The Search for Trip Weed

[Donald Mallard]

The reason why a breeding quality one is so hard to find, is because it was always rare, and now that almost everyone in the world, literally, has been crossing it and everything else to Afghani hash plant style weed that ruins the genetics, it made it 100 times more rare. Those that do have it, tend to hoard. Anyone who has smoked Thai Stick back in the 70s, please tell me this is all not true. Donald?

I'm not arguing that indoors is better, or that I'm better than mother nature, either of which would be a ridicules notion, and is a false premise in the context of what I have already posted. All I'm saying is I have experienced supreme quality from many indoor grows, with around 7 different strains over a period of 40 years of growing experience.

I guess I need to re-summarize this thread repeatedly for readers that trip on by and only read a few posts.

The real problem is... I'm just so friggin' picky. The up side is, in the end, I will have something very special.

Keep on Tripping,

ThaiBliss

hey tb ,
Im glad your so picky ,
and im 100% sure what you have found that u call tripping weed would satisfy me also ,
i may prefer it grown outdoor though ,
just my preference ...

One thing i will mention is the experience ive had growing haze hybrids outdoor here ,
mango haze and nevils haze particularly ,
i hear from others growing indoor that those varieties have lots of "hay" in them , and u need to grow quite a few to find something decent ,
not true outdoor in the tropics , they were all good , some were even better ...

I think its harder to find ones that will tolerate indoors and express their full potential , but as you ve shown and others , it can be done..

I am a little suspicious some of the sativa we grow has been touched by indica at some point in its life , as with the zamal , the indica can be swallowed up by the sativa in just a few generations grown in climates that favour the sativa growth pattern , we end up with a plant that looks like pure sativa ,, but theres a few traits left over from the indica that was infused with it some generations earlier ... we wont really know for sure until sam finishes his dna research, im keen to see what that reveals ...

Hey riddleme ,, are u growing nld , or hybrids in that room ?? looks like hybrids mostly ?/ what do u disagree with ??

 

[HerBnGorE(illa)]

ThaiBliss....funny you talk about the auditory awareness with ur zamaldelica. That is exactly the same observation I found with my zamal-hashplant from ace. Entrancing sounds. If I keep smoking it on my porch ill probably end up understanding the crickets language!

 

[wingdings]

Malawi x Nevs Haze/Trainwreck

Aroma reminds me of catpiss haze and butterscotch, high is racy & trippy.

 

[Elmer Bud]

As a grower that maintains a tropical like environment indoors with full spectrum lighting that runs 10:20/13:40 in flower I simply must disagree

G`day Riddle Me

How does that lighting schedule and environment enhance growing the Indica crosses you have ?

Hash Plant , Leb Land Race , NL ?
Seems like a recipe for lower yields and mold .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Riddleme]

hey tb ,

Hey riddleme ,, are u growing nld , or hybrids in that room ?? looks like hybrids mostly ?/ what do u disagree with ??

Yeppers mostly Sat Dom Hybrids but have also grown several Land Races

I disagree with statement that we can't have a tropical environment indoors and with the talk about light timings lower than 11 hours

 

[Riddleme]

G`day Riddle Me

How does that lighting schedule and environment enhance growing the Indica crosses you have ?

Hash Plant , Leb Land Race , NL ?
Seems like a recipe for lower yields and mold .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Have never had mold, never worry bout yields but do average 20 oz's each grow outta my little garden


The Indica leaning plants actually take on a Sat ness like quality, some even throw narrow leaves. Nothing has ever come outta my garden that couch locks

 

[weedtoker]

I too get that phenotype difference of the same cuts from previous runs at 12/12 instead of the 11/13 for the last year. even the highs, in general got a bit different (for the better mostly)... I think we will get closer and closer as we discover what really makes this plant thrive for what we want from her (in this case psychoactivity) but sun without GH, will always be sun...

 

[ThaiBliss]

hey tb ,
Im glad your so picky ,
and im 100% sure what you have found that u call tripping weed would satisfy me also ,
i may prefer it grown outdoor though ,
just my preference ...

Of this, I have no doubt that I would prefer the same. I'm jealous.

One thing i will mention is the experience ive had growing haze hybrids outdoor here ,
mango haze and nevils haze particularly ,
i hear from others growing indoor that those varieties have lots of "hay" in them , and u need to grow quite a few to find something decent ,
not true outdoor in the tropics , they were all good , some were even better ...

I think its harder to find ones that will tolerate indoors and express their full potential , but as you ve shown and others , it can be done..

Interesting observation. It is always more complicated than what we initially think. If it were easy, we would probably get bored.

B.T.W., I appreciate the benefit of the doubt. It shows class, and is only logical to do so when you have not actually even tried my weed. I'm working on class. I'm have to work on improving it, even in my old age, since I recognize it in others more than myself. LOL!


All: Please forgive me if my passion overrides my sense of courtesy to others on occasion.

I'd still love to share my smoke with you and others. It's part of the fun of it. You are welcome here if you ever come to the west coast of the U.S..

It's crazy cool now that recreational use is quasi-legal. Sales started just last Thursday. The local medical dispensary parking lots were full... pictures in the paper of people buying bud... people grinning from ear to ear, and celebrations. It is harvest time, and you smell it driving down the road... You can find gardens full of it just driving down the road a few miles in any direction. Just about makes a tear come to my eye. It is pretty close to paradise here, even if it is only a Mediterranean type climate.


California will be next.

I am a little suspicious some of the sativa we grow has been touched by indica at some point in its life , as with the zamal , the indica can be swallowed up by the sativa in just a few generations grown in climates that favour the sativa growth pattern , we end up with a plant that looks like pure sativa ,, but theres a few traits left over from the indica that was infused with it some generations earlier ... we wont really know for sure until sam finishes his dna research, im keen to see what that reveals ...

That will be fascinating. Sam's going to have one of the most read research publication. Everyone will want to get there eyes on it.

 

[ThaiBliss]

TRIP WEED!

TRIP WEED!

Malawi x Nevs Haze/Trainwreck

Aroma reminds me of catpiss haze and butterscotch, high is racy & trippy.

Looks great!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Have never had mold, never worry bout yields but do average 20 oz's each grow outta my little garden

The Indica leaning plants actually take on a Sat ness like quality, some even throw narrow leaves. Nothing has ever come outta my garden that couch locks

I have to say, one of the first things I learned growing indoors is that you can never have too much ventilation. Every room/cabinet I have built got more and more powerful fans. My next one will have more also. Circulation fans are important also.

I never got mold either, because I was lucky enough to design a minimum amount of ventilation the first time, but I have always had trouble controlling heat. I would like to have perfect temperature control. I am nearly there during the winter time, and have noticed my best grows seem to occur in the winter when temperatures are at around 70 and 60 at night. Pest control is easier also at those temps. My outdoor plants look healthiest when the weather is 70 to 80.

 

[ThaiBliss]

If I keep smoking it on my porch ill probably end up understanding the crickets language!

LMAO!

One of my most valued traits of what I consider to be trip weed, is the feeling of appreciation and connectedness of all life, and the desire get off the couch and go outside. If I don't feel this, and if I don't have my senses heightened, it's not trip weed, by my definition.

 

[Donn]

It's crazy cool now that recreational use is quasi-legal. Sales started just last Thursday. The local medical dispensary parking lots were full... pictures in the paper of people buying bud... people grinning from ear to ear, and celebrations. It is harvest time, and you smell it driving down the road... You can find gardens full of it just driving down the road a few miles in any direction. Just about makes a tear come to my eye. It is pretty close to paradise here, even if it is only a Mediterranean type climate.

Congratulations on this! It seems like another piece is falling in place. (Or another brick was knocked out of the wall.) Made me think about the long term picture, where we're going with all this ... do you know any young people doing the kind of thing you're doing? I don't mean teenagers, 30 qualifies as "young" for me, but I have the consistent impression that we who are interested in this stuff all remember the '70s too well to qualify as young.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I've been trying to contain my excitement about a new acquisition, hold out until I smoke a sample with some friends on Halloween, but my enthusiasm has gotten the better of me, again...

A kind soul who shared a cut of Khmer Gold, has done me a great favor. Now that the cut is bigger and healthier, I have been rubbing the stem and smelling my fingers. I am detecting the same terpene profile that I remember from the Thai Sticks I was smoking back in the 1970s. It is also the same terpene profile as that very special Neville's Haze individual I was so fortunate to have experienced just over a decade ago. It is a bitter/peppery citric rind aroma. It also has a slight lemon/lime fruitiness in the background, but that bitter/peppery rind aroma is foremost. I have only smelled this, to me a Thai Stick terpene profile, in a couple of plants in my lifetime other than the time I grew Thai Stick to maturity back in the early 80s. I believe this is THE SHIT, and I just have to learn how to grow it.

I have seen the mother plant grown outdoors, and it is a wonder. The guy that gave this to me is a good grower as well as generous. You know who you are. Thank You! It looks like the Thai I have grown very long ago, but the leaves were longer and the internode lengths were shorter. It did not have that bamboo look to it that I associate with Thai. Well, it is Cambodian after all... and I also believe it was coming out of a re-veg. Now that I am growing indoors, it is stretching out more and has a bit of the bamboo type stem structure. I mention this because of our previous discussion of how plants express radically different phenotypical expressions under different conditions.

You all can see other pictures of Khmer Gold and other great looking and promising strains by a cat named SnowHigh. Do a search for SnowHigh and Khmer Gold, or Senegal Haze, or Big Sur Holyweed, Neville's Haze, etc.. I think he is a trip weed searcher. He has a thread with lots of excellent looking plants grown a hundred miles or three south of me in California. He looks like an excellent grower, and I believe he sells seeds. He posts on ICMAG also under the handle "Mota del Dios" or something like that.

At the moment, under the cool conditions that I am using to control the spider mites and keep the Punto Rojo, Jamaican Ganja, and Panama Haze alive until harvest, the Khmer Gold is looking more like Cambodian Red, oh darn! LOL.

Notice the leaf petioles:

If you look at this plant sideways, it almost disappears:

A close-up of a new leaf:

The aroma of this plant is killing me. I'm jumping for joy. Every morning I wake up and exclaim CAMBODIAN!!!! I repeat this throughout they day a number of times.

Satva's posts and descriptions of Highland Guerrero x Blueberry had me wanting to grow Guerrero-berry as my next grow for some time. I also wanted to grow Maui and Big Sur Holy Weed. I desperately need another grow cabinet. I have the money, and I'm determined to make more room this winter when I have more time.

Until then, I'm afraid those other stains are going to have to wait. The aroma of this CAAAMBOOOODIAAAAAAAN, whoops sorry, is calling me and I can't resist. I'm going to grow this all by itself, except perhaps for those Jamaican ganja males. Maybe I'll even try to crack those few Neville's Haze super freaky pheno seeds that I have been sitting on for 11 years waiting for this moment in time. I'll decide that on Halloween I guess.

CAMBODIAN!!!!!


ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Congratulations on this! It seems like another piece is falling in place. (Or another brick was knocked out of the wall.) Made me think about the long term picture, where we're going with all this ... do you know any young people doing the kind of thing you're doing? I don't mean teenagers, 30 qualifies as "young" for me, but I have the consistent impression that we who are interested in this stuff all remember the '70s too well to qualify as young.

Hi Donn,

It is all too rare for young people to know about this stuff. Even dispensaries that are run by older people who should know better, are in it for the money so much that they will not even consider selling it because it does not have the looks that sell. I believe that some will buy it and sell it dirt cheap, which may be the only way to break through. Frankly, smokers of this weed need guidance. You can smoke too much, and have a bad experience with strong energetic trippy weed. Titration is key, in my opinion.

On the other hand, see my previous post. The gentleman who shared the Cambodian cut with me was what I consider young. I gave him shit about it by saying "you young people are not supposed to know about this stuff". He had the good humor to smile and tell me that he learned how to grow from an old fart. Actually, he phrased it more respectfully than that. LOL.

So... there is hope that these will be cherished by the masses again someday.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Weed Mania

Weed Mania

I've taken off work, and sleeping outside to protect my nearly ripe crop. Weed mania rules.

Fruity Pebbles is in a race with Bangi Haze to be ripe first. I know it has Kush in it, but the guy who sold it to me recommended it for early outdoors with a clear cerebral high. It has Tahoe OG in it, which other posters have declared it trippy. I think it is related, by way of Kush to the L.A. Confidential who other posters have described it "all Indica", but also described it's high as "clear headed".

What I do know is the L.A. Con smells peppery and hashy, while the Fruity Pebbles is fruity, but also has a powerful old school weed smell. I don't know how to describe it, except it smell like marijuana. It is very pungent.

Enough of the apologies. I need to find early ripening strains with cerebral, energetic, trippy or near trippy qualities to replace the few that I once had. Again my plea... does anyone know where I can find Seeing God or Pine Cone?!

Here is Fruity Pebbles:

I have a hell of a time getting pictures with the resin glistening. When I am at the angle that I can see it with my eyes, I hold the camera up, and it shades the bud. LOL. This is about the best I can do:

ThaiBliss

 

[waveguide]

hi thai, starting to think about buying thai seeds sometime. i do sats (f'ing crickets..) but haven't done thai. i don't buy often, money and all, an affront to the soul... seedsman mama thai? alt recs?

thinking about the thai at marijjjna-seeds.nl bcs i need to grab something else there, but never got a solid on "whose thai" it is that they sell.. prolly mama also.

 

[ThaiBliss]

At one point, I was thinking of compromising and growing some strong couch-lock WLD strains that so many love, in order to sell to the dispensaries and recreational weed outlets. This Black Afghani Domina is supposed to be very strong knock out weed. I have since changed my mind about putting any energy into this type of weed, but I still let the plants I started grow. Almost everything is hybrids now-a-days, so you never know what will pop out of a population. I'm keeping a cutting of this Black Afghani Domina until after I test it. It smells like Ortega chili peppers. I like these pictures because it shows off how I like to cut back nitrogen and see that light green color that some plants have. Other plants, like the L.A. Confidential do not respond that way. It is still dark green with purple highlights.

Here is the Black Afghani Domina:

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

hi thai, starting to think about buying thai seeds sometime. i do sats (f'ing crickets..) but haven't done thai. i don't buy often, money and all, an affront to the soul... seedsman mama thai? alt recs?

thinking about the thai at marijjjna-seeds.nl bcs i need to grab something else there, but never got a solid on "whose thai" it is that they sell.. prolly mama also.

I hear ACE seeds is working on a triple Thai. Meao Thai, Koh Chang, and something else. I missed the Double Thai, but I am keeping an eye out on that one.

I have heard that there are exceptional ones to be found in Gypsy Thai Stick. I believe Kangtiva grew one out of 40 that he said was the best he ever smoked. Keep an eye on Dave Coulier's posts. It looks righteous to me.

Thais and S.E. Asian strains are the hardest strains I know of to grow. If you are lucky and/or skillful enough to do a Thai plant right, and you are lucky enough to have that plant grow from a seed that has the effects and potency that I have had in the past, then you will get to smoke by far the best weed you ever smoked. There are many great strains, but Thai is supreme in my opinion.

I hope this encourages you to try. If you are lucky, you will also be cursed forever with the trip weed search disease.

ThaiBliss

P.S. I just read that the third Thai in what Dubi from ACE seeds is working on is a Thai from Chiang Mai:

"a new thai from Chiang Mai"

 

[ThaiBliss]

What the F... Heck!! I accidentally took a good picture. I don't know what happened. The flash went off by itself, while I was looking into the sun. I like some of those into the sun shots that Bushy does. Bushy, if you are out there, please post again soon. I miss your work. Anyway, I'll have to try to do that in the future, on purpose.

My accidentally decent shot is of my seed line of many many years. It has that Seeing God in it that I lost and miss so much, along with many other good strains like a particularly fine selection of Skunk#1, but more recently Burmese and Trainwreck. I think the Burmese is coming through in the couple of most NLD looking seedlings that I chose to grow. It is ironic because the Burmese had WLD shaped leaves. None of these plants had the super sized fat buds, but they are pretty chunky. The Burmese trait that I recognize is the funky body odor sex spunk smell mixed in with overripe fruit. I really know how to sell it don't I?

Here is the picture I like:

Here are some other pictures of these two plants:

Burmese was beautifully euphoric in low doses, 1 to 3 tokes, but got rather trippy at 5 or 6 tokes. Not really potent, but it definitely had top end, no ceiling. I really let a lot of great strains slip through my fingers. Shame on me. On the other hand, these may get ripe this year, but I need to find something earlier.

O.K., enough. I should really get something done today.

Good Luck with Your Search,

ThaiBliss

 

[Ph-patrol]

Yes TB the photos look amazing.Real stunning plant