The Search for Trip Weed

[Mustafunk]

They are all dated year 98' which included 12 seeds each pack. I just don't want to find a special Meao male then have to end him. Kinda in a dilemma atm.]

All the Meao Thai F1 crosses were done in 2008 by brother Pebble (who pollinated all the females he had around with the nice thai stallion shared by Charlie Garcia CBG), so the number must have a different meaning. I still have a few of those old F1 seeds that Pebble shared with many other friends and also became ACE's new release:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=93630

 

[Dr.King]

All the Meao Thai F1 crosses were done in 2008 by brother Pebble (who pollinated all the females he had around with the nice thai stallion shared by Charlie Garcia CBG), so the number must have a different meaning. I still have a few of those old F1 seeds that Pebble shared with many other friends and also became ACE's new release:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=93630

Sweet thanks for the info man. Yea I noticed some packs none ace also have numbers on the outside. Could be/mean multiple things . Appreciate you clearing up the date, really helps to put a date on the seeds.

 

[dubi]

Hi Dr King,

All the first F1 Thai crosses were reproduced in 2008 for the first time by Pebble using all ACE mothers i selected in previous years and i gave to him at that time, for him to enjoy them (because he is a good friend and sativa lover that used to live close to me at that time and we spent lot of good times together), and to make seed, all the persons involved agreed the terms for the reproduction.

The thai male was indeed selected from CBG stock by another person that i won't name here in case he doesn't want his name appears.

Honestly, i dont know what '98' in the envelope stands for, please pm with the details of the retailer in case you have any doubt.

 

[Bob Green]

I always thought Zamalito selected the Vietnam Black from a decent sized population? Seems like I always heard the Koh Chang Thai and Killer Malawi cuts came to ACE as clones too? This is the first I have heard of Dubi/ACE making the first initial selections?

Are you saying that you selected the Viet Black, Killer Malawi, and Koh Chang plants from seeds then gifted cuts of your had made selections to pebble, or that you gifted pebble a few cuts that others had selected from seed and you happened to of sourced out clones to share?

Sorry Dubi I'm a bit confused on this one?

 

[Mustafunk]

Lol well said, the Zamal came also as clone and was shared by Gerrit with several people (also to Magus Genetics and Female Seeds). The Angolese was provided by LMN when he was involved with ACE. The Malawi was also a clone from African Seeds shared by another grower. The different OT Hazes were grew and even photographed by CBG (you can find the info in several forums). Koh Chang was clone as well... so let's move on please.

There's no need to tell nice breeding tales and get oversensitive. The truth is out there anyway so stop treating people like dumb please, we all understand that's how the seed biz works. But growers will always have the right to know what they pay for. Don't you remember the time when you used to criticize and insult others because of their attitude and breeding practices like 10 years ago? (Queijo/HHF, Zamalito, BioBaba). Damn, life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what to expect! Time always tells the tale though.

Anyway please have some respect for ThaiBliss' and other tripping sativa lovers', so stay on your own subforum if you want to get attention, attend your customers, tell stories or hype up your sales like you always do (we respect it and don't participate there anyway). No need for any bad vibes here. You are welcome to participate and share your experiences as a grower though.

PS: @Bob Green, the Nam Black came from Heaven's Stairway auctions (Fet) and were gifted to ACE. Some of those seeds were reproduced by Billy Goat as well. The guys from Kiona Tropical Cannabis in Cali run 200 plants and did a proper selection of those some time ago. ET is growing a cut of the VB #164 at the moment and it looks very nice indeed. I also got some original seeds via Collective Vibes as well and did a seedrun for sharing among other heirloom lovers and future selections.

Another great non hermie thai is the koh chang thai clone i've been growing the past 3-4 years. It came from the same friend which travelled to Thailand, but this seeds came from Koh Chang Island ( a island with small but high quality ganja production ) and it was clearly the best thai he tried. He came with a few seeds and passed me a clone of this female.

I've been growing her the past years and i have never seen any hermie trait (male flower or bannana) in her even when growing under very strong stress like very cold temps, changes in photoperiod etc ...

Here are some pics of the Koh Chang Thai clone grown the past season.

 

[THCMAN]

Very interesting thread indeed but everyone is talking about smoking...
What is about eating?
My strongest most LSDish experiences I´ve had with ganja was eating selfmade cookies from a friends strain.
I read, that soyalecitin is a booster ( beside butter for chemical/physiological reasons) and
It endet up with the best tripp for me ( beside the original stuff I´ve had from Sandoz in Swizerland;-) and a visit in hospital for my friend ( " I lost my legs..I can not move anymore, I`m paraplegic)
To be honest...if you are "full time smoker" ( first in bed - last in bed) I just can`t imagine, you can get as high as you do with eating that stuff.
But reading all your comments I get an idea, what I might have missed in the past!
I´m really excited to throw the upcoming beans ( from ACE) in the dirt just to see, if I can meet lucy in the sky just by smoking.
Time will tell.....

 

[dubi]

Hi,

I never received a seed or clone from zamalito, neither I used his genetics for any of our breeding. I selected our Vietnam Black mother from seed in 2002 by my self, outdoors. Along with other vietnameses that we were growing that season like Nah Trang and Dalat. I selected our Angolese mother in 2004 straight from Mano negra seeds when we were working together, it didn't came as a clone, you were not there Mustafunk. The Angolese is still alive in our mother room after more than 10 years. Kaiki from CBG germinated all the original Oldtimer's Haze seeds and passed the clones to the ACE collective when we were working together, i had to grow all of them (dozens) again outdoors in a good climate to be able to select the best parental plants (just based on my personal breeding opinions).

Malawi Killer came as a clone 20 years ago along with the last few seeds from the line, i already documented its origins and recognized the source in this thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=7026390

A 'clone only' doesn't produce a strain, line or a population. It took me many years to produce a good Malawi line in seed form, healthy, vigorous, high yielding with the resin and potency that the original clone had ... after many generations of work now you can grow a few of our Malawi seeds and get much better plants than the original clone.

Koh Chang clone came from a spanish grower in 2002, it was shared between the community but noone appreciated its quality, it was a 20 week flowering sativa and only when we tested it properly outdoors, her value was recognizable.

Gerrit shared his Zamal mother with me to do whatever i want with her, the same i shared genetics with him. Do you also think a Zamal clone makes a strain ? Zamaldelica is miles away in quality to any pure Zamal we have grown.

I already replied about the origins of all the parental plants you ask in our room and other places.

I usually refrain myself from posting outside ACE Seeds forum, unless it is completely necessary. I don't want to interfere in other people's forums or threads about ACE strains.

I have always been very honest and clear about the origins, details of the breeding steps and about the concrete parental plants used in current and past releases of all of our strains.

Some people seems to talk about our breeding like if they did themselves or like if they were there, just to create polemics and confusion. This is a great thread and for respect to ThaiBliss, to myself and to the other growers i'm not going to continue with this ... i'm very busy and i prefer to use my time to help growers in our room, to focus on work, and to be with my beloved ones.

If you have any doubt, please address it to our room or feel free to pm me or email me.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Some of you HAS to establish a landrace based dispensary where it's legal, that's the only way the masses will ever learn.

I'm in! Looking for partners. Who has been in the retail business? P.M. me.

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing some Laotian action here, in fact there's a good chance I'll be joining in with some Golden Lao, Manipur and Original Haze at some point. At the moment my favorite plants here a the GN Thai and Thaibliss' Cambodian so keep us posted!

Did someone say... CAMBODIAN! ... or was that an echo, or a voice in my head?

I can't wait to smoke her this time around too. Got to be good after 5 and a half months flowering..Right? I hope.

I have the forever throwing pistils dilemma at the moment with the Jamaican Ganja and Punto Rojo. Luckily, I have posts from better growers with experience in these strains. They have set the parameters of these strains as 17 to 24 weeks. I'm at about 19 weeks I think. The Punto Rojo is just not there yet. The Jamaican is stinking like heck, in a good way, and looks close. I think I'll start doing what you propose, harvesting some at a time. I want to make sure they go at least 24 weeks.

I have another dilemma, which is the spider mites. I have to get to a point with no flowering going on before I can start up again.

Dave - I hope you will not run out of plant to harvest at 7 months. My Gypsy Thai cross had other strains mixed in, and while it never regained the pungency that it had at 7 months, I have no idea what would have happened if I continued past 9 months. There is some regret there. I hope you have a corner of your room to try and take a few small branches as long as it takes till all pistils die.

Im real excited to cob-cure it and see how that turns out. Ill be glad to post some smoke reports later on for you and every other Thai enthusiast.

Nice. I'm going to research the cobb advice from the expert, Tangwena.

Thule, I would love to own a Sativa Smoke Shop much like an Upscale Cigar Shop, where people can browse the finest selection of pure Sativas and Sativa Hybrids. And more importantly smoke those selections... Id almost want a members only club where you pay a fee and get to enjoy all kinds of different amazing Sativas during your membership. And everything grown with loving care by me of course. All production would be in house and wouldn't rely on outside growers to supply the product.

Intriguing ideas.

Please do share your lovely Sativas with us here when you get them going. Ill continue to post some more nice GN Thai Stick updates from time to time to keep you content.

Here... here...

Speaking of lovely Sativas..I wouldn't mind seeing some more of that Panama Red you have TB.

I put it in the back of the cabinet to make it difficult to harvest. It also made it difficult to take pictures of. It has only about 40 pistils on the whole plant! I will harvest soon, even if all the pistils don't die. I'll take pictures of the pile of buds next. Perhaps next week.


ValleyKush - You have some interesting crosses going on. Nice work. Thanks for posting here about them.

...started same time one was rootbound as fuk n was 6ft at flip... didnt stretch much at all n has tops as far as i can see... the other same mom got a transplant n flip.... at 5 wk big girl startin flowerin wk 2... while the non rootbound one is just startin....and the same height. ...just grew into a 9ft plant while the big girl just flowered instantly like n indica..... realized sumthin there. ... with the proper veg , months n months it may be possible to shave a solid month of stretch flower time. ...
MAY HAVE FOUND A NEW WAY TO CHEAT

Stoney - I think I'll follow your advice using the CAMBODIAN. I have seen Dubi from ACE seeds post about this technique a number of times.

I just replanted the CAMBODIAN in a bigger, but still small pot. I'll let if fill it out while trying to make it bushy by pinching it back, throw it in the flowering cabinet for a month or two, then replant.

After seeing Daves TS and ThaiBliss's of course makes me wanna run a few Double Thais. What do you guys think?

Heck YES! Please do. Those seeds are getting old. You need to. 1998 or 2008, either way, those seeds are no spring chickens.


Man, lots of good posts lately. I appreciate all posts from everyone. I seem to have opinions on them all. LOL.

One more thing... CAMBODIAN!

ThaiBliss

ThaiBliss

 

[Dr.King]

Some people in this thread really need to take a step back and look at what they are posting. It kinda blows my mind one of the only true breeders in the game today are being questioned. I think we should show some respect and let it be. Peaceful setting or a mod might step in.

I will drop one or two just for you ThaiBliss cus you are always so peaceful and cheerful just don't have the room atm to run them wish I did lol.

 

[Lacocina]

Did double thai last year.. flowered outside for 20 weeks until a cold front put an end to it in December .. Yeild was good but I think it needed at least another 2 weeks for calyxes to finish swelling.

 

[Dr.King]

Did double thai last year.. flowered outside for 20 weeks until a cold front put an end to it in December .. Yeild was good but I think it needed at least another 2 weeks for calyxes to finish swelling.

I wouldn't doubt some of the heavy thai leaning ones could probably go 200 days/28 weeks like Green Haze or Original Haze says up to 32 weeks. Crazy how long some genetics can go and how much of a difference in high they are. My brother doesn't really like Sativas at all, more for me .

 

[stoney917]

stoneys panama

stoneys panama

My panama red

And swear this 2nd panama plant same mom put in flower same time is lookin 4 weeks behind the giant rootbound girl got same light pot food etc etc. N she is the same hieght as the big girl she spent her first 25 days just stretching while big girl just went right in bud production....

Thai .... R u in organic soil???? I would not want a plant rootbound in dirt... To much stress... Only reason i think im gettin away with that shit i cuz im in 5 gal coco n keep that shit always wet..

 

[waveguide]

I'm in! Looking for partners. Who has been in the retail business? P.M. me.

that's all wrong businesses are consigned to an abysmal history, terrible time it was.

instead of a business, i suggest running a pleasure. then, you can do what you want/what is sensible instead of having to prioritise money all the time. encourage others to engage in pleasures instead of businesses and perhaps we can one day be nice to each other instead of having to skin your mates to survive. i can't keep up with this imperialist shit!

it just seems more reasonable tbh.

look at the guy from dna and how much he has to smoke just to stop the nightmares. you know, seed prices are what you have to pay in hell for food.

 

[Siever]

look at the guy from dna and how much he has to smoke just to stop the nightmares. you know, seed prices are what you have to pay in hell for food.

What happened to him?
Never heard about it.

 

[LowFalutin]

that's all wrong businesses are consigned to an abysmal history, terrible time it was.

instead of a business, i suggest running a pleasure. then, you can do what you want/what is sensible instead of having to prioritise money all the time. encourage others to engage in pleasures instead of businesses and perhaps we can one day be nice to each other instead of having to skin your mates to survive. i can't keep up with this imperialist shit!

it just seems more reasonable tbh.

look at the guy from dna and how much he has to smoke just to stop the nightmares. you know, seed prices are what you have to pay in hell for food.

a huge problem is that you can't right off the usual business expenses. gotta be extra business savvy to make it work...

IRS THIS MESS: This comparison shows how a marijuana bakery can’t claim federal deductions a typical bakery can claim.
Items in green cannot be deducted. (WW Staff Image)

rest of article...
http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/07/mar...ng-in-money-and-the-irs-will-take-most-of-it/

 

[ThaiBliss]

My panama red

Wow Stoney, that Panama is a thing of beauty! Can you share where you got the genetics?

Thai .... R u in organic soil???? I would not want a plant rootbound in dirt... To much stress... Only reason i think im gettin away with that shit i cuz im in 5 gal coco n keep that shit always wet..

I start in a pearlite/vermiculite mix, light enough to water daily. When root-bound and ready for flowering, they go into dime or penny sized hydroton. I have a timer that can water 12 times daily or more. My plan is to use a larger sized container with pearlite/vermiculite and start flowering for a while until the transplant. I've already accomplished the root-bound part in the past:

I just need to adjust the timing of the root binding. I am using a different shaped pot so it can stand on it's own.

As far as a partnership, a blend of personalities might be best. I'm the lover of the exotic/unusual plants, but running a retail shop is a huge task and should be taken up by someone who loves business and interacting with people.

I know an accountant who has advised me of these tax pitfalls. There are bills introduced into congress that will address the inequity of those tax laws. It is hard to predict when or if. The good news is that I read many newspaper articles about the lack of trouble that legalization has caused. Momentum is still good for continued expansion of legalization and the redress of discriminatory laws.

ThaiBliss

 

[bombadil.360]

The good news is that I read many newspaper articles about the lack of trouble that legalization has caused. Momentum is still good for continued expansion of legalization and the redress of discriminatory laws.

ThaiBliss

Hello ThaiBliss!

always a pleasure to check out this thread; loving that huge plant in that tiny container!

wanted to make a comment about the above quoted part of your posts:

it is funny that the doom-sayers anti-legalization would think all hell would break loose if legalized; what they don't consider is that after legalization, things will be business as usual, because the people that used to smoke while it was illegal and were not causing problems at all, will keep on smoking after legalized and will keep causing no troubles at all; what changes is that they won't go to jail because of a mishap with leo...

the world is full of idiots basically hehehe...

peace!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hello ThaiBliss!

always a pleasure to check out this thread; loving that huge plant in that tiny container!

wanted to make a comment about the above quoted part of your posts:

it is funny that the doom-sayers anti-legalization would think all hell would break loose if legalized; what they don't consider is that after legalization, things will be business as usual, because the people that used to smoke while it was illegal and were not causing problems at all, will keep on smoking after legalized and will keep causing no troubles at all; what changes is that they won't go to jail because of a mishap with leo...

the world is full of idiots basically hehehe...

peace!

Hi Bombadil,

Thanks for continuing to check out the thread and posting contributions.

Very true statement you posted. Cannabis prohibition in the U.S. was always a xenophobia reaction to the Mexican culture hyped up and focused on Cannabis, which was really only a minor part of the Mexican culture. The main reason Cannabis became popular was due to alcohol prohibition. Then it got swept up in a wave of prohibitions and restrictions on opiates, cocaine, and alcohol. I believe it was at the time of the Great Depression when xenophobia was heightened due to hard economic times. You can see the same thing happening today in response to the Great Recession. When the shit hits the fan, people look around and start blaming people who look and act differently than themselves.

Add in the desire of a rich and powerful chemical company to sell more sulfuric acid by making paper from trees instead of Cannabis, and things really get done.

It is amazing how easily people can be manipulated. The post 9-11 overreactions of the public and manipulations by the politicians in power scared the crap out of me. It was living history moment where lots of people suffered without justification. It was quite a lesson about how easily things can go sideways in a heartbeat.

And look how long it has taken for public policy to redress a wrong with regards to Cannabis, even in this "age of science", ha!

ThaiBliss

 

[CosmicCharlie]

Tripping on weed can be a profound experience.

Like mort of you all Ive found that sativas are more trippy, also oils like BHO and QWISO can be very trippy.

For me it's more like a mushroom trip.

One time my friend took a 1/2 oz of mids and made it into tea with water and some milk (kinda like bhang) and we split this with 4 people. Everyone was tripping for around 6 hours and it was really similar to a mushroom trip as far as visuals and minds pace.

I think there may be more likelyhood of tripping on weed when large amounts are consumed orally or strong concentrates are smoked or vaped.

 

[mukuku]

nine drops of superskunk oil into two cigarettes and I found myself in a cosmic dimension where I was three spheres in triangle position and never be something else and asking myself "how could I believe I was an humain in earth since or for 35 years ?! how that can be possible ?"

AMAZING TRIP !!!