the guys interviewed by RR
.We all know RR did several High times Interviews with the three brothers . Has any Haze enthusiast tried to contact him for confirmation ?
If you take a moment
It says it in the article (read that picture below start Top right for details ).
There are 3 brothers and they spoke of the Haze Origins beginning with the Surfer boy AKA G, talks about bringing gear back east
They mention Bright Golden haze they were about to Roll up , they actually mentioned all 4 Main Original Haze Phenos
Gold , Purple , Silver And the Favorite of the Year Green
Soo Tell me without this Humor Seriously
Do you believe that ( not sure exact dates)
in 80 - 82 the Haze Brothers J and RL came From California to NYC during Several Trips to do several Articles for High Times
Or that as I was Told and have shared
3 Brothers from NJ went to UCSC College and it's more likely when they made Trips back home they did these interviews with RR for High Times
Look at that Legendary Smoke Report of Bright Golden Haze from Connoisseur R pic Below
Sams Last suggest it was a colombian Hybrid .Shhh you will upset the purist who still think Haze is an all Colombian hybrid
You still believe you know the Origins better than him . On a stack of bibles you stood professing Nevils Haze stock was older and Different to Sams . Tell us about Shantis Mns Strains, Not Original Haze
I was told it was only Punto Rojo Genetics , this information is Second hand Direct from G aka the Surfer boy
Really laughs are for Clowns and jokes . This is History with some of the more documented evidence involving this Legendary Variety with Deep Rich History from Santa Cruz to Holland to NYC.
Soil recipe , Poster from 1976 with 4 main phenos listed . HIGH TIMES Interviews and Pictures with Actual Haze samples
How Bout this Post Below
hooteroll
New member
Fact vs. FictionRead Sam the Skunkman's posting about the Haze Brothers with great interest and wanted to clear up a few things. First, I was there in Santa Cruz in the Seventies when it was all happening and never heard the original growers refer to themselves as the Haze Brothers. The infamous Haze Brothers did actually exist, but they were consumers, not growers.
How do I know? I was one of those three brothers and we bought, smoked and shared as much Haze as probably anyone on the planet. We were originally herb connoisseurs from back east who had grown up on the best Columbian, Jamaican, Panama Red, Thai Stick, etc. But even with our backgrounds, we had never seen, smelled or smoked anything like the Haze. The first time we saw those dark purple buds, we could hardly believe it (nor the price, which was $250 per ounce). From that point on, it became the Dom Perignon of our stashes.
So as far as the tasting test with R from High Times Magazine in New York, it did happen and we roasted, toasted and basted him with three varieties of Haze. He was kind of cocky when we got there and more like cold-cocked when we left. Even with all the high quality weed out there today, I don't think any of it is better or more exotic than the first Purple Haze, which was so dark and delicious, we called it the Root Beer.
Two last notes. First, there was a band, The Original Haze, that played in clubs around Santa Cruz in the Seventies that was part of the story. Second, for those rare few who were lucky enough to own one, there was a beautiful, limited edition grower's poster, that listed the soil ingredients, directions and Haze philosophy, In Haze We Trust. The last line of the poster read "Enjoy!" and we lived by that motto.
So that's the story behind the story.
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I thought we put all that behind us Herb and moved on to greener pastures, lol
I have always believed Haze was a Thai / Colombian combination from the day I grew and smoked it, because that is the types of highs you find in Haze.
It was all claimed to be a Thai Colombian, do you remember the many old posts from Sam that are now gone or have been edited or posts from Rob ? Example
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Many of the old posts over the decades as I said above have been edited or removed, the story has evolved to what it was once that's a fact herb.
This post was posted by Sam at Cannabis World 20 or more years ago.
Going by Sam Original Haze made by others over 20 years ago, were F10 Plus away from the F1s and Sam Had an F2 and a F5 clone.
Nevils Haze used the HzC and that was an F1 and the 5HzA that was an F1 made using the HzA male and that was an F1 Hz Male both from seed dated 1969 that came from Sam so yes I still believe that Nevils Haze was made from very old Haze as it was.
ninox33
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Interesting words bigherb.
Do you have a pic of that poster?
EDIT: Fell across a readable copy on here
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The book Thai Stick tells a similar story, so not everything is fictional to fill a magazine.
Not all marijuana in Southeast Asia was as potent as the Thai or Laotian variety; the difference between Thai sticks and most Vietnamese and Cambodian pot was like the difference between homemade wine and single malt scotch.
The 1970 Stanton Report on drug abuse in Vietnam noted that unlike Vietnamese pot, Thai pot had a “very high THC content.” The northeast corner of Thailand is populated by tribes that came from Nanchao (Yunan Province of southern China) who had been forced to pay tribute all the way back to the time of Kublai Khan in the thirteenth century. They fled the region and followed the Mekong River down to their present location in northeast Thailand and Laos.13 These farmers took the same care with their marijuana plants that French vintners take with their grapevines. Among the hill tribes, some say the Yao, originally from Laos, are the best marijuana growers. “They know how to grow so nice, I mean how to take care of the flower, how to take out the male plant,” said one Thai pot broker from the northeast. “They plant atnearly the end of the rainy season. If grow full cycle about six months, grow about two and half meter high. When the flower is heavy [indicating the size of his forearm], the flower grow yellow,
then they check.”14
Leaf Fielding described a visit to a Udon village in 1971:
The whole village was involved in the grass business. Talking pidgin and using fingers, we negotiated with the men while mothers and children sat in groups in the dirt, making up Buddha sticks. A stick held a dozen or more heads of grass, bound with fine hempen fibre around an eight-inch sliver of bamboo. Each stick weighed around four grams. Twenty of them made a brick. The bricks were being put together by the old people. A brick cost seventy-five US cents.15
By the early 1970s, the foreign demand for ganja had produced a boom in Isan, the poorest region of Thailand. Although it is in Nakhon Phanom Province, Thailand, the region’s economic and social ties are closer to Laos. North of Udorn on the banks of the Mekong, Isan is a plateau the size of New England that floods during monsoon season and is arid and dusty in the dry season. Although rice fields are hard to irrigate and do not yield much, marijuana thrives thanks to the Mekong River, whose tributaries replenish the region with rich, silty soil. “This area [Nakhon Phanom] everyone have water, but the climate and the soil somehow make this area
very good. The sun very good, very nice, and the night time very cold,” said one Thai who began growing there in 1966. “If you grow same plant, same seed another place, have different taste.”16
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Ha “The good head“ .... any one buy one of these back in the day?
My comment was about how the article said thais didn't do a good job growing and making Thai sticks, and the hmong were the experts, when left to the thais the quality dropped off,
That's a load of bollocks, the hmong didn't even do commercial cannabis, and Thai stick became popular as one article states due to American soldiers being based in udonthani, this is backed up by what the guys who wrote the Thai stick book said aswell as Sam skunkman in a conversation i had with him and with my own research visiting museums in udonthani and asking so.e locals aswell as the family i married into 20 years ago who were also from the isaan area..
Some guys just pick up a few loose facts and gossip and run with it , quite common with journalism really ɓut not by good ones who take the time to do the research,
This is also common on these pages as im sure you've noted ..
Don't believe everything you read...
Stoneguru
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Stone guru
Sup brother
Always Interesting post i appreciate your sharing of thoughts and experiences .
If I recall you touched on the leaflet growing from a leaf . I experienced this with KillerA5 also calyx from the leaf . Seems to be from NL5 genes . I dont recall pics or reports from Haze With this growth
happyhi
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best description of what i'm smoking yet
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Dutchgrown said:
A predominately pissy pine, with a slight hint of spice I'd call akin to sandalwood...although certainly dominated by the pine flavor throughout (being more pronounced).
someone finally nailed it, this is the very best description of the shit that i have seen, describes what i would refer to as the number 4 plant of the original haze.
imho, it smells like cat piss a bit late in flower and after the cure takes on the pine, sandalwood was the word!
it had to be the Nam Rengo Kyo
Post above Happyhi referenced the Original Haze Gold Pheno
Soo similar to what we Grew up smoking in NYC . This description above is very similar to All my Nevilles Experiences
Frankies Haze
Raw Spicy Frankincense
Didn't have that bright note , Not piney or that metallic you mentioned with C5 Hybrids.
Unc Dr Purpur
Shared a love of Frankincense, One of His ATF I recall was Cambodian Red he tells of this Magical Smoke
If I recall it's in the cannabible
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Thank you @bigherb ,
What line was being referenced in quotes?
I remember when Chem and Diesel first came to our crew in Chicago in the mid late 90's. Outstanding weed at the time. We all agreed that smoking them was like our favorite 5haze cut got chopped down by a 'ghani or BLD. They were almost as loud as that 5haze ,but not the refined penetrating pine fuel flavor or icy hot back of pallet. Clean. Close as we could find though.
That 5haze was more refine and maybe louder in the bag, definitely on the toke than chem/Diesel types once once smoked anything like it since. Then there is the piss from 5haze. A lot of different versions, but that sharp piss...
Imagine diesel or chem dropping the earth notes and flavor or piss dropping the ammonia and that's it. I suspect it would be the similar underlying terpenes or compounds at play in the original 5haze type responsible for both.
Nevil mentioned the piss develops from inbreeding the 5haze from my understanding, but maybe an outcross too?.
The sharp chem fuel pine needle and frankincense are throughout the smoking experience. A complete experience from that haze metal camphore exhale in back to coating the tongue. Very layered, but simple. A whole different category from the hazes we currently have.
There was a juniper that coated the tongue and piney NL, but they are so different.
If I recall you touched on the leaflet growing from a leaf . I experienced this with KillerA5 also calyx from the leaf . Seems to be from NL5 genes . I dont recall pics or reports from Haze With this growth.
This would be a lengthy response for here and I'll document it better on the thread. In short. In the line work R has done with Nigerian Silk it exhibits variations of most of these mutations often including the ones you mentioned..but not the variegation. All of JJ's Nigerian right now have the curl leaf variegations associated with 5haze in these older lines, but none of the mutations of Nigerian Silk. I do not know that these anomalies are occuring in the original Silk cut either.
Nigerian Silk tested as an f7+, Tropicals 5haze f5 that displays anomalies does seem to favor NL, the lines I am working was a series of silk and 5haze back crosses.
Up until the last couple years aho there was no one mentioning the curl leaf trait in association with 5haze. Usually when a post is made showing it..half the people say it's a disease and to cull it.
Maybe this the way people thought of it in the early 90's. It's tall, it takes to long to flower and has a disease.
Nigerian Silk and 5haze both seem to have this trait, but maybe the more common thing is that it is showing up through stacking or an additive breeding process.
If crossed the Silk (petiole and meristem mutations) to a chem D bx line (this chem D line didn't show the curl leaf, though it does at times). Testers explode with new anomalous fusions and divisions of plant growth and one spun into an entire plant variegation more than anything I have encountered in 5haze or chem. The flowers and half of every fan leaf.
It happened to have the strongest mango profile I have. Not something I have ever encountered in ChemD or Silk S lines that made it, but a nose burning screamer.
Generally all of these various anomaly come up in some very low percentage of population, but if they are selected and begin to play they all begin to interact. There is usually about 10% of a population of testers where none of the mutations are visible. I haven't experiments with if or how to bury it.
I am working with hundreds and founds a couple letters. Enough to make a sound and say there is a sound and different sounds through rearrangement, but it would take thousands to develop an understanding of a language. I believe there is something further to understand and potentially develop than what I have can do
..There is an anomaly or very rare markers from the original 5haze that I remember. I haven't seen it come out in full in what I am working with or in any pictures so far.
THH little leaf bloch on @Stickbandits plant can be exploited and things can happen. He has Alpine Haze 1.0 f2 so he has the tools to find out if he wants to.
Sup brother
Always Interesting post i appreciate your sharing of thoughts and experiences .
If I recall you touched on the leaflet growing from a leaf . I experienced this with KillerA5 also calyx from the leaf . Seems to be from NL5 genes . I dont recall pics or reports from Haze With this growth
happyhi
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best description of what i'm smoking yet
best description of what i'm smoking yet
Dutchgrown said:
A predominately pissy pine, with a slight hint of spice I'd call akin to sandalwood...although certainly dominated by the pine flavor throughout (being more pronounced).
someone finally nailed it, this is the very best description of the shit that i have seen, describes what i would refer to as the number 4 plant of the original haze.
imho, it smells like cat piss a bit late in flower and after the cure takes on the pine, sandalwood was the word!
it had to be the Nam Rengo Kyo
Post above Happyhi referenced the Original Haze Gold Pheno
Soo similar to what we Grew up smoking in NYC . This description above is very similar to All my Nevilles Experiences
Frankies Haze
Raw Spicy Frankincense
Didn't have that bright note , Not piney or that metallic you mentioned with C5 Hybrids.
Unc Dr Purpur
Shared a love of Frankincense, One of His ATF I recall was Cambodian Red he tells of this Magical Smoke
If I recall it's in the cannabible
[/QUOTE]
Thank you @bigherb ,
What line was being referenced in quotes?
This sound closer than most.
I remember when Chem and Diesel first came to our crew in Chicago in the mid late 90's. Outstanding weed at the time. We all agreed that smoking them was like our favorite 5haze cut got chopped down by a 'ghani or BLD. They were almost as loud as that 5haze ,but not the refined penetrating pine fuel flavor or icy hot back of pallet. Clean. Close as we could find though.
That 5haze was more refine and maybe louder in the bag, definitely on the toke than chem/Diesel types once once smoked anything like it since. Then there is the piss from 5haze. A lot of different versions, but that sharp piss...
Imagine diesel or chem dropping the earth notes and flavor or piss dropping the ammonia and that's it. I suspect it would be the similar underlying terpenes or compounds at play in the original 5haze type responsible for both.
Nevil mentioned the piss develops from inbreeding the 5haze from my understanding, but maybe an outcross too?.
The sharp chem fuel pine needle and frankincense are throughout the smoking experience. A complete experience from that haze metal camphore exhale in back to coating the tongue. Very layered, but simple. A whole different category from the hazes we currently have.
There was a juniper that coated the tongue and piney NL, but they are so different.
If I recall you touched on the leaflet growing from a leaf . I experienced this with KillerA5 also calyx from the leaf . Seems to be from NL5 genes . I dont recall pics or reports from Haze With this growth.
This would be a lengthy response for here and I'll document it better on the thread. In short. In the line work R has done with Nigerian Silk it exhibits variations of most of these mutations often including the ones you mentioned..but not the variegation. All of JJ's Nigerian right now have the curl leaf variegations associated with 5haze in these older lines, but none of the mutations of Nigerian Silk. I do not know that these anomalies are occuring in the original Silk cut either.
Nigerian Silk tested as an f7+, Tropicals 5haze f5 that displays anomalies does seem to favor NL, the lines I am working was a series of silk and 5haze back crosses.
Up until the last couple years aho there was no one mentioning the curl leaf trait in association with 5haze. Usually when a post is made showing it..half the people say it's a disease and to cull it.
Maybe this the way people thought of it in the early 90's. It's tall, it takes to long to flower and has a disease.
Nigerian Silk and 5haze both seem to have this trait, but maybe the more common thing is that it is showing up through stacking or an additive breeding process.
If crossed the Silk (petiole and meristem mutations) to a chem D bx line (this chem D line didn't show the curl leaf, though it does at times). Testers explode with new anomalous fusions and divisions of plant growth and one spun into an entire plant variegation more than anything I have encountered in 5haze or chem. The flowers and half of every fan leaf.
It happened to have the strongest mango profile I have. Not something I have ever encountered in ChemD or Silk S lines that made it, but a nose burning screamer.
Generally all of these various anomaly come up in some very low percentage of population, but if they are selected and begin to play they all begin to interact. There is usually about 10% of a population of testers where none of the mutations are visible. I haven't experiments with if or how to bury it.
I am working with hundreds and founds a couple letters. Enough to make a sound and say there is a sound and different sounds through rearrangement, but it would take thousands to develop an understanding of a language. I believe there is something further to understand and potentially develop than what I have can do
..There is an anomaly or very rare markers from the original 5haze that I remember. I haven't seen it come out in full in what I am working with or in any pictures so far.
THH little leaf bloch on @Stickbandits plant can be exploited and things can happen. He has Alpine Haze 1.0 f2 so he has the tools to find out if he wants to.
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exoticrobotic
Well-known member
At some point that language is understood, quicker than with spoken language as it is a sensory experience.
How long does it take to learn a language if you fully immerse yourself, 2 years?
Love it @Stoneguru
Those 90s curly dark green leafed plants looked ugly af and overferted but the runts, hermies and ugly mfer plants must hold some gnarly fire.
Why did you choose the chemd to explore your Nsilk further from?
Stoneguru
Well-known member
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have been immersed in testing responses for about 4 years. Even though that I can observe interactions and responses (sometimes very extreme). They are only enough to ask more questions.At some point that language is understood, quicker than with spoken language as it is a sensory experience.
How long does it take to learn a language if you fully immerse yourself, 2 years?
Love it @Stoneguru
Those 90s curly dark green leafed plants looked ugly af and overferted but the runts, hermies and ugly mfer plants must hold some gnarly fire.
Why did you choose the chemd to explore your Nsilk further from?
Documenting 200 plants of 10 different makes through f3 would help. Things can become more complex quickly when stacking these traits. Leaflets will jump from one side of the plant to the other fusions and divisions of cells and plant material, Meristems or cloneable material growing from fan stems to petiole increased Whorled Phyllotaxy, Jurassic disproportions. There are also incidents when terpenes respond equally as unpredictable.
The first time I had chem or diesel It was like the profile my favorite haze was chopped down by a thick earth afghan. Chem D displays the curl leaf of some of the common old hazes of that time. When I crossed Silk S which throws 80% petioles mutations in a cross they all disappeared from testers and turned into ever other anomaly you could think of.
The first leaf is a chem D bx usually the split leaf is the first, then if you cross again more mottled. It doesn't effect the health of the plant, but looks sick.
The next. The 2 little prongs that stick out of every node. I watched them transform from that to full Fibonacci fans before my eyes over a week. Next, Splits,
There were so many other, but the common petiole mutation disappeared where it had not in other crosses. So there is an interrelationship or interaction between the split learning variegation and meristem type anomalies what becomes even more complex and diverse. And then what happens if you select and breed these? Complex. It can all be created and more with these sets, but understood is a whole different thing.
Bandaid 7 x Silk S is a similar cross in that Bandaid rather than Chem D has the variegation. They went out in the 2024 haze collection so maybe we will hear about them this winter. My prediction is that some may start out a little rough or confusing, but this will in no way effect their vigor and strength when they get going. I also think there will be a lot of unique mutations from plant to plant and some wild profiles.
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Hempy you Grew and Smoke a Haze HYBRID. NL5 GENETICS, Isn't there also Hawaiian and Afghan in NL5 . Soo SE Asian maybe
But it's True, some things changed just not from being edited. But SamS Revelations
You have No Idea the info I've got in Pm . DONT BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ
Incredible your warming up Now with Old style of Offtopic Responses What does that quote or Nevil have to do with My Claim of 3 brothers from New Jersey ?
Remember Haze A & C are only Revelant to Nevils work , I'll bet the Bank HzC is Now Only part of History
Tell Your buddy shanti to show us Example of HzC F1 , I dont believe this is possible
Nothing is Gone in the last 18 years or soo . I've got all post Haze related saved including those 6 post from CW or OG . You can't edited what's been saved already . ID SAY Anything of importance I've found since 09ish is Archieved
I Didnt change nothing
But i understand things changed the 4 way Sativa story to 3 way Colombian , that's old News also the Thai in Burning Bush
Which May Be the Actual Source of Haze seed stock Nevil Recieved from Sams ( if he recieved any ) According to Nevils own words . Soo Burning Bush that would be 1981 Colombian Genetics with the Thai expression According to Sams Description
Hence the Thai association Claimed by many Haze hybrid Growers over the years who've grown the Numerous Famous Offerings Via Nevil .
The same ones who havnt Grown a Thai from the 70's or Colombian from late 60's . Or even Original Haze for that matter
Kill that 1969 seed BS , Considering the whole story and Timeline
You think if he had them, Sams gave Nevil such precious seed after everything he's known and been through ?
How much 1969 seed did Sams really ever have while only collecting from bagseed / his wife trimming and returning to SC in 71 ?
You want to talk old posts from CW
He admitted he smoked Original Haze for the first time in 1971 . As he returned from his travels
Incredible how he collected Such stock from 1969 while in another Country and he didn't smoke it till 71
Life is simple , man complicates things
Remember your lord and savior Nevil used a description of the last Haze seed crop in California is where his Seed stock was collected . Actually if I recall the description said salvaged
To sell NL5HAZE in the Seed bank catalog . That would be 1981 last year Haze was grown , then you and Shanti paint and plaster the story of Nevil receiving Haze Seed from 1969 via the Haze brothers separate of SAMS Haze stock
Soo History has been rewritten several times by several players
What does Sams or Nevil have to do with the last post .
You never wanted to admitt it , but this incense loving no Haze growing kid has brought a light to the Haze History . Many Say this History is Not important but still give there 2 cents without a Actual Penny
Now take a breath. You don't have to say it . I know you've been Blinded by Nl5
StickyBandit
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Man thats beautiful. I still miss my DC, never got to test the DCxTHH years ago for some reason. Beautiful plants everyone.Good job amigos
I have never seen fasciated leaves in THH and DC ...and their hybrids.
@Stoneguru
When you say red (dot?) on the petioles...do your mean the leaf base ...the intersection of the leaflets?
In this case I think the red dot comes from the DC
DC x THH f2
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I have more questions but first I have ti read your posts with more attention
