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Cannagurl

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I appreciate the full response. Just to be super clear, no, I do not care one teeny little bit about you or anyone else selling seeds. I'm glad there are still lots of smaller producers. My concern was purely about the origins of Sweet Tooth, and that it was not Barney's. Nothing more than that. I'm thinking I may have mis-read something in your first comments in the thread, so I'm going to go back and re-read all of this from the top. Reserving any further comments until I do that.

I still have quite a few sweettooth 3 seeds left over from beanhoarder.

I remember Back in the day he made tons of crosses with it.

He said:
o Spice of Life (SOL/Breeder Steve) made the original with DJ's Blueberry to create Sweet Tooth (ST1). The strain was then back crossed to the Grapefruit clone to create Sweet Tooth two (ST2) and once again to further bring out even more Grapefruit goodness creating Sweet Tooth 3 (ST3) or what could be called a Sweet Pink Grapefruit cubed or a BX3. Although ST3's not totally identical to the Grapefruit cutting, it's a very good proximity with all its yummy qualities and some examples are actually an improvement on the already excellent Sweet Pink Grapefruit cut.
 

Wolverine97

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I still have quite a few sweettooth 3 seeds left over from beanhoarder.

I remember Back in the day he made tons of crosses with it.

He said:
o Spice of Life (SOL/Breeder Steve) made the original with DJ's Blueberry to create Sweet Tooth (ST1). The strain was then back crossed to the Grapefruit clone to create Sweet Tooth two (ST2) and once again to further bring out even more Grapefruit goodness creating Sweet Tooth 3 (ST3) or what could be called a Sweet Pink Grapefruit cubed or a BX3. Although ST3's not totally identical to the Grapefruit cutting, it's a very good proximity with all its yummy qualities and some examples are actually an improvement on the already excellent Sweet Pink Grapefruit cut.
Oh nice, you should pop those. But yeah, I get all of that. I just didn't realize DJ was directly, and willingly involved in the cross himself.
 

Cannagurl

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Oh nice, you should pop those. But yeah, I get all of that. I just didn't realize DJ was directly, and willingly involved in the cross himself.

Damnit, I have too many things to grow already...but you've Convinced me.

Im Going to grow one outside this year for old times sake.

I know I have a pack of his SWT x C99's also. But I'm going tonstick with the original.
 

nepalnt21

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This is my take on grapefruit cannabis smells - There are basically 2 elements to the grapefruit smell (which appear both separately and together in Lemon Thai.) there is
1. -a sharp/fruity/pithy smell which on its own is almost like the smell you get from rubbing against tomato plants.. this ST clone has just that element to it.
2 a citrus/lemon smell - not really present in this ST clone
i wish you guys had black walnut over there (the things are weeds here), i'd ask you if #1 is like the smell of black walnut husks when they're green and still on the tree... i think i know the smell you mean, only black walnuts and cannabis products things that do the grapefruit thing are the only two places i know of with the smell... but it isn't unlike the tomato greenery smell now that you mention it, that must be the same thing as i'm thinking of.

have you had soma's nycd?
 

VerdantGreen

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7 weeks now, looking good and frosty and the long buds are filling out a bit.. although this 2.5 gallon pot of soil isn't really enough for it i don't think.. this plant has real vigor. Bigger pots and bigger light next time...
Sweet and kind of creamy but also something sharp and fruity going on behind that. been picking off some leaves as they start to fade.
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kro-magnon

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There’s a guy on instagram calling himself copycat genetics. What he does, is buying elite clones, s1 them and give it to the public hahahaha no morals but shitloads of money hahahaha
It might seem immoral to you but it depends how much he's selling his seeds, to me what is immoral is the price asked for some famous clones, seeing snips sold for hundreds of dollars or euros is disgusting to me. A snip or clone should not be sold for more than 30/50$ or €, in Austria the clones shops are selling rooted clones for 15/20€ a piece, that's a decent price and you can find some certified clones of famous hybrids for this price.
 

DaEarl73

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It might seem immoral to you but it depends how much he's selling his seeds, to me what is immoral is the price asked for some famous clones, seeing snips sold for hundreds of dollars or euros is disgusting to me. A snip or clone should not be sold for more than 30/50$ or €, in Austria the clones shops are selling rooted clones for 15/20€ a piece, that's a decent price and you can find some certified clones of famous hybrids for this price.
You can’t compare most clones they sell in Austria to some elite clones. And there are some selling elite clones too for 2000 in Austria. If you want it you pay it. If you have it, you do what you want with it, crossing selfing , reselling etc. the guy is at least honest and doesn’t act like he invented the wheel again. Doesn’t look sympathetic though, so I wouldn’t put my money there. Just in it for the money. Then there are others they steal your gear and sell it as their own, that’s immoral, like Barney putting a trademark on mimosa and they didn’t even breed it themselves.
 

kro-magnon

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Bless you.

With no evidence at all (!) I hazard that "Sweet Tooth") is such a common phrase that it's fairly likely that two or more breeders who hit upon some sweet tasting genetics quite independently called their new strains "Sweet Tooth" and the rest of us are left to cope with the confusion ever since 🤔😂
There is a similar situation with Blueberry now, some people claim the "original" blueberry is coming from somewhere in Alaska and DJ Short version came after. It's absolutely possible there are several breeders who named their work Blueberry because their weed had the smell or even just the color of the berry, who knows?
What we know is the work of DJ Short is extremely well documented and was shared from the beginning of his endeavor with his different genetics.
The Sweet Tooth is certainly another name several breeders used to call their plants because they had a sugary smell/taste, but the one we all know as THE ST is from breeder Steve originally there is no doubt about that.It was copied and replicated by many as were most of the famous names in the game because it's easier to sell a known name to uneducated growers.
 

kro-magnon

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You can’t compare most clones they sell in Austria to some elite clones. And there are some selling elite clones too for 2000 in Austria. If you want it you pay it. If you have it, you do what you want with it, crossing selfing , reselling etc. the guy is at least honest and doesn’t act like he invented the wheel again. Doesn’t look sympathetic though, so I wouldn’t put my money there. Just in it for the money. Then there are others they steal your gear and sell it as their own, that’s immoral, like Barney putting a trademark on mimosa and they didn’t even breed it themselves.
I have not seen clone elite sold at 2000€ in Austria but it's possible for sure, it's a personal choice indeed but IMO it is immoral to make indecent profits on the demand, that's my point of view on this matter not everybody has to agree with it of course.
Being honest about what you sell is the minimum for me but it's not an industry standard in the cannabis seeds business as you said Barney's Farm and other big players are acting like they are the creators of many strains they just bought from the real makers.
If some growers are able to spend 2000€ on a name I know some will hapilly sell it to them but I find this disgusting and don't want to ba part of such culture.
 

DaEarl73

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I don’t call it culture, because there is too much envy and hating going on , that it doesn’t seem to be very cultural hahahaha I understand your point though and would agree to it. Prices are so high maybe, that the copycat at least has to invest into your work before stealing it hahahaha who knows
 

kro-magnon

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I've got some beans called 'Tim's blueberry sativa'. i don't know who Tim is, but the plants are sativa and have some of that BB taste.

Kinda like 'cat-piss'. i had a pheno of Jack Flash that smelled like a litter box and was a great stone. Unfortunately, I didn't know about the plantlet method then and every grow was from seeds.

FYI-I thought the 'sweet' came from the name of sweet pink grapefruit or well-grown buds looked rolled in sugar
Today there are countless blueberry this or that, impossible to list all the different seeds or clones with Blueberry in their name because it is so much known they know it will sell, just like some people use the term Skunk or Sour Diesel for absolutely anything vaguely smelling similar to the originals, it's just a marketing tool; We just have to be careful to not fall for this type of traps.
Jack Flash is a great hybrid, they had a cut at the hash museum run by Sensi Seeds in Amsterdam but never allowed me to take one home sadly,I would have liked growing the Sensi keeper of jack Flash, the plants it was doing were looking really great in the basement of the museum, I don't really remember the smell but I don't think it reminded me of cat piss this one, but it's possible other phenotypes had this specific smell.
 

JetLife175

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It might seem immoral to you but it depends how much he's selling his seeds, to me what is immoral is the price asked for some famous clones, seeing snips sold for hundreds of dollars or euros is disgusting to me. A snip or clone should not be sold for more than 30/50$ or €, in Austria the clones shops are selling rooted clones for 15/20€ a piece, that's a decent price and you can find some certified clones of famous hybrids for this price.
Tell that to Dr GT who charged us all 100 bucks a bean to get our hands on the g13.

He paid crazy money for it, and got little seed. He had to make it back somehow right?
 

Morphote

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Man @Chimera could turn this thread on its head in about 3 sentences. Once upon a time I knew all this info being discussed. My memory is foggy but I'll give it the old college try. First, I grew ST. It was initially offered by SOL/Breeder Steve. I remember reading about his setup, where he fed his fish and his fish water was cycled through his plants, feeding his plants. I also remember people saying that Breeder Steve was not a breeder. That was the joke. He didn't create ST. I forget the backstory but I think it was a clone he got his hands on and outcrossed to a DJS male, meaning absolutely no breeding was actually done. I mean no disrespect to Steve, because as I understand it he was in on the joke. If SOTF was still here he would be the one telling you all this, and a lot more I'm sure.

M.
 

Wolverine97

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Man @Chimera could turn this thread on its head in about 3 sentences. Once upon a time I knew all this info being discussed. My memory is foggy but I'll give it the old college try. First, I grew ST. It was initially offered by SOL/Breeder Steve. I remember reading about his setup, where he fed his fish and his fish water was cycled through his plants, feeding his plants. I also remember people saying that Breeder Steve was not a breeder. That was the joke. He didn't create ST. I forget the backstory but I think it was a clone he got his hands on and outcrossed to a DJS male, meaning absolutely no breeding was actually done. I mean no disrespect to Steve, because as I understand it he was in on the joke. If SOTF was still here he would be the one telling you all this, and a lot more I'm sure.

M.
Sure seems to be the case after talking to a few other people. Exactly as you wrote it there...
 

kro-magnon

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Tell that to Dr GT who charged us all 100 bucks a bean to get our hands on the g13.

He paid crazy money for it, and got little seed. He had to make it back somehow right?
First no one forced him to spend an insane amount of money for a plant and he could have made his money back and more by selling clones at decent price for years; he chose to make seeds instead to keep the original rare and hardly accessible to other, this is the problem of the clone elite culture.
 

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