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Thinking of using local soil...maybe?

guest2012y

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I don't know how you guys trim with closed loop scissors? :D

looking frosty as hell captcheeze

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Lost my good solid steel scissors to a loan.....I've used every scissor known to man. Plastic handled scissors break all the time...they can't handle the hemp.
 
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That's why they made nylon. The hemp was just getting too damn hard to cut ;)
 

GeorgeSmiley

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Lost my good solid steel scissors to a loan.....I've used every scissor known to man. Plastic handled scissors break all the time...they can't handle the hemp.


I was talking about the white, small loop scissors.....

I go through the fiskars mini's but I just email them a pic of the broken scissors and they send me new ones. Pretty slick/

Large loop scissors like the ARS, always really sharp, are really well made and do stay extremely sharp. Fiskars now makes a Ti coated blade version now. ARS for the win :D

But your the trimmin fool not me.

Did you ever get any of the acadian kelp extract? this stuff is great. Love the smell. ;)


I gotta tell ya Captcheeze, you have amazingly healthy plants, very amazing organic buds, and a strong desire to help/teach people how easy it can be.

No compromise and it absolutely shows.

Thanks for all your help

:thank you:
Smiley
 
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treefrog

I gotta tell ya Captcheeze, you have amazingly healthy plants, very amazing organic buds, and a strong desire to help/teach people how easy it can be.

No compromise and it absolutely shows.

Thanks for all your help!

:yeahthats
 

guest2012y

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I'll check in on that brand GS. I picked up some Neptune's Harvest extract for the foliar sprays,and as a mild freshly rooted cutting water-in. I use the Acadian kelp meal in everything else.....everything!
 

bootea

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Sweet, another good way of doing it. Good viusula inspection. I love the fact you leave the predator mites alone! I love those guys, they're wonderful, they eat aphids, root aphids, gnat larve, spider mites.
The main reason I suggested the cooking was because of the grubbs in rich soil such as forest soil, those grubbs can wreak havok on a root system when they haych and want food depending on what species.
I usually cook my compost because I live in an Oak forest, so the bug ratio is just huge, I'd rather cook em out and reintriduce a few than to risk a big infestation.
Can't you depend on a compost pile at its most active peak to reach a temperature that gets rid of all eggs, cacoons,and creepy crawley things, even weed seeds if hot enough. I've heard of temperatures as high as 180 degrees F in a large enough pile. Micro organisms either survive or are quickly restored as the temperature drops.
 

GDK

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SICK thread..and some incredibly healthy looking plant there Capt. I have long been thinking about doin this, but the fear of pests and various problems kept me from doing it. Would you say that BT is crucial for this to work?

Stay Safe
 

guest2012y

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SICK thread..and some incredibly healthy looking plant there Capt. I have long been thinking about doin this, but the fear of pests and various problems kept me from doing it. Would you say that BT is crucial for this to work?

Stay Safe
Thanks man..it's only been getting better ever since by recycling the soil and re-amending with the proper amounts of ferts/nutes/minerals.
I've since figured out (with the assistance of CC) that pests in the soil are easily manageable by amending with crab/shrimp shell meal and neem seed meal...plus the # of other little amendment things that build strong cells which are less susceptible to attack by insects. I don't use BT anymore.
There are good bugs and bad bugs...the bad ones don't last long in a managed organic pest control garden and are usually never seen again unless bringing contaminated "gifts" home.
 

guest2012y

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Capt. I was wondering what you feed them and when? I use only raw organics but I know it could be better (yield).

After running one complete veg/flower cycle I remixed the soil by adding the following........(about 75 gallons of soil)
5 lbs. N. bat guano
5 lbs. fish bone meal
5 lbs. Acadian kelp meal
1 lb alfalfa meal
1 bag Marwest brand compost
1 bag Megaworm brand Earthworm castings
1 small container of Rare Earth pyro-clay

On the second recycle I added...
10 gal pumice
1 1/2 lbs oyster shell
1 1/2 lbs agricultural gypsum
1 lb. powdered dolomite
1 bag Marwest compost
1 bag Megaworm EWC
5 lbs N. bat guano
5 lbs fish bone meal
5 lbs Acadian kelp meal
3 lbs green sand

3rd recycle I added..
5 gallons local topsoil
1 bag Marwest compost
1 bag Megaworm EWC
5 lbs. crab shell meal
5 lbs. azomite
5 lbs glacial rock dust
5 lbs. Sul-po-mag
10 lbs char soaked in a N bat guano tea
5 lbs Acadian kelp meal
1 lb alfalfa meal
5 lbs N.bat guano
5 lbs fish bone meal
2 lbs neem seed meal

4th recycle...
1 bag Marwest compost
1 bag Megaworm castings
5 lbs N bat guano
5 lbs fish bone meal

5th recycle....
same as 4th^^^

6th recycle...by this point 200 gallons of soil
5 gallons of half composted wood chips
5 gallons of sunshine #4
5 gallons vermiculite
10 gallons perlite
5 lbs N. bat guano
5 lbs fish bone meal
5 lbs fish meal
5 lbs crab shell meal
2 lbs alfalfa meal
3 gallons screened local forest humus
3 gallons fungal compost (not mushroom compost)
1 bag Marwest compost
1 bag megaworm EWC
2 lbs diatomacious earth
2 lbs glacial rock dust
2 lbs char soaked in N. Bat guano tea
5lbs of 3 way mix of oyster shell,powdered dolomite,agricultural gypsum
1 lb sul-po-mag
5 lbs neem seed meal
1 lb azomite

That's where I'm at now...I pay attention to what I add and how long each amendment takes to break down so I know what and how much of whatever to add on the next recycle. It's not a perfect system,and I really just eyeball things rather than measure. This last recycle I added a bit much fish meal and the mix was a bit hot for a minute...all okay now though.
Important to keep a humic rich soil that drains well.
since I keep adding compost and EWC each time,I need to add drainage material like perlite and pumice.

Most people let these mixes "cook"..but I don't. I would recommend however that you do. It will create a better balance and you won't have any issues. research why we use each of these amendments..because they all have a higher purpose from pest control to release rates.
This is a water only living recycled organic soil. I only add a bit of fish hydrolysate and 2 or 3 ACT teas per cycle. The fish hydrolysate introduces beneficial fungi,and the aerated compost teas introduce billions of "new" organisms that go to work on breaking the existing amendments down as soon as they are watered into the soil.
Any problem pots that may develop ph'ing issues (rarely) are treated with a compost/EWC topdress and are cured withen a week.
This is what I do...I can only think of two other growers who use and do what I do....George Smiley and Clackamas Coot.
As you learn to recycle the soil it gets better and better and better and better....no ph'ing anything at all. I haven' used a ph meter in almost a year...don't need to. It's worth it to go with a trip like this economically and for the overall quality of the smoke.
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Clackamas Coot

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This what the neem seed pods look like before processing where the oil is pressed and processed for a myriad of applications. The neem seed meal (aka 'cake') is then used as a fertilizer (over 320 compounds) as well as livestock feed.

neem-fruit.jpg
 

Clackamas Coot

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Here's a photo of the karanja seed tree in the fruiting stage. Karanja is a close relative to the neem tree and share the same compounds. The major difference is in the processing of the oils for medicines and health products. As far as gardening and agriculture the 2 products are generally interchangeable.

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guest2012y

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Nice visual aids Clack,..........
If you have had root aphids or fungus gnats,and recycle your soil mix and re-amend with neem seed meal and crab/shrimp shell meal.......you probably don't have them anymore.
 
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Capt.,

WOW, that is some living dirt. I love it. I will be starting on that once the freeze breaks. Here in Michigan we dont have exotic organics like you lucky northwesterners.

Sources?
1 bag Marwest compost (what should I look for in a local compost/topsoil???)
5 lbs. crab shell meal (is crab meal and oyster shell meal the same????) if not where do I get that also? is there alternatives (trying to stay local)???
5 lbs glacial rock dust
5 lbs Acadian kelp meal
5 lbs fish bone meal
fish meal
rare earth pyro-clay.....? what, where, how and why?
fungal compost (not mushroom) ?

This is interesting.....10 lbs char soaked in a N bat guano tea. What does the soak do for softening or help in breaking down the Char?

You already told me about the silica/neem/aloe vera foliar spray...what are your other tricks????

Cheers.
 

Clackamas Coot

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The Marwest Compost is one special product. It's made from the manure of organically raised cows and goats, mixed with native grasses on their 300 acre farm. Added to that are smashed spent organic shitake mushroom logs (or whatever the correct term is) and these are added to the compost pile.

They use the biodynamic composting method described here. Available in 1.5 c.f. bags for $8.00 and totes (1 c.y.) are also available. We ordered 2 totes to take care of the new raised beds that are being placed in our front yard.

Good stuff and priced extremely well compared to any other commercial product available in here in the valley.

CC
 

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