I have a pack or two in the fridge, I've never grown it, but a friend did, and harvested it between the end of December and the first days of January; anyone who has grown it indoors or outdoors has my respect for the patience and dedication, as for pheno thai, ask those who have done it, not me....I have a pack of them in my seed stash but man.....24 weeks flower....thats a loooong time