The Trump Bomber

[White Beard]

In case you haven’t noticed...

In case you haven’t noticed...

People in communists countries have no say in the way the country is run. The party is in control of everything, any dissent is crushed, with gratuitous violence. I find it ironic so many people complain about the 2 party system. Try living in a single party system.

You seem to have missed our being under single party rule since the GOP got the upper hand....

 

[Zeez]

Or put it back to the Arkansas river. Just about as good.

What about Florida?

 

[bigtacofarmer]

What about Florida?

Rising sea levels and sinkholes seem to have that fugured out.

Or were you talking about their voters? I guess send them out to clean up space trash.

 

[packerfan79]

You seem to have missed our being under single party rule since the GOP got the upper hand....

Their is a huge difference between 1 party being voted in power, and a country that has 1 party. Their is a choice here. You act as if the Democrats have never had control of the government.

 

[Zeez]

Cohen just threw trump under the bus testifying that trump was involved in every step of the McDougal / Stormy Daniels negotiations. His documentation proves what a lying POS sleezebag trump is, but he's probably going to have to give up allot more to keep his ass out of jail.

 

[Mick]

Yeah their is no difference. Lol. So that burglar just became your dinner guest.

Just because you came from a communist country, doesn't mean you are a communist. People in communists countries have no say in the way the country is run. The party is in control of everything, any dissent is crushed, with gratuitous violence. I find it ironic so many people complain about the 2 party system. Try living in a single party system.

It's been a while since I was there, but Kerala in India has been communist for awhile now. The Communist Party there is part of a liberal democracy and can be voted out by the people, and is nothing like what you describe. They have the highest female literacy rates in the country, by far, and from memory every citizen of Kerala was given 4 hectares of land. Seems like an awesome way for the people to push back and to implement radical change, while the government still being accountable.
West Bengal and Tripura also have democratically elected Marxist governments.

 

[St. Phatty]

Their is a huge difference between 1 party being voted in power, and a country that has 1 party. Their is a choice here. You act as if the Democrats have never had control of the government.

That's just Christmas window dressing, which comes in 2 primary colors - Dem. & Repug.

Israel has complete functional control of the US government.

USA, 1776 to 2001, Not Resting in Peace.

United States of Israel, born 9-11-2001.

 

[Sertaiz]

It's been a while since I was there, but Kerala in India has been communist for awhile now. The Communist Party there is part of a liberal democracy and can be voted out by the people, and is nothing like what you describe. They have the highest female literacy rates in the country, by far, and from memory every citizen of Kerala was given 4 hectares of land. Seems like an awesome way for the people to push back and to implement radical change, while the government still being accountable.
West Bengal and Tripura also have democratically elected Marxist governments.

wow, that is great information to check out. land for the masses seems like a foolproof way to distribute and equalize wealth just a little, the poor would benefit hugely in this system and be given a start, rather than lured into spending their hourly wage on plastic and metal objects and plastic food

 

[packerfan79]

wow, that is great information to check out. land for the masses seems like a foolproof way to distribute and equalize wealth just a little, the poor would benefit hugely in this system and be given a start, rather than lured into spending their hourly wage on plastic and metal objects and plastic food

The poor are inevitable the victims of communism. Yeah sure the communist kill a few social elites of society and government. Inevitably the people are the victims, mass starvation doesn't affect the party elite. It's a change from class struggle to a government struggle. Either way the elites will rule, just different elites. Elites with more power.

 

[subrob]

Fukn stupid Americans STILL haven't figured out what communism is. Haaha.
@packerfan, uhhhh...the people bitching about a two party system aren't aiming for a one party system, in case you either can't or won't discern the difference.

 

[packerfan79]

Fukn stupid Americans STILL haven't figured out what communism is. Haaha.
@packerfan, uhhhh...the people bitching about a two party system aren't aiming for a one party system, in case you either can't or won't discern the difference.

I am not claiming a 2 party system is perfect. It's lightyears ahead of a single party system. I am all for 3rd party candidates and independents. I am actually not a member of a political party. I could in theory join the libertarian party, if it truly was libertarian .

I am quite aware of what communism is. It seems that the left can't grasp how forcing every person in society to conform to what is best for the masses, regardless of the rights of the individual. Might not be a good idea. The evidence speaks for itself, just because you believe "It will work this time, It's never been done right" doesn't change the facts. It's been a massive failure everytime.

If you want to live on a commune and practice the ideaology on a local (voluntary) basis, you are more than welcome. I might even join you. As far as society communalism is a good thing. As a government no so much.

 

[igrowone]

again what is communism?
must it adhere to Karl Marx's original writings?
and if doesn't match said writings it's not communism?
the word gets thrown around and means pretty much - not much

 

[St. Phatty]

Russia is not communist

More like Feudalism.

Like the US, and different.

 

[White Beard]

again what is communism?
must it adhere to Karl Marx's original writings?
and if doesn't match said writings it's not communism?
the word gets thrown around and means pretty much - not much

Much like “love”, “god”, “adult”....

Much of it depends on *who* is doing the defining...and on *what* they expect to get out of it.

Marx was an economist, not a politician; the “communist manifesto” was his attempt to extract a political stance from the massive work he’d already done...and failing, IMO. I have never taken it as more than a source of misunderstandings.

Still, definition is important *especially* when there are competing/clashing definitions...and we live in a world running on deception, deceit, and misinformation. Our *lives* can depend on the ‘definition’ that gets stapled to us, whether accurate or wildly inaccurate.

These days, dueling definitions of hot-button terms is reserved for the poo-flinging portion of the conversation....kinda like satanist, Zionist, or baby raper

 

[igrowone]

Much like “love”, “god”, “adult”....

Much of it depends on *who* is doing the defining...and on *what* they expect to get out of it.

Marx was an economist, not a politician; the “communist manifesto” was his attempt to extract a political stance from the massive work he’d already done...and failing, IMO. I have never taken it as more than a source of misunderstandings.

Still, definition is important *especially* when there are competing/clashing definitions...and we live in a world running on deception, deceit, and misinformation. Our *lives* can depend on the ‘definition’ that gets stapled to us, whether accurate or wildly inaccurate.

These days, dueling definitions of hot-button terms is reserved for the poo-flinging portion of the conversation....kinda like satanist, Zionist, or baby raper

there was a time back in 1918-1921(or so)
when 'true' communism was tried
in particular from the manifesto, the elimination of private property, Lenin called it 'looting the looters'
interesting result, Russia descended into a giant riot and the country was becoming ungovernable
hard reboot, Lenin introduces the New Economic Policy
and that was the end of pure communism, at least by the book of Marx school

 

[Hammerhead]

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[White Beard]

A perfect example

A perfect example

there was a time back in 1918-1921(or so)
when 'true' communism was tried
in particular from the manifesto, the elimination of private property, Lenin called it 'looting the looters'
interesting result, Russia descended into a giant riot and the country was becoming ungovernable
hard reboot, Lenin introduces the New Economic Policy
and that was the end of pure communism, at least by the book of Marx school

The “elimination of private property” is a classic of “manifesto” silliness. I know it won’t help to point out that in Russia at the time, he was not talking about personal possessions, he was talking about the fact that everything not owned by the nobility and their favorites was owned by the Tsar. In such a ‘system’, redistribution of property for the purpose of allowing non-nobles to have land they could build on and work. Yes, that didn’t work out, but then the Communist manifesto is not a working handbook for a better system. Marx should have left off at Das Kapital....

 

[Zeez]

When Hungary got free all the real estate assets got sold off. Wealthy Germans had the money and bought em up. Didn't go well for the Hungarian people.

 

[Klompen]

When Hungary got free all the real estate assets got sold off. Wealthy Germans had the money and bought em up. Didn't go well for the Hungarian people.

This happened in Russia too. Yeltsin was America's bitch(to put it nicely). Bill Clinton is so proud of this fact that his library recently released a whole bunch of transcripts of conversations between Clinton and Yeltsin showing just how dominated he was. Putin came to power because he was a relatively impartial nobody who the powers that be believed could be controlled, but boy were they wrong. Not only has he taken control of the government in a big way but he has also pushed out foreign investors who were plundering Russia.

That's the good part of course. The bad part is that now there's a Russian oligarchy in place and they are only loosely under Putin's control and indeed are the biggest threat to his base of power. A big reason Putin has pushed popular military actions in Ukraine and Syria is that as long as he is seen by the people and the military as a successful commander in chief, they will keep him in power regardless of what monied interests have to say. The big danger in this is that in cases like Syria, Putin has no choice but to lock horns with the USA(even if it risks nuclear war) because failure to do so will collapse the Russian arms industry and essentially crush his plans to build up a counter-balance to American hegemony. Worse yet for him, it would end his presidency.

So right now it seems like the major powers in the world are either pushing for local oligarchy or global oligarchy. Nobody in any serious position of global power seems to be advocating for common folks.

 

[Gry]

When it comes to Communism, it is helpful to have an appreciation of paradox.
In the second World War, we fucked the most staunch ally we ever had.
Took about 2 years for Madison Ave, and their brethren in Hollywood to paint them as
an impeding threat.

Some things never change...