The Sweet Tooth Clone

[limegreenlimey]

No man, you're good. Text is weird. I took no offense at all, I just wanted to attempt to add some clarity to a muddy issue. To muddy it up some more, there is some (maybe much) merit to what CountryBoy posted earlier in the thread about "Chaz" (which is a specific version of what you suggested with the old hippy in the hills). To clarify what I'm saying, I'm talking about the first public release of "Sweet Tooth". I don't doubt that someone had some private line with the same name, whether it's the same plant... no clue.

Bless you.

With no evidence at all (!) I hazard that "Sweet Tooth") is such a common phrase that it's fairly likely that two or more breeders who hit upon some sweet tasting genetics quite independently called their new strains "Sweet Tooth" and the rest of us are left to cope with the confusion ever since

 

[w33dstar]

Another ST3 SOL Shot

 

[Wolverine97]

Ok you've made that clear. Some would agree with you some wouldn't.
There are 24 versions of ST listed on the site you linked. Some cite SOL's genetics and some cite Barney's genetics.
The story i researched relating to the clone seems to fit better with the seedlines coming out of Holland.
VG

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Hey, don't know what happened there, but that is not what I was trying to link. I will try again.

Sweet Tooth (Spice of Life Seeds) :: Cannabis Strain Info :: SeedFinder.eu

Independent, standardized information about Spice of Life Seeds cannabis-strain Sweet Tooth! Find phenotypes, comments + detailed profiles, flowering-time, THC-Content, images, prices & stores, extended family-tree & lineages, crossings & hybrids, grow-journals, direct-comparisons, medicinal...

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edit: that's strange... I linked the exact same page I had up previously, the normal seedfinder page. No clue why it went to that listing of every sweet tooth hybrid and auto version out there... not what I intended.

 

[VerdantGreen]

I think getting the provenance right is super important, and credit to the right people who put in the work (in a far more risky environment to work in than A'dam). It just bothers me to see this questioned, so many years later. Steve, and SOL deserve to be acknowledged, and respected, and I think it does him a huge dis-service when people suggest that he ripped it off from the Dutch. The fact is, most Dutch lines were ripped from US growers originally, and this is no exception.

VG; I don't beat this drum to denigrate what you have. I just want the facts made clear to all, and SOL to get the respect deserved. I'm not sure when you got into weed, or where, but this was happening as I was coming into growing. Sweet Tooth was very popular here in my area around y2k (I started growing in '96).

Hi, first off i don't think anyone is suggesting that SOL/Steve ripped anything off the Dutch. SOL Sweet Tooth may well have come first and i would agree with it being a 'Canadian classic'.
I started growing in the late 80's (UK) and the world wasn't so well connected then, at that time the only way for us to get seeds was either bag seed or someone drive to Amsterdam.. so everyone's journey is different.. i didn't get involved with the online canna scene until i joined this site 15 or so years ago.
I was given this clone with a vague outline of the story behind it and i researched it myself. The old guy in Mendo who it came from told me the history as best as he could remember (only after i privately pressed him for it) and it seems to jive with the versions of Sweet Tooth that were released in Holland. He said the pic of Barney's ST that won the cup was his line grown under lights. That is the provenance from the guy it came from.. who is going to gain nothing from this, no money and not even any 'glory'...and if you're worried about me making money then don't. this is a hobby that at my level barely pays for itself. if i was in it for the money i'd be selling weed. I like preserving old lines so here we are.
I agree provenance is important so that is the story i have researched and therefore shared. I can understand some schepticism, especially from over the pond where the reputation of the Dutch seedbanks is not great...
I think it is plausible that the Barneys version and other Dutch versions of ST have different origins to the SOL ST. You and others assume that the Dutch must have ripped it off, which i admit not unreasonable given some of the stories about them.
When i started reading about ST online in about it was already being reported that it had gone downhill wasn't the same as it had been - so i was pretty excited to receive a legit old clone as i hadn't grown it before. I started a thread to document it.
VG

 

[limegreenlimey]

Another origin story from a vendor claiming access to the SOL genetics

Sweet Tooth #4

This is a limited F2 release of the famed and now abandoned line of potent, fruity indicas that Breeder Steve of Spice of Life Seeds worked for nearly a decade, from the late 90’s to 2005. Original…

fdmseeds.com

 

[El Timbo]

When i started reading about ST online in about it was already being reported that it had gone downhill wasn't the same as it had been - so i was pretty excited to receive a legit old clone as i hadn't grown it before. I started a thread to document it.
VG

A lot of growers were disappointed with Sweet Tooth #4 compared to #3 - it looks like it's a case of Barney's using the same name for something completely different - which is odd as it was a famous name in the late 90s/early 00s

 

[El Timbo]

Another origin story from a vendor claiming access to the SOL genetics

Sweet Tooth #4

This is a limited F2 release of the famed and now abandoned line of potent, fruity indicas that Breeder Steve of Spice of Life Seeds worked for nearly a decade, from the late 90’s to 2005. Original…

fdmseeds.com

#4 was a further backcross to SPG - i.e., SPG x ST#3

 

[zaprjaques]

from 2:02:30 breeder steve is talking sweet tooth.

edit: from 1:20:00 hes talking more about sweet tooth, knock offs and barneys farm if anyone is interested.
at 2:02:30 its just the story about the blueberry male that he used to create sweet tooth and i think 4 more f1 crosses. apologies for that.

 

[El Timbo]

In this interview he says 1995 for ST https://www.lamarihuana.com/foros/i...steve-el-criador-de-spice-of-life-seed.21399/

 

[w33dstar]

ST3 SOL Macro,all Pics made be me.
I have also Pics from Shiska and Grapefruit.

Greets W33d.

 

[Wolverine97]

Hi, first off i don't think anyone is suggesting that SOL/Steve ripped anything off the Dutch. SOL Sweet Tooth may well have come first and i would agree with it being a 'Canadian classic'.
I started growing in the late 80's (UK) and the world wasn't so well connected then, at that time the only way for us to get seeds was either bag seed or someone drive to Amsterdam.. so everyone's journey is different.. i didn't get involved with the online canna scene until i joined this site 15 or so years ago.
I was given this clone with a vague outline of the story behind it and i researched it myself. The old guy in Mendo who it came from told me the history as best as he could remember (only after i privately pressed him for it) and it seems to jive with the versions of Sweet Tooth that were released in Holland. He said the pic of Barney's ST that won the cup was his line grown under lights. That is the provenance from the guy it came from.. who is going to gain nothing from this, no money and not even any 'glory'...and if you're worried about me making money then don't. this is a hobby that at my level barely pays for itself. if i was in it for the money i'd be selling weed. I like preserving old lines so here we are.
I agree provenance is important so that is the story i have researched and therefore shared. I can understand some schepticism, especially from over the pond where the reputation of the Dutch seedbanks is not great...
I think it is plausible that the Barneys version and other Dutch versions of ST have different origins to the SOL ST. You and others assume that the Dutch must have ripped it off, which i admit not unreasonable given some of the stories about them.
When i started reading about ST online in about it was already being reported that it had gone downhill wasn't the same as it had been - so i was pretty excited to receive a legit old clone as i hadn't grown it before. I started a thread to document it.
VG

I appreciate the full response. Just to be super clear, no, I do not care one teeny little bit about you or anyone else selling seeds. I'm glad there are still lots of smaller producers. My concern was purely about the origins of Sweet Tooth, and that it was not Barney's. Nothing more than that. I'm thinking I may have mis-read something in your first comments in the thread, so I'm going to go back and re-read all of this from the top. Reserving any further comments until I do that.

 

[Rgd]

i thought you guys might like to see my sweet tooth #4 i grew for 7 years. no mothers, just cloning off each generation.

one of dutch flowers [sample a,b,c,]...experimental seeds looked just like that....

...did it in krusty bucket with co2 it got huge..

 

[greyfader]

one of dutch flowers [sample a,b,c,]...experimental seeds looked just like that....

...did it in krusty bucket with co2 it got huge..

i don't know how this got posted twice!

this came out of a 10 seed spice of life pack.

from seedfinder; "The mother was selected from a third generation inbred Swt line, the father the same as the Swt#3. The selected mother is an early Swt that has proven quite mold resistant."

potency was good but not great but it had a profound pain relieving effect. muscle and joint pain, very relaxing and tension relieving.

 

[ReprobateMind]

I could be wrong but I believe the ST#3 from SOL that I bought from SeedsDirect like twenty-four years ago had 12 seeds in it. I've grown a lot of seeds since then but ST#3 is the one that I wish I still had out of all of them.

 

[greyfader]

I could be wrong but I believe the ST#3 from SOL that I bought from SeedsDirect like twenty-four years ago had 12 seeds in it. I've grown a lot of seeds since then but ST#3 is the one that I wish I still had out of all of them.

i think that maybe mine came out of a 12 pack too. it's been 15 years.

 

[goldust1970]

I ran Spice of Lifes (SOL) Adventure Mix back in th 90’s . It had some massive Blockhead phenos that had some giant colas and kinda bland . The small Sweettooth phenos were the gems , they were simply delicious I wish I still had those packs ..

 

[Stash]

still have my Sweet Tooth 3 f2 seeds, been in the fridg all these years along with about 100 other strains in the last 30 years. All very viable

 

[smile]

Yes, and Barneys have made sourcing West Coast US genetics and bringing them to Europe a big part of their draw...
Folks from across the pond are more likely to know primarily about the SOL Version.. especially as Steve was such a larger than life, well loved character on the scene.

The guy who bought the clone over to UK and gifted it to me says he used to buy ST from dispensaries in the states and it was the same. He thinks it is important to preserve this heirloom for posterity and he doesn't want anything for it except anonymity and a few S1s if i can make them .
I've always wanted to try a really good ST so this is a cool project for me.. especially as the seedlines seemed to lose their way and get a reputation for mold problems etc after a few years.

VG

The California Sweet Tooth has a real nice buzz. Will be keeping an eye open for seeds from your project. Would be fun to have it back inthe garden again.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hi all, plant is at 4 weeks flower today and looking pretty good. Its been cold but seems to have shrugged it off.. nights are warming up now which should help.

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

The California Sweet Tooth has a real nice buzz. Will be keeping an eye open for seeds from your project. Would be fun to have it back inthe garden again.

Hi there that's great to hear ! - i can see it has some really good vigor too - and i'm probably not doing it justice in my little cab... so here are a couple of outdoor pics from a garden in Cali. (not taken by me)

VG