good points,,,, as to sams quote it was along those lines way beyond 99% of growers reach ,,,, of course i try to laugh at same time ,,also i didnt say tom ever spread speil about keepers in the 10 packs ,,only that he sold them he coulda made it clear he wanted em sold by 100 and said what he says today nothing stopped him ,,just an observation ,,,i to think 100 is a reasonable number to start from and i will certainly buy a pack but as you alluded to with the reaper ,,there no special passes for any of us with what we say or do