Thinking of using local soil...maybe?

[love2gro]

Thanks for the replies..

Clack, im not in Oregon, but this is the only product of Rexius ive ever seen in my area..Gardener and bloome is everywhere here, eb stone( didnt like the soil..too heavy), black gold, FF etc here.. When i googled the topsoil, only things about how good their potting soil was came up, nothing about the topsoil.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Thanks for the replies..

Clack, im not in Oregon, but this is the only product of Rexius ive ever seen in my area..Gardener and bloome is everywhere here, eb stone( didnt like the soil..too heavy), black gold, FF etc here.. When i googled the topsoil, only things about how good their potting soil was came up, nothing about the topsoil.

Gardener & Bloome is a very fine product. One of the better commercial potting soils. It's packed in Southwest Washington (Longview?)

I'd probably add a #1 pot full of good EWC and an equal amount of whatever you use for an aeration amendment and I think that with some seed meals, rock dusts and a this and a that you'd be in very good shape.

HTH

CC

 

[love2gro]

Which blend of theirs would you recomend? they have a ton of different potting soils. I tried the regular one and did not like it at all. it smelled like just wood shavings and looked like mostly wood shavings..and never dried out/held way too much water.

Right now i use black gold with ok results(too much peat imo), need to get better with the amendments..heres what i have. blood and bone meal, kelp and alfafa meal, azomite, lime, perlite, can get worm castings too, but black gold has worm castings. batch i just mixed was 10g of BG soil. to that i added about 6 tbs blood meal, 1/2 cup bone meal, 1/2 cup azomite and kelp meal(+ a tbsp or 2), little less the half cup lime. then a couple gallons of perlite. didnt get the alfafa till today. we'll see how it works.

So thats what im using now, and what led me here was wanting to add good topsoil to it.. Im not too familiar with the ingredients in the gardener and bloome stuff, but do you think its better then the black gold? I know the bag says it has lots of other goodies black gold doesnt, but when i used it my plants suffered. But it leads me to think i was just doing something wrong when i tried it as you say its quality stuff, but i do know its a lot cheaper then black gold.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

love2gro

I'm not a huge fan of Black & Gold. It's been around Oregon since the early 1980's and it wasn't much to write home about from the start. It was purchased by the Sunshine Mix folks several years back as they wanted a consumer line of products to put into your local nursery.

Which specific version from G & B are you thinking about using?

CC

 

[guest2012y]

You definitely need more EWC. I'd just make a shopping list and drive to concentrates inc. in Portland Or. if it's within your range.

 

[love2gro]

i tried the one labeled as just potting soil( the one i did not like)..but i think i read somewhere later that the blue ribbon blend is the one i should of used..i also seen one called harvest supreme..which would you recommend?

 

[guest2012y]

Garden shot from tonight...

 

[heady blunts]

So thats what im using now, and what led me here was wanting to add good topsoil to it.. Im not too familiar with the ingredients in the gardener and bloome stuff, but do you think its better then the black gold? I know the bag says it has lots of other goodies black gold doesnt, but when i used it my plants suffered. But it leads me to think i was just doing something wrong when i tried it as you say its quality stuff, but i do know its a lot cheaper then black gold.

i use the g&b potting soil. yes it's a big commercial company but it's a great value for the price. i've had good success with outdoor containers growing veggies as well as my indoor medical garden.

it does run out of nutrients if you don't amend it. i top dressed with their "herb and tomato fertilizer" which is also pretty awesome for the price, and my home made EWC.

i have a plant that's been 3 weeks in flower, which i tried an amended mix of the g&b potting soil: to 10 parts soil, i added 2 parts EWC and 1 part of the herb and tomato fert. so far i've only watered and she's looking really good. just gave her a drink of ACT yesterday for the first time.

i'm moving towards making my own soil mixes, but the g&b is a decent starting point.

 

[CC_2U]

CC1

I didn't want to start a new thread and since this is your thread and since you're also using aloe vera extracts I wanted to share a recent run of cuttings.

I wanted the purest form I could find and bought a 30 lb. box of fresh aloe vera leaves (only $16.00) from a produce house. My old buddy laughed his ass off when I told him what I was planning on using it for. They were even 'stickered' (UPC Code) - LOL

It's 'Wild Harvested' but not organic. Hard to do that with a plant that grows in the Mexican desert.

I took one leaf and cut the end off. I found a few videos at YouTube that showed what you need to do. From a single leaf I got about 2 tablespoons of pure extract. I added 1 tsp. of the pure fulvic acid from BioAg, 1/64th of a tsp. of the BioAg VAM (7 strains of endomycorrhizal strains), 1/32 tsp. of powdered seaweed extract and I used this as a rooting gel.

I ran them in Oasis Cubes, Rockwool Cubes (they're finally used up!!! Yay!), RapidRooters, potting soil (fully amended) and straight perlite. I had to borrow the perlite.

The results were simply amazing not only in the time required to root the cuttings but more impressive was the massive root development from the very start. Several dozen root growth on each and every one. The rooting medium did not make a single difference though the potting soil developed the strongest plant overall. No question about that.

Just an FYI

CC_2U

 

[vonforne]

CC2U Who the hell are you??? Do you think you know everything or something?? Geeeez

BTW do you need help fixing your old account?

V

 

[guest2012y]

CC2U Who the hell are you??? Do you think you know everything or something?? Geeeez

BTW do you need help fixing your old account?

V

Right V...this guy comes in bumping up my thread with his Mr. Organic Knowitall attitude BS....like I don't know that stuff or something. jeeeesh
Seriously though...I've found the amount of Aloe I actually need to incorporate in my garden is around a half gallon per cycle. I do the in veg. foliar and water it in. I like the sound of it as a rooting agent.
It's really easy to use.....may want to consider freezing the gel for later use. I've frozen certain cacti extracts and used them later. The active compounds still work very well.

 

[organicterra]

CC1

I didn't want to start a new thread and since this is your thread and since you're also using aloe vera extracts I wanted to share a recent run of cuttings.

I wanted the purest form I could find and bought a 30 lb. box of fresh aloe vera leaves (only $16.00) from a produce house. My old buddy laughed his ass off when I told him what I was planning on using it for. They were even 'stickered' (UPC Code) - LOL

It's 'Wild Harvested' but not organic. Hard to do that with a plant that grows in the Mexican desert.

I took one leaf and cut the end off. I found a few videos at YouTube that showed what you need to do. From a single leaf I got about 2 tablespoons of pure extract. I added 1 tsp. of the pure fulvic acid from BioAg, 1/64th of a tsp. of the BioAg VAM (7 strains of endomycorrhizal strains), 1/32 tsp. of powdered seaweed extract and I used this as a rooting gel.

I ran them in Oasis Cubes, Rockwool Cubes (they're finally used up!!! Yay!), RapidRooters, potting soil (fully amended) and straight perlite. I had to borrow the perlite.

The results were simply amazing not only in the time required to root the cuttings but more impressive was the massive root development from the very start. Several dozen root growth on each and every one. The rooting medium did not make a single difference though the potting soil developed the strongest plant overall. No question about that.

Just an FYI

CC_2U

Great post CC!
And one of particular interest to me since I have some aloe plants in my yard as well as the other products you mentioned.
I also have been having trouble getting clones to root.
I will definitely be giving this a try.
Question: Do you use heating mats and humidity domes?

Thanks
Sorry for the tread jack!

 

[vonforne]

So, do you think I can use my Aloe plant of my wifes we have in the house? She would shit but hey.....I bought it.

V

 

[guest2012y]

This cycle was one of the fastest growing veg cycles I've seen. It seems absurd to claim that this was because I used aloe....but I'm positive that combined with 24 hr. MH lighting accounts for the fast growth.
I have one aloe plant that hates it here...may as well just donate it to the cause.

 

[vonforne]

Looks like I buy more Aloe plants........I will pretend to give them to my wife. She might start to like me again and cancell the divorce. lol or I can just hack the big one she has up and speed things up a bit.

V

 

[Scrappy4]

So, do you think I can use my Aloe plant of my wifes we have in the house? She would shit but hey.....I bought it.

V

Ssshhhh! Don't let my wife hear this......scrappy

 

[guest2012y]

She might start to like me again and cancell the divorce.

V

"Aloe saves marriage"....man moves to US and farms Aloe for use in saving relationships and cannabis farming. Makes a million.

 

[vonforne]

"Aloe saves marriage"....man moves to US and farms Aloe for use in saving relationships and cannabis farming. Makes a million.

lol now that is an idea.

V

 

[CC_2U]

Great post CC!
And one of particular interest to me since I have some aloe plants in my yard as well as the other products you mentioned.
I also have been having trouble getting clones to root.
I will definately be giving this a try.
Question: Do you use heating mats and humidity domes?

Thanks
Sorry for the tread jack!

organicterra

Here's my input such as it is.

There are few things in the cannabis growing world that is as over-wrought as rooting a f*cking cutting. It's insane but I definitely understand the business model that perpetuates all of the myths out there.

1. Rooting cuttings dates back 4,000 years in China. And Olivia and Mr. Clonex were nowhere to be found to help those nimrods learn how it should be done.

2. The French in the late 18th Century borrowed the high-density planting in raised beds found in China. It then became known as the French Intensive Growing technique.

In the 1960's Alan Chadwick (British) used high-density planting in what he called the 'bio-intensive' technique.

3. In the 1970's John Jeavons (Ecology Action) put a new spin on things in what he calls the French Bio-Intensive technique.

4. Some kids in Amsterdam in the late 1980's decided this process needed a newer, kewler name and we were blessed with 'Sea of Green'

That's the history.

How we ended up with EZ Cloner machines <snerk> and the other toys for the boys defies logic on any level.

Rooting softwoods doesn't require anything. Having said that it's also a human need to 'do something' with plants which is how one ends up with over-watering, over fertilizing, etc. Over everything.

But in the process of rooting a cutting it's been taken to a new level of insanity.

Here's a guaranteed (100% success rate) to root any softwood. And I've rooted at least 150 plant types in my career (non-cannabis) as well as at least 50 hardwood trees.

1. Pick your medium - you want rockwool? Best decision ever! You want to use Oasis Cubes? Even better yet - maybe!! You want to use RapidRootesrs? Go for it!!!! You want to use straight perlite or a 50/50 mix of vermiculite and perlite? It works too!

Get the idea? It doesn't f*cking matter.

2. If you want to use some kind of rooting gel/liquid? Great!!! You like Dip-n-Grow? Buy it and use it. You like Clonex? Get it. You heard perhaps that Olivia's the bomb? Buy it.

They all contain one or more of the following: IAA, INA or NPA - period.

Wild unfiltered honey works as well. Water works equally well.

I use the standard trays with the high-dome lids. I spray the inside of the dome but not the plants. I keep them in the corner of my veg room (CMH bulb) until they're done. Because I don't grow professional strains it's been the case that it takes my strain 10-12 days. No big deal - I'm looking for the strongest rooted plants I can come up with. Speed isn't an issue.

You don't need heat pads. You don't need a special spray. You don't need a special T-5 light set-up. All you need is patience and the ability to leave the cuttings alone and let nature take its course which in my case, he said again, is 10-12 days.

Seaweed extracts contain both IAA and INA in their natural form along with all of the other compounds that make this such a viable agent to add at any stage of your garden.

If you don't want to use rooting compounds (and I'm with you on this one as none of them are approved for food plants - not just organic plants but ANY food plant) then here's CC's Stupid Easy Cloning Deal

1. Take 1 quart of water and add 1/2 tsp. of soluble seaweed powder and mix. Add 1 tsp. of Dyna-Gro ProTeKt as the silica will insure that you won't have any problems with anaerobic fungi resulting in damping-off.

2. Take your cuttings and put them into your solution and let them soak over night. Take the very same water and hydrate whatever medium you choose to use.

3. Spray the inside of the dome, put in the corner of your veg room and go for a bike ride or check out the surfing contest in Huntington Beach - the Bahama Mamas alone make it worth the drive.

100% guaranteed results with strong viable plants ready for transplanting.

HTH

CC_2U

 

[guest2012y]

Thanks V. I made this thread to show how easy it is for anyone to complete a cycle using local soils as a part of their indoor soil mix. All it takes is letting go of some accepted practices in the cannabis growing world,being open to advice,and trusting nature. She won't let you down if you take care of her...maybe like our wives eh.