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PetePrice said:
That is SPG related for sure IMO.
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i read that the SPG clone was semi-autoflowering and that made it hard to keep SOL Sweet Tooth mother plants long term... didn't SOL keep bx'ing to SPG to make ST4 etc ?

This is my take on grapefruit cannabis smells - There are basically 2 elements to the grapefruit smell (which appear both separately and together in Lemon Thai.) there is
1. -a sharp/fruity/pithy smell which on its own is almost like the smell you get from rubbing against tomato plants.. this ST clone has just that element to it.
2 a citrus/lemon smell - not really present in this ST clone

those two together make a 'straight' grapefruit smell ime... and if you add a sweet/sickly ripe fruit smell on top it then becomes very much Pineapple.
Just my take on it.
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Yes that is a trait of the SPG but it doesn't mean all outcrosses do it. I will leave the thread now but I do think that is SPG related and therefore from SOL originally. The reason the backcrossing was a bad move was as Chimera said at the time the SPG is highly heterozygous.

someone elses pic of SPG -

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Hey i respect your opinions @PetePrice, But that isn't the story that came with this clone
from all my reading there were quite a few seedbanks who released ST in the early 2000's and apart from SOL they all list the genetics as Afghan, Hawaiian, and Nepali.
SOL is the only one i can see who's ST is SPG x BB,
this is from a seedfinder website called 10buds.com ( i don't think IC will want me to post a link )

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The breeders at Barney’s Farm wanted to create an indica-dominant hybrid that brought playful flavor to the table. By crossing Afghan, Hawaiian, and Nepali landraces together, Sweet Tooth seeds were born.

Overall, Sweet Tooth was an immediate hit with cannabis enthusiasts and medical marijuana patients worldwide. The Sweet Tooth strain proved itself in the 2000 and 2001 High Times Cannabis Cup, where it won first place each year.

Ultimately, the cannabis community fell head-over-heels for Sweet Tooth’s delicious terpenes and long-lasting effects. Furthermore, cultivators were instantly attracted to Sweet Tooth’s ease of growth.

However, do not mistake Barney’s Farm’s Sweet Tooth with The Spice of Life’s Sweet Tooth strain. The Spice of Life created an alternate version of Sweet Tooth by crossing Sweet Pink Grapefruit and Blueberry."

VG
 
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Your thread is nice brother. I enjoy your information and pictures. Also the back and forth with others is good. I never realized there were other genetics for ST other than that of Afghan, Hawaiian, and Nepali. This was the first I heard of the SPG x BB. And you are correct, ST is very easy to grow and is overall rewarding.

Sweet Tooth will always have a place in my garden. It is a nice growing plant and offers a well rounded experience for flavors, aromas, and a long lasting high. A couple of my friends request Sweet Tooth every so often so I make sure there is always some available for them. There is a quarter pound of it in one of my Cannatrol units that has been curing since last year. I just took some out a week ago for a couple of big fat spleefs. Man the burn rate is slow and it never gets a run. Good ole Sweet Tooth.
 
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I'm aware of Copycat. There are several guys doing that these days, as well as most Spanish and Dutch
VerdantGreen said:
Hey i respect your opinions @PetePrice, But that isn't the story that came with this clone
from all my reading there were quite a few seedbanks who released ST in the early 2000's and apart from SOL they all list the genetics as Afghan, Hawaiian, and Nepali.
SOL is the only one i can see who's ST is SPG x BB,
this is from a seedfinder website called 10buds.com ( i don't think IC will want me to post a link )

"
The breeders at Barney’s Farm wanted to create an indica-dominant hybrid that brought playful flavor to the table. By crossing Afghan, Hawaiian, and Nepali landraces together, Sweet Tooth seeds were born.

Overall, Sweet Tooth was an immediate hit with cannabis enthusiasts and medical marijuana patients worldwide. The Sweet Tooth strain proved itself in the 2000 and 2001 High Times Cannabis Cup, where it won first place each year.

Ultimately, the cannabis community fell head-over-heels for Sweet Tooth’s delicious terpenes and long-lasting effects. Furthermore, cultivators were instantly attracted to Sweet Tooth’s ease of growth.

However, do not mistake Barney’s Farm’s Sweet Tooth with The Spice of Life’s Sweet Tooth strain. The Spice of Life created an alternate version of Sweet Tooth by crossing Sweet Pink Grapefruit and Blueberry."

VG
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I see it exactly opposite... Barney's, and others are the ones who produced "alternate" versions of "ST". Which is pretty much par for the course for the Dutch scene. And the timeline bears this out. But if they aren't even the same base genetics, is it fair to even call them by the same name? SOL is the original, and as I see it the ONLY legit Sweet Tooth. Everything else is an imitation.

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I remember sweet tooth being somehow related to shishkaberry.

At least on the same seed lists…there is an old pic of the seeds I ordered but not sure where it was posted…

Iirc, it was 2 versions of shishkaberry made with a red and yellow afghani hit to blueberry???
 
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Wolverine97 said:
I see it exactly opposite... Barney's, and others are the ones who produced "alternate" versions of "ST". Which is pretty much par for the course for the Dutch scene.
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Ok you've made that clear. Some would agree with you some wouldn't.
There are 24 versions of ST listed on the site you linked. Some cite SOL's genetics and some cite Barney's genetics.
The story i researched relating to the clone seems to fit better with the seedlines coming out of Holland.
VG

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Drippy Sally said:
Your thread is nice brother. I enjoy your information and pictures. Also the back and forth with others is good. I never realized there were other genetics for ST other than that of Afghan, Hawaiian, and Nepali. This was the first I heard of the SPG x BB. And you are correct, ST is very easy to grow and is overall rewarding.

Sweet Tooth will always have a place in my garden. It is a nice growing plant and offers a well rounded experience for flavors, aromas, and a long lasting high. A couple of my friends request Sweet Tooth every so often so I make sure there is always some available for them. There is a quarter pound of it in one of my Cannatrol units that has been curing since last year. I just took some out a week ago for a couple of big fat spleefs. Man the burn rate is slow and it never gets a run. Good ole Sweet Tooth.
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Hi, thanks for the encouragement ! - and i think it depends on where/when you first came across ST as to your opinions on the genetics thing.. but people do have their loyalties and strong opinions for sure.
This ST clone is now the fastest rooting plant i have! almost less than 7 days it seems, and the vigor is impressive i can see why it was good for commercial production !

VG :tiphat:
 
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VerdantGreen said:
Ok you've made that clear. Some would agree with you some wouldn't.
There are 24 versions of ST listed on the site you linked. Some cite SOL's genetics and some cite Barney's genetics.
The story i researched relating to the clone seems to fit better with the seedlines coming out of Holland.
VG

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The release dates make everything crystal clear.
 
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I am not sure why anyone believes what most seed banks write about the origins of their strains. It seems to me that the vast majority of seeds sold began life as a one-in-thousand plant that was cloned, and then the seed banks try to make the clone available in seed form, by selfing it or crossing it with a known reliable father, or something similar, and presenting it as the "original". If you are very lucky or very well connected, you might get hold of a true clone of skunk or nl or og kush or g13 or whatever but the chances are, you will just have some pale imitation of the original, because the original came from a justifiably paranoid, bearded hippie who lives halfway up a mountain and speaks to noone. I strongly doubt the story is any different for Sweet Tooth. Some guy (or gal) made a great cross, by accident or design, and at some point a descendant of it found it's way into the hands of someone in Holland who had the wherewithal to market some seeds (which may themselves be good... or not). which contain something of the original.
 
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limegreenlimey said:
I am not sure why anyone believes what most seed banks write about the origins of their strains. It seems to me that the vast majority of seeds sold began life as a one-in-thousand plant that was cloned, and then the seed banks try to make the clone available in seed form, by selfing it or crossing it with a known reliable father, or something similar, and presenting it as the "original". If you are very lucky or very well connected, you might get hold of a true clone of skunk or nl or og kush or g13 or whatever but the chances are, you will just have some pale imitation of the original, because the original came from a justifiably paranoid, bearded hippie who lives halfway up a mountain and speaks to noone. I strongly doubt the story is any different for Sweet Tooth. Some guy (or gal) made a great cross, by accident or design, and at some point a descendant of it found it's way into the hands of someone in Holland who had the wherewithal to market some seeds which contain something of the original (which may themselves be good or not).
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Breeder Steve is that hippy, but he's clean shaven! Shishkaberry, Blockhead, and Sweet Tooth are what made him famous, and this happened mid-late 90's. I think getting the provenance right is super important, and credit to the right people who put in the work (in a far more risky environment to work in than A'dam). It just bothers me to see this questioned, so many years later. Steve, and SOL deserve to be acknowledged, and respected, and I think it does him a huge dis-service when people suggest that he ripped it off from the Dutch. The fact is, most Dutch lines were ripped from US growers originally, and this is no exception.

VG; I don't beat this drum to denigrate what you have. I just want the facts made clear to all, and SOL to get the respect deserved. I'm not sure when you got into weed, or where, but this was happening as I was coming into growing. Sweet Tooth was very popular here in my area around y2k (I started growing in '96).

There are interviews out there where he goes into elaborate detail about the origins of Sweet Tooth, Shishkaberry, Blockhead, etc...
 
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Wolverine97 said:
Breeder Steve is that hippy, but he's clean shaven! Shishkaberry, Blockhead, and Sweet Tooth are what made him famous, and this happened mid-late 90's. I think getting the provenance right is super important, and credit to the right people who put in the work (in a far more risky environment to work in than A'dam). It just bothers me to see this questioned, so many years later. Steve, and SOL deserve to be acknowledged, and respected, and I think it does him a huge dis-service when people suggest that he ripped it off from the Dutch. The fact is, most Dutch lines were ripped from US growers originally, and this is no exception.

VG; I don't beat this drum to denigrate what you have. I just want the facts made clear to all, and SOL to get the respect deserved. I'm not sure when you got into weed, or where, but this was happening as I was coming into growing. Sweet Tooth was very popular here in my area around y2k (I started growing in '96).

There are interviews out there where he goes into elaborate detail about the origins of Sweet Tooth, Shishkaberry, Blockhead, etc...
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I agree. I am not casting any shade on the breeder. Not at all. I have enormous respect for the people who are the creators by accident (for argument's sake: haze bros) or design (likewise: Steve). My point is: by the time their work becomes accessible to your every day Joe, it's seldom true to its origins. In many cases, it cannot be true to its origins because that magic plant is so often a one off, "clone only" creation and to make it available in seed form, it must be... tinkered with, diluted, bastardised... however you want to put it (almost certainly not by the original breeder). However good they may be (and I did very much enjoy the Barney's sweet tooth I had from their shop in 2008ish), I very much doubt that it was the same Sweet Tooth that Steve created.

Me: growing (no longer) since 1994. No special connections or access to clone only strains. Just an ordinary seed buying amateur grower with many grows behind me.

Sorry if I upset you. Not my intention
 
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limegreenlimey said:
I agree. I am not casting any shade on the breeder. Not at all. I have enormous respect for the people who are the creators by accident (for argument's sake: haze bros) or design (likewise: Steve). My point is: by the time their work becomes accessible to your every day Joe, it's seldom true to its origins. In many cases, it cannot be true to its origins because that magic plant is so often a one off, "clone only" creation and to make it available in seed form, it must be... tinkered with, diluted, bastardised... however you want to put it (almost certainly not by the original breeder). However good they may be (and I did very much enjoy the Barney's sweet tooth I had from their shop in 2008ish), I very much doubt that it was the same Sweet Tooth that Steve created.

Me: growing (no longer) since 1994. No special connections or access to clone only strains. Just an ordinary seed buying amateur grower with many grows behind me.

Sorry if I upset you. Not my intention
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No man, you're good. Text is weird. I took no offense at all, I just wanted to attempt to add some clarity to a muddy issue. To muddy it up some more, there is some (maybe much) merit to what CountryBoy posted earlier in the thread about "Chaz" (which is a specific version of what you suggested with the old hippy in the hills). And VG mentioned him in his first comment in the thread as well, to be fair.

To clarify what I'm saying, I'm just talking about the first public release of "Sweet Tooth". Where the average home grower would have been able to get it. I don't doubt that someone had some private line with the same name, whether it's the same plant... no clue.
 
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