The Trump Countdown Thread

[Crooked8]

Blaming the msm...continuing the cop out. We pick our beliefs, then we pick our channel.

For the record, I had no intention for insinuation of blame on the MSM, i was merely pointing out that if you go deep into it on either side you can really get confused. Imagine someone had been flashed by that memory eraser thing from MIB. Then they were told to watch MSM from both sides. Pretty odd thought to try and consider where they might land regarding dem or repub, support is deep on both ends with more energy behind both than i can ever remember.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- who's pocket are both of the two oh so polarized political parties in? - who writes the cheques? - who controls the finance? - and with money you can buy and/or destroy anyone you care to -

* a couple of book recommendations -

 

[h.h.]

What’s your price?

 

[oldschoolnitro]

- sometimes it becomes quite obvious -

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The genocidal war that the apartheid Israeli state has waged on the Gaza Strip has generated an unprecedented wave of international public condemnation and international solidarity with the Palestinians. Graphic images of unimaginable destruction and heaps of dismembered and shattered bodies of innocent children flooded social media. Circulating in the context of the recent history of a series of Israeli military incursions into Gaza (first in 2008 and again in 2012), these images prompted hundreds of thousands of people to take to the streets around the world to demand an end to the Israeli occupation and ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

Hasbara engineers have therefore resorted to three main strategies to deal with the political fallout from the Gaza genocide. First, they desperately launched blackmail campaigns that attempted to conflate the irrational fear and hatred of Jews (anti-Semitism), which is unacceptable, with the legitimate critique of the apartheid Israeli state (anti-Zionism).

Linking any criticism of the Israeli genocidal policies to anti-Semitism has become an issue of contention for a growing number people around the world who clearly reject such extortion. Even the Hamas leadership has jumped on the issue, making it clear that “We do not actually fight the Jews because they are Jews, per se. We do not fight any other races. We fight the occupiers.”

Underlying this international solidarity with the Palestinian is the increasing worldwide awareness of Israel’s fake victimisation posturing. Palestinians are fighting a colonial occupier who has been represented in the annals of European history as the “ultimate victim”. Zionists have adopted the absurd claim that every Jew is born a victim, repackaging genocide in the rhetoric of “self-defence”. More and more people, however, realise that the Israeli apartheid state’s policy of ethnic cleansing in Palestine and violating Palestinian rights at a massive scale since the Nakba of 1948 is far from “self-defence”.

To paraphrase the Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek, it is almost impossible for Palestinians to resist their Zionist colonial occupiers without being demonised and branded as anti-Semitic.

Forced false choices

The second major strategy of hasbara engineers is their attempt to force the international public to make a choice between Israel and Hamas. However, many people and political entities around the world reject this false choice, opting to side with the oppressed civilians who have no way to flee or seek shelter in the open-air prison known as Gaza.

The genocidal war on Gaza has made it evident that, especially in the West, a split exists between the political elite on the one hand, and civil society and the international solidarity movement on the other. Undoubtedly, criticism did come, though maybe a little late, from Israel’s closest allies. There were even a few cases of defection from the ranks of their political elites (most notably the UK minister Baroness Warsi), with some even heeding Amnesty International’s call for an arms embargo against Israel and for Israel’s human rights violations to be referred to the International Criminal Court. Indeed, Palestine has for the first time become a bone of contention in the domestic politics of some Western countries.

In general, however, those in the corridors of power remain largely entrapped within the dominant narrative that the apartheid Israeli state peddles to justify the carnage in Gaza. Many world leaders, including United States President Barack Obama and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, have toed the hasbara line in their defence of Israel’s genocidal war.

At the same time, outrage at Israel’s actions was most visible at the grass-root level. Indeed, larger numbers of young people have been reported to attend these rallies, protests, and demonstrations in support of Gaza. Recent polls also indicate that younger Americans are growing increasingly critical of Israel’s apartheid policies in Palestine. The younger generation is increasingly dissatisfied with their governments’ complicity in the perpetuation of Israeli war crimes.

The diversity of solidarity

Finally, hasbara engineers have tried to dismiss and demonise this groundswell of international solidarity with Palestinians by presenting it as an exclusively Muslim cause. Rallies in support of Palestine have always been diverse gatherings of people of all faiths and ethnicities. Condemnation of Israeli crimes has come from all around the world, including from Israeli intellectuals, international political figures and prominent academics. Even Israeli citizens have mobilised against the war in Gaza, against the hostile current of the majority.

Most importantly, this hasbara contention conveniently ignores the deafening silence and clear standoffish position of many Muslim and Arab states on the Gaza genocide. In fact, the overwhelmingly Catholic Latin America has been at the forefront of international condemnation of Israel’s actions. Many Latin American countries vehemently denounced the Israeli genocidal war in Gaza; some have suspended their economic cooperation with Israel and others have recalled their ambassadors from Tel Aviv.

The outpouring of international solidarity for Palestine has clearly transcended the confines of identity politics and geography. It has emphasised that Palestinian lives are no less valuable than Israeli lives and that the international human rights regime should apply to both equally.

Indeed, as appalling as it sounds, dominant Zionist hasbara narratives have tried to criminalise the humanity of Palestinians, making it controversial to even acknowledge it and mourn their deaths. As Bayan Abu Sneineh states, “Not only are Palestinian bodies dehumanised, but they are also cast off as unreal. … Their lives are not liveable and their deaths are not grievable. If Palestinian lives are not seen as lives, then are their deaths even considered real deaths?”

But this time, Israel’s hasbara apparatus has clearly underestimated the extent to which global outrage at the Israeli genocide in Gaza has catapulted the Palestinian issue back to the centre of the global political stage. As long as the international solidarity movement insists on this commitment to the humanity and the human rights of the Palestinians, on the desire to ease the suffering of the oppressed, state hasbara will fail in its effort to delegitimise the grievances of the Palestinians. -

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/8/22/the-grand-failure-of-israeli-hasbara/

My brother was educated in Isreal... your post is grossly one sided and definitely written by Islamic influences...truly you know nothing of what goes on over there or why there is such massive security... Go live there for a while and come back and post this bullshit as that's what it is, Islamic bullshit.. If the security wasn't there the Jihadi terrorism and killing would be unimaginable.

Interesting thing is my brother got to see their Thunderdome defense system in operation ( I think Thunderdome is the name ) .. And when you talk to him about the whole Jihadi thing he simply says you have to live there to understand why there is such security to quarantine the Jihadi violence..

And sorry Gypsy to hate on that post, no offense meant... these fuckers really get under my skin they lie non stop and play constant victim, I have been dealing with Islamic influences here in Canada, they are like Christian missionaries except far smarter and far more cunning and manipulative

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- well I guess that if you invaded some tribal lands 100 years ago or so - and gradually occupied them - the natives might get restless - and try to stop the occupation - and fight back -

- and that ain't bullshit -

- perhaps the occupiers are trying to reclaim the lands they once held around 3000 years ago?

 

[oldschoolnitro]

- well I guess that if you invaded some tribal lands 100 years ago or so - and gradually occupied them - the natives might get restless - and try to stop the occupation - and fight back -

- and that ain't bullshit -

- perhaps the occupiers are trying to reclaim the lands they once held around 3000 years ago?

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its not quite right, once again your hearing the strictly Islamic side of the story..

 

[oldschoolnitro]

- well I guess that if you invaded some tribal lands 100 years ago or so - and gradually occupied them - the natives might get restless - and try to stop the occupation - and fight back -

- and that ain't bullshit -

- perhaps the occupiers are trying to reclaim the lands they once held around 3000 years ago?

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thing is the Christians owned the land long before any Muslims did.. Islam took over sections of the middle East thru violent conquest, submit to Islam or die kind of thing... Islam hates the Jews and that's what its all about..

 

[mr.brunch]

So... debate cancelled then.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- you might find this interesting oldschoolnitro -

The House Of Saud: It’s Jewish Origin And Installation By The British Crown

The two exposés posted below in their entirety provide essential material regarding the true origin of the House of Saud, as well as vital background about the current monarchy ruling Saudi Arabia.

It is virtually impossible to understand the true nature of the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the USA, and between Saudi Arabia and Israel, without the historical information that follows.

The photo above includes Chaim Weizmann, a zealous Zionist leader who was perhaps the first Israeli politician to actively promote the Greater Israel project.

*Chaim Azriel Weizmann (Hebrew: ???? ?????? ??????? Hayyim Azri’el Vaytsman, Russian: ???? ??????? Khaim Veytsman; 27 November 1874 – 9 November 1952) D.Sc, Sc.D, LL.D was a Zionist leader and Israeli statesman who served as President of the Zionist Organization and later as the first President of Israel.
(Source: Chaim Weizmann)

2002 IRAQI INTEL REPORTED WAHHABIS ARE OF JEWISH ORIGIN


The U.S. Department of Defence has released translations of a number of Iraqi intelligence documents dating from Saddam’s rule. One, a General Military Intelligence Directorate report from September 2002, entitled “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots”, shows the Iraqi government was aware of the nefarious purposes of the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, often known as Salafi's, in serving Western interests to undermine Islam.

The report relies heavily on the Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, which describe in detail how a British spy to the Middle East, in the middle of the eighteenth century, made contact with Adbul Wahhab, to create a subversive version of Islam, the notorious sect of Wahhabism, which became the founding cult of the Saudi regime. The movement was temporarily suppressed by the Ottomam armies in the middle of the nineteenth century. But with the assistance of the British, the Wahhabis and their Saudi sponsors returned to power and founded their own state in 1932. Since then, the Saudis have collaborated closely with the Americans, to whom they owe their tremendous oil wealth, in funding various Islamic fundamentalist organizations and other American covert operations, particularly the “jihad” in Afghanistan. But the Saudis simultaneously use the immense wealth at their disposal to disseminate this disruptive brand of Islam to various parts of the world, categorized by some of the largest propaganda campaign in history.

Many who defend Wahhabism as a legitimate reform movement of Islam have tried to dismiss the Memoirs as a spurious fabrication. These include Bernard Haykel, Professor in Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, who, without providing any evidence, presumes the Memoirs to have been created by Ayyub Sabri Pasha.

However, while the Memoirs only emerged in the 1970s, Pasha wrote his version of the story already in 1888. Ayyub Sabri Pasha was a well-known Ottoman writer and Turkish naval admiral, who served the Ottoman army in the Arabian Peninsula, writing several works about the region and its history. Including The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism, where he recounts Abdul Wahhab’s association and plotting with Hempher.

In addition to that revealed in the Hempher Memoirs, the Iraqi intelligence report also makes known some surprising claims, derived from works circulated in Arabic which have not been translated into English. As the report recounts, both Abdul Wahhab, and his sponsor, ibn Saud, who founded the Saudi dynasty, were of Jewish origin.

For example, D. Mustafa Turan wrote, in The Donmeh Jews, that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was a descendant of a family of Donmeh Jews from Turkey. The Donmeh were descendants of followers of the infamous false-messiah of Judaism, Shabbetai Zevi, who shocked the Jewish world in 1666 by converting to Islam. Viewing it as a sacred mystery, Zevi’s followers imitated his conversion to Islam, though secretly keeping to their Kabbalistic doctrines. In Europe, the Shabbeteans were eventually led a century later by Jacob Frank, claiming to be a reincarnation of Zevi. And, according to Rabbi Antelman in To Eliminate the Opiate, to them belonged the Rothschilds who had a hand in the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati. The Donmeh community of Turkey were concentrated in the city of Salonika, which became a hotbed of Masonic activity, and from which the Young Turk movement evolved, which aided in the collapse of the Muslim empire of the Ottoman Turks. There is evidence that Ataturk himself, the founder of the modern Turkish state, was of Donmeh origin as well.

Turan maintains that Abdul Wahhab’s grandfather, Sulayman was actually Shulman, having belonged to the Jewish community of Bursa in Turkey. From there he settled in Damascus, where he feigned Islam, but was apparently expelled for practicing sorcery. He then fled to Egypt and he again faced condemnation, so made his way he to the Hijaz, where he got married and fathered Abdul Wahhab. According to the report, the same is claimed in The Donmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahabis, Rifat Salim Kabar.

The notion of the Saudi family being of Jewish heritage has been published by Mohammad Sakher, who, it is claimed, was ordered killed by the regime for his revelations. The report relates a similar account, but from different sources. According The Wahabi Movement/The Truth and Roots, by Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim Al-Shammari, for example, ibn Saud is actually descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Mushi, a Jewish merchant from Basra. Apparently, when he was approached by members from the Arabian tribe of Aniza, then claimed to be one of them, and traveled with them to Najd and his name became Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa.

Additionally, Abdul Wahhab was descended from Wahib Al-Tamimi, so, as reported by al Said Nasir, in The History of the Saud Family, the Saudi ambassador in Cairo, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Mufaddal, paid Muhammad Al-Tamimi thirty-five thousand Jinee in the year 1943, to forge a family tree of the Saudi family and that of Abdul Wahhab, and merge them into one, claiming their origin from the Prophet Mohammed.

While it would be difficult to independently authenticate these claims, they are interesting in light of the role that the state of Saudi Arabia has and continues to play with regards to supporting and advancing Western power in the Middle East and elsewhere. Especially astounding is the very dubious and virulent form of Islam, that Wahhabism and Salafism represent, which is currently wrecking havoc on Islamic traditions, and dividing the Muslim community in petty squabbles over trivial details, allowing the War on Islam to proceed effectively unchecked.

https://www.timesheadline.com/middl...-installation-by-the-british-crown-42667.html

 

[oldschoolnitro]

- you might find this interesting oldschoolnitro -

The House Of Saud: It’s Jewish Origin And Installation By The British Crown

The two exposés posted below in their entirety provide essential material regarding the true origin of the House of Saud, as well as vital background about the current monarchy ruling Saudi Arabia.

It is virtually impossible to understand the true nature of the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the USA, and between Saudi Arabia and Israel, without the historical information that follows.

The photo above includes Chaim Weizmann, a zealous Zionist leader who was perhaps the first Israeli politician to actively promote the Greater Israel project.

*Chaim Azriel Weizmann (Hebrew: ???? ?????? ??????? Hayyim Azri’el Vaytsman, Russian: ???? ??????? Khaim Veytsman; 27 November 1874 – 9 November 1952) D.Sc, Sc.D, LL.D was a Zionist leader and Israeli statesman who served as President of the Zionist Organization and later as the first President of Israel.
(Source: Chaim Weizmann)

2002 IRAQI INTEL REPORTED WAHHABIS ARE OF JEWISH ORIGIN


The U.S. Department of Defence has released translations of a number of Iraqi intelligence documents dating from Saddam’s rule. One, a General Military Intelligence Directorate report from September 2002, entitled “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots”, shows the Iraqi government was aware of the nefarious purposes of the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, often known as Salafi's, in serving Western interests to undermine Islam.

The report relies heavily on the Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, which describe in detail how a British spy to the Middle East, in the middle of the eighteenth century, made contact with Adbul Wahhab, to create a subversive version of Islam, the notorious sect of Wahhabism, which became the founding cult of the Saudi regime. The movement was temporarily suppressed by the Ottomam armies in the middle of the nineteenth century. But with the assistance of the British, the Wahhabis and their Saudi sponsors returned to power and founded their own state in 1932. Since then, the Saudis have collaborated closely with the Americans, to whom they owe their tremendous oil wealth, in funding various Islamic fundamentalist organizations and other American covert operations, particularly the “jihad” in Afghanistan. But the Saudis simultaneously use the immense wealth at their disposal to disseminate this disruptive brand of Islam to various parts of the world, categorized by some of the largest propaganda campaign in history.

Many who defend Wahhabism as a legitimate reform movement of Islam have tried to dismiss the Memoirs as a spurious fabrication. These include Bernard Haykel, Professor in Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, who, without providing any evidence, presumes the Memoirs to have been created by Ayyub Sabri Pasha.

However, while the Memoirs only emerged in the 1970s, Pasha wrote his version of the story already in 1888. Ayyub Sabri Pasha was a well-known Ottoman writer and Turkish naval admiral, who served the Ottoman army in the Arabian Peninsula, writing several works about the region and its history. Including The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism, where he recounts Abdul Wahhab’s association and plotting with Hempher.

In addition to that revealed in the Hempher Memoirs, the Iraqi intelligence report also makes known some surprising claims, derived from works circulated in Arabic which have not been translated into English. As the report recounts, both Abdul Wahhab, and his sponsor, ibn Saud, who founded the Saudi dynasty, were of Jewish origin.

For example, D. Mustafa Turan wrote, in The Donmeh Jews, that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was a descendant of a family of Donmeh Jews from Turkey. The Donmeh were descendants of followers of the infamous false-messiah of Judaism, Shabbetai Zevi, who shocked the Jewish world in 1666 by converting to Islam. Viewing it as a sacred mystery, Zevi’s followers imitated his conversion to Islam, though secretly keeping to their Kabbalistic doctrines. In Europe, the Shabbeteans were eventually led a century later by Jacob Frank, claiming to be a reincarnation of Zevi. And, according to Rabbi Antelman in To Eliminate the Opiate, to them belonged the Rothschilds who had a hand in the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati. The Donmeh community of Turkey were concentrated in the city of Salonika, which became a hotbed of Masonic activity, and from which the Young Turk movement evolved, which aided in the collapse of the Muslim empire of the Ottoman Turks. There is evidence that Ataturk himself, the founder of the modern Turkish state, was of Donmeh origin as well.

Turan maintains that Abdul Wahhab’s grandfather, Sulayman was actually Shulman, having belonged to the Jewish community of Bursa in Turkey. From there he settled in Damascus, where he feigned Islam, but was apparently expelled for practicing sorcery. He then fled to Egypt and he again faced condemnation, so made his way he to the Hijaz, where he got married and fathered Abdul Wahhab. According to the report, the same is claimed in The Donmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahabis, Rifat Salim Kabar.

The notion of the Saudi family being of Jewish heritage has been published by Mohammad Sakher, who, it is claimed, was ordered killed by the regime for his revelations. The report relates a similar account, but from different sources. According The Wahabi Movement/The Truth and Roots, by Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim Al-Shammari, for example, ibn Saud is actually descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Mushi, a Jewish merchant from Basra. Apparently, when he was approached by members from the Arabian tribe of Aniza, then claimed to be one of them, and traveled with them to Najd and his name became Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa.

Additionally, Abdul Wahhab was descended from Wahib Al-Tamimi, so, as reported by al Said Nasir, in The History of the Saud Family, the Saudi ambassador in Cairo, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Mufaddal, paid Muhammad Al-Tamimi thirty-five thousand Jinee in the year 1943, to forge a family tree of the Saudi family and that of Abdul Wahhab, and merge them into one, claiming their origin from the Prophet Mohammed.

While it would be difficult to independently authenticate these claims, they are interesting in light of the role that the state of Saudi Arabia has and continues to play with regards to supporting and advancing Western power in the Middle East and elsewhere. Especially astounding is the very dubious and virulent form of Islam, that Wahhabism and Salafism represent, which is currently wrecking havoc on Islamic traditions, and dividing the Muslim community in petty squabbles over trivial details, allowing the War on Islam to proceed effectively unchecked.

https://www.timesheadline.com/middl...-installation-by-the-british-crown-42667.html

the issue is we really can't believe anyone, today's media has taught us that writers/recorders/reporters will basically write whatever they are paid to write..the chances of something being unadulterated and accurate are about zero.. human beings are simply too faulted to be trusted

 

[mowood3479]

so probably not a great idea to go right back to the same thing that got you banned the last two times is it?


just an fyi,next time it's permanent,you've already run out of rope to hang yourself with so probably a better idea to stay off my radar for a spell...

This is what the USA does to Palestine

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

the issue is we really can't believe anyone, today's media has taught us that writers/recorders/reporters will basically write whatever they are paid to write..the chances of something being unadulterated and accurate are about zero.. human beings are simply too faulted to be trusted

- yes - the media has the ability to obfuscate and confuse the news - by omitting certain details and adding others - amongst many nefarious propaganda tools - to instil often unfounded fears - to forward whatever agenda they might have - to socially and politically engineer those that consume it - transparency and honesty are very rarely expressed - and become the casualties of paid opinions -

 

[mowood3479]

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trump and his idiotic legion of trumptards, are the single greatest threat to american prosperity.

they would rather live within the realms of their own divisive hate and vitriol than see this nation prosper, united, in a rapidly changing world.

these loud mouthed imbeciles are traitors to america,
not her patriots!

Says the guy who wants to take ur job, ur freedom, ur guns and force u to wear a muzzle everywhere u go...
Good luck, hope ur ready

 

[h.h.]

So... debate cancelled then.

Both back in their safe zones. Softball and Covid rallies.

Getting countless emails asking for donations. Mostly from the trump camp, yet more and more for Biden.

Neither one is campaigning hard. Trumps too sick and Biden doesn’t need to. Just as well. It’s all a big waste of funds. The main point of the race it seems mostly is to get money into the coffers.

It will be good to get a change in leadership. Eighty six the madman.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- whilst hunting around on these here intrawebs - came across this graph from 2013 - and I doubt that much has changed -

 

[mowood3479]

- well I guess that if you invaded some tribal lands 100 years ago or so - and gradually occupied them - the natives might get restless - and try to stop the occupation - and fight back -

- and that ain't bullshit -

- perhaps the occupiers are trying to reclaim the lands they once held around 3000 years ago?

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I agree, Israel has zero moral high ground.
They’re an occupying force and Get backs a motherfuker

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

LMAO, Why are they still bothering with that. It will have no impact on the election.







No clue, He lives in Spain

Just joking there hammer,i was referring to the movie The Graduate.....Mrs Robinson (played by Anne Bancroft)

 

[Gry]

the issue is we really can't believe anyone, today's media has taught us that writers/recorders/reporters will basically write whatever they are paid to write..the chances of something being unadulterated and accurate are about zero.. human beings are simply too faulted to be trusted

Today's media ? The Cuban Revolution of 1895, came at a perfect time for Hearst and his New York Journal. ... As the story goes, Remington, who had been sent to Cuba to cover the insurrection, cabled to Hearst that there was no war to cover. Hearst allegedly replied with, "You furnish the pictures. I'll furnish the war."

 

[mowood3479]

My conclusion so far is that mainly the people (admittedly I am one of them)who listen to MSM and the obvious information sources are considered “duped” and hypnotized by them and cannot think for themselves by people leaning to the right. It gets more extreme here and there, but honestly can we trust MSM? As much as I want to believe all the shit I hear on MSNBC, CNN, FOX(yes i watch them all) its impossible to know whats true for sure. Its so polarized. EVERYONE is speculating and for as many times as ive said i know something is a fact someone else feels the same about something i consider super false. Where do we go from here? How can we find common ground? Is anyone else frustrated by the divide? We gotta stop shit talking and try to see other peoples perspectives or were all on track to the worst shape weve ever been in.

I see a Civil war coming.
Hope I’m wrong

 

[bigtacofarmer]

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