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Hi Siever,
Thanks. I got the same recommendation for spider mites also. I originally put bone meal in the garden beds, but I did not add extra this year. My garden was better last year from the fresh application. I thought that it breaks down slowly and would last longer. Next spring I will add much more soil amendments of all kinds. These big fast growing plants really feed heavily.
What do you recommend for adding calcium?
Thanks,
ThaiBliss
TB,
if you want to give Ca, give fossilized kokolites(IDK if this is a correct translation). Bonemeal contains some N and mostly P, which is also good, but has a different purpose.
B.T.W. it's possible that the bonemeal you have does contain some Ca. The bonemeal which is sold here is the rest product of some industry (don't know which one).
Happy growing!!
Siever
if you want to give Ca, give fossilized kokolites(IDK if this is a correct translation). Bonemeal contains some N and mostly P, which is also good, but has a different purpose.
B.T.W. it's possible that the bonemeal you have does contain some Ca. The bonemeal which is sold here is the rest product of some industry (don't know which one).
Happy growing!!
Siever
I cannot forget about the Jamaican ganja (60s Lambsbread). This is looking almost identical to my Gypsy Thai x Mullumbimby Madness x Neville's Haze flowering. I was just looking for some pictures to upload, and I swear I thought I had opened the wrong directory. Just so everyone knows, I have been using double the fertilizer that I used in the GT x MM x NHz flowering, and it still looks the same. There are a couple of differences:
1.) I believe this is flowering at an slightly accelerated rate compared to GT x MM x NHz.
2.) The aromas are wildly different.
I dearly hope I don't have to go 9 months before I give up. I'm not sure I have more than 7 months of patience. It does not seem natural for these plants to go for so long, no matter where on the planet they are from.
The aromas of these buds are dominating the cabinet. I can't smell the other plants unless I stick my nose in the buds. The Jamaican is easy to smell. It is spicy/peppery with a medicinal aroma. I'm also detecting a touch of menthol. The overall aromas are very pleasant from afar, but it is a touch repellent up close.
The good news is that I have not seen a hermie male flower on these buds yet. Perhaps I paid my dues putting in so much time while looking through so many plants till I found this female. My two non-hermie males have survived the spider mite onslaught so far.
Here it is:
I don't know what to do to get these to ripen. I guess just wait. I have been using 11 hours of light, and 13 hours of darkness. I have been fertilizing very consistently the entire time. If it goes 7 months, and still looks like it will keep pushing fresh pistils, I cut down half, and leave the other half in there till it dies, or I die, whichever comes first. LOL.
ThaiBliss
1.) I believe this is flowering at an slightly accelerated rate compared to GT x MM x NHz.
2.) The aromas are wildly different.
I dearly hope I don't have to go 9 months before I give up. I'm not sure I have more than 7 months of patience. It does not seem natural for these plants to go for so long, no matter where on the planet they are from.
The aromas of these buds are dominating the cabinet. I can't smell the other plants unless I stick my nose in the buds. The Jamaican is easy to smell. It is spicy/peppery with a medicinal aroma. I'm also detecting a touch of menthol. The overall aromas are very pleasant from afar, but it is a touch repellent up close.
The good news is that I have not seen a hermie male flower on these buds yet. Perhaps I paid my dues putting in so much time while looking through so many plants till I found this female. My two non-hermie males have survived the spider mite onslaught so far.
Here it is:
I don't know what to do to get these to ripen. I guess just wait. I have been using 11 hours of light, and 13 hours of darkness. I have been fertilizing very consistently the entire time. If it goes 7 months, and still looks like it will keep pushing fresh pistils, I cut down half, and leave the other half in there till it dies, or I die, whichever comes first. LOL.
ThaiBliss
Beautiful looking crosses Bliss. I know with heavy haze or thais in my strain I drop the lights to 10/14 after 4 months in my Sativa tent. The last 2 months they really start to ripen nicely. Just my opinion however. Keep up the insane work man, goodluck.
I loved the update TB. Id love to have just one night with your ladies...
Your Jamaican buds are very similar to my GN Thai Stick A. So identical. Doing the same exact thing. The lower parts of the foxtails are yellowing, with accessory pigments shining through now, while Ive got green new calyxes forming on the end. With no end in sight it seems. The foxtails just keep stacking, while older calyxes are yellowing allowing the Anthocyanin pigments to show through.
Ive not fed the plant anything in almost 2 months other than what the CRF can supply, which isn't enough, so Im not surprised to see the N deficiency progress to the buds at this point. I still can't get the plant to want to finish and shes at 156 days at this point of 11/13.
Maybe I should try 10/14 like Dr. King suggests, but I really dont know exactly how long Thai should take. I wish Kanga were here to provide some wisdom. He's the King of Sativas, and I hope he gets out someday soon.
These Thai are dedicated to Kanga. A few pics my Thai Stick A @ 156 Days 11/13.
Your Jamaican buds are very similar to my GN Thai Stick A. So identical. Doing the same exact thing. The lower parts of the foxtails are yellowing, with accessory pigments shining through now, while Ive got green new calyxes forming on the end. With no end in sight it seems. The foxtails just keep stacking, while older calyxes are yellowing allowing the Anthocyanin pigments to show through.
Ive not fed the plant anything in almost 2 months other than what the CRF can supply, which isn't enough, so Im not surprised to see the N deficiency progress to the buds at this point. I still can't get the plant to want to finish and shes at 156 days at this point of 11/13.
Maybe I should try 10/14 like Dr. King suggests, but I really dont know exactly how long Thai should take. I wish Kanga were here to provide some wisdom. He's the King of Sativas, and I hope he gets out someday soon.
These Thai are dedicated to Kanga. A few pics my Thai Stick A @ 156 Days 11/13.
Thanks for posting this Dave. I'm glad to hear it is not just me.
My Gypsy Thai Stick x MM x NHz aromas peaked at around 7 months. Like I said, if I could go back in time, I would have harvested at that time. However, for sativas in general, I am learning over and over again to wait until all pistils are dead. My Panama Haze is doing something similar, but on a much earlier scale. It looks really close to having all pistils dead, and suddenly colors are popping out like crazy. I happened to be looking at them the other day. The metal halide light was on, and then the HPS started up. They are on different timers. With the lighting at that moment, the Panama Haze was glowing pink. All I could do was to exclaim Panama Red! Back in the day, I almost never saw green buds.
All my most potent and high quality results of nearly pure or pure sativas have been when I waited until all pistils are dead.
I think it is clear from the pictures that you are fertilizing more than I am, and the change of color starting from the bottom of the fox-tails is still occurring for you.
Maybe I should try 10/14 like Dr. King suggests, but I really dont know exactly how long Thai should take. I wish Kanga were here to provide some wisdom. He's the King of Sativas, and I hope he gets out someday soon.
I have grown sativa plants at 11 / 13 hours which turned out excellent. Growing the same cutting and changing the light timings eventually down to 10 / 14 definitely reduced the potency in my experience. I learned this with the Neville's Haze I had that was so spectacular. I'm pretty sure that near the equator, it never gets below 11 hours of daylight. Perhaps Bushweed will chime in. I would not blame you for trying anything. I quit at 9 months. I should have harvested half at 7, then let the rest go for a year or more. What the heck, I already had 9 months of time invested. Come to think of it, I should go back and retest now that it has had a 9 month plus cure.
I have been thinking that the problem may be that my lights are too close to the buds. One thing for certain, is that these plants behave differently indoors than outdoors. I also know that I have gotten spectacular results indoors. I have seen pictures of the Jamaican from grows of others where the buds seem relatively tight compared to mine. After I build my next indoor cabinet, it will be bigger and will have room to be able to move the distance of the lights if I want.
Hang in there Dave. I think your plant looks fantastic, and you are doing a great job! Growing these takes incredible patience. Take a sample at about 7 months and smoke it. A long cure may be necessary, but smoking some wouldn't hurt.
I went back and looked at my Jamaican plant again. I think it is ripening much faster than the GN x MM x NHz. I'm only at about 18 weeks now.
Best of Luck,
ThaiBliss
I didn't see any point in flowering my JLB for more than 140 days, in fact if I'm not mistaken I preferred the 120 day samples (with some white hairs) to the more ripe ones. The early samples were I think, more clear and more focused. I would guess that there is at least some CBN action going on if you flower sativas for extended periods. The taste is what surprised me, along with the typical sativa aroma there was a touch of dankness in the background.. something pungent, almost hashy.
Have you ever flowered a pure Panama? You might be in for a blast from the past in the taste department when you smoke the Haze hybrid Hope it packs a punch too.
Have you ever flowered a pure Panama? You might be in for a blast from the past in the taste department when you smoke the Haze hybrid
Hope it packs a punch too.
Hey Thaibliss ,,
id agree no need to use less than 11 hr days for flowering,
thats the shortest day we get where i live ,
Jamaica has much the same ,, 13 to 11 ,
flowers are never great at less than that i found ...
id agree no need to use less than 11 hr days for flowering,
thats the shortest day we get where i live ,
Jamaica has much the same ,, 13 to 11 ,
flowers are never great at less than that i found ...
The Sativas I flowered at 11 hours vs 10 had no potency lose and these where done with a 6 month cure. My 24 week Oldtimer's Haze from Ace seeds was done under 10/14 and is by far the most potent cannabis I have ever smoked. Tired almost all of Ace's Sativas. Doing a Thai leaning Zamal under 10/14 atm and she is looking beautiful. I have multiple clones and will run side by side test with cured buds for more self testing. To date in my opinion it doesn't change the potency it just makes it ripen faster. We can all have are own opinions I guess. I just know for a fact it makes hard ripping Sativas finish faster. Dave, Thai Stick can take up to or over 200 days to ripen with 11/13. Good luck all
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Thanks for posting this Dave. I'm glad to hear it is not just me.
My Gypsy Thai Stick x MM x NHz aromas peaked at around 7 months. Like I said, if I could go back in time, I would have harvested at that time. However, for sativas in general, I am learning over and over again to wait until all pistils are dead. My Panama Haze is doing something similar, but on a much earlier scale. I looks really close to having all pistils dead, and suddenly colors are popping out like crazy. I happened to be looking at them the other day. The metal halide light was on, and then the HPS started up. They are on different timers. With the lighting at that moment, the Panama Haze was glowing pink. All I could do was to exclaim Panama Red! Back in the day, I almost never saw green buds.
Well now, 7 months. I was hoping you would say She's ready chop her now! I could use the extra space for my other Durbans, but I want to finish her properly, so Ill leave her be. Im only about 10 days past previous harvest of her. Lets try to get to that 7 month mark. Not too far off at this point.
Funny how with these Sativa's that we find ourselves going for a longer flowering time the second or third time around, while with faster flowering plants were looking to do the opposite and take them down sooner.
I bet that Panama Red has high levels of Anthocyanin pigments which are responsible for the purple, reds, and blue hues we see in plants. Ill be it really shows once N levels are greatly reduced. I wish I could grow it out to test that for myself. Maybe I should put that on my grow list.
All my most potent and high quality results of nearly pure or pure sativas have been when I waited until all pistils are dead.
Well, Im even more resolute on waiting till all the pistils are done. Although, at 7 months if Im still getting white pistils, Ill probably take her down anyways. I can always try for 8 months the third time around..lol Or just do a secondary harvest with her...yes..yes..
I think it is clear from the pictures that you are fertilizing more than I am, and the change of color starting from the bottom of the fox-tails is still occurring for you.
Yes, you are way ahead of me in terms of the breakdown of chlorophyll. My plants have some ways to go in getting that yellowing going completely on buds. Id like to see more of it occur before harvesting.
The Osmocote is releasing enough nutrients to keep PPM levels below 200. I dont want to completely cut off all N as it is required for metabolic processes, as are other nutrients supplied by Osmocote. Its nearing the end of its life though. Its rated for 5-7 months release. No hand-feeding in nearly 2 months though.
I have grown sativa plants at 11 / 13 hours which turned out excellent. Growing the same cutting and changing the light timings eventually down to 10 / 14 definitely reduced the potency in my experience. I learned this with the Neville's Haze I had that was so spectacular. I'm pretty sure that near the equator, it never gets below 11 hours of daylight. Perhaps Bushweed will chime in. I would not blame you for trying anything. I quit at 9 months. I should have harvested half at 7, then let the rest go for a year or more. What the heck, I already had 9 months of time invested. Come to think of it, I should go back and retest now that it has had a 9 month plus cure.
I have been thinking that the problem may be that my lights are too close to the buds. One thing for certain, is that these plants behave differently indoors than outdoors. I also know that I have gotten spectacular results indoors. I have seen pictures of the Jamaican from grows of others where the buds seem relatively tight compared to mine. After I build my next indoor cabinet, it will be bigger and will have room to be able to move the distance of the lights if I want.
I do agree these plants do not respond well to high light levels in door. Ive seen it many times on these long-flowering Sativas that get too much light. The breakdown of chlorophyll in upper leaves is very rapid compared to faster flowering strains out there. It doesn't help that during peak flowering Thai Stick can consume 750ppm+ from the soil solution in ONE Day.
Ive not had too much negative experience with light levels affecting bud structure, some yes. In most instances, the bud structure is greatly affected by too little nutrition or too much. Too little and the buds can't develop properly. Over do it, and they can take on a pronounced sativa appearance. Ive a Shit clone that did this recently when EC levels raised too quickly for too long.
Id still err on the side of caution and give yourself more distance between plant and lamp. I like to use the look of the fan leaf to help me gauge the right distance. With the right level, the leaves will take on a supple feel and lovely shade of green.
Hang in there Dave. I think your plant looks fantastic, and you are doing a great job! Growing these takes incredible patience. Take a sample at about 7 months and smoke it. A long cure may be necessary, but smoking some wouldn't hurt.
Ive worked in retail, so Im a very patient person.
I went back and looked at my Jamaican plant again. I think it is ripening much faster than the GN x MM x NHz. I'm only at about 18 weeks now.
Best of Luck,
ThaiBliss
Just because this thread can never have too much Thai. Two Thai and a Durban Poison for your viewing pleasures
Some Zamal GN03 Collection (P1), the harvest is coming soon guys... hopefully this winter I'm doing some breeding with this line as well. I'd love to cross it to a nice Haze male for a nice hybrid to look for trippy keepers. Also to another fruity but faster landrace like mexican, south african or something like that to give some density to the flowers. I just need to find a strain with a similar terpene profile and compatible effect.
I'd need to evaluate the high from this samples first though. Definitely looking forward to vape some of those flowers soon!
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I'd need to evaluate the high from this samples first though. Definitely looking forward to vape some of those flowers soon!
The flowers are getting more colours than I expected actually, calyxes and smal leaflets are turning into a beautiful magenta, the strain reminds me a bit to the Jamaican Lamsbread in the terpene profile, also the colors and structure of buds a bit:
I think I'm going to wait one more week or something like that, until the flowers stop stretching in foxtails and producing fresh pistils. Probably the top flowers could have been harvested already but resin doesn't look overmature either.
Looking forward to run this cuts indoors as well.
Vibes.
I think I'm going to wait one more week or something like that, until the flowers stop stretching in foxtails and producing fresh pistils. Probably the top flowers could have been harvested already but resin doesn't look overmature either.
Looking forward to run this cuts indoors as well.
Vibes.
Mustafunk - "I just need to find a strain with a similar terpene profile and compatible effect"
I like the way you guys think.
ThaiBliss
Smoke Report
Smoke Report
I partook in buds from the second grow of SAGE x Purple Haze Thai last night. These buds were from the grow where I used much more fertilizer in the early stages of flowering which extended the flowering time and stretched out the buds with significantly more fox-tailing. It went from 9 weeks of flowering time in the first grow to 12 weeks, I believe, in the second grow. The first time I harvested, there were scatterings of white pistils, and the second time all pistils were dead. I also doubled up on the Epsom salt while flushing vigorously the last few weeks to get rid of the inordinately green color.
The results are in. I think this batch tasted better than the first batch. This cross is incredible for it's wonderful aromas, and this time around the flavor of the smoke matched. I think the potency and quality of the high was similar to the first batch. I may have had raised expectations from the reports from my patients, but I was disappointed not to notice a significant improvement from the first batch. Perhaps the flavor affected their judgment. I was also a bit tired when I smoked it last night. These factors could have influenced me, but I think the high from the first batch was a bit better. It is hard to tell as expectations and environmental conditions of the tester can have such an influence of the perception of the high. There was no striking difference of the grows that I could discern.
I think I prefer the pure SAGE, and it may be time to let this cut grow. SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is good enough to make it worthwhile to search through more of these seeds, but I have too many cuts in my collection and I need to reduce the number of plants I am maintaining.
All the Best,
ThaiBliss
Smoke Report
I partook in buds from the second grow of SAGE x Purple Haze Thai last night. These buds were from the grow where I used much more fertilizer in the early stages of flowering which extended the flowering time and stretched out the buds with significantly more fox-tailing. It went from 9 weeks of flowering time in the first grow to 12 weeks, I believe, in the second grow. The first time I harvested, there were scatterings of white pistils, and the second time all pistils were dead. I also doubled up on the Epsom salt while flushing vigorously the last few weeks to get rid of the inordinately green color.
The results are in. I think this batch tasted better than the first batch. This cross is incredible for it's wonderful aromas, and this time around the flavor of the smoke matched. I think the potency and quality of the high was similar to the first batch. I may have had raised expectations from the reports from my patients, but I was disappointed not to notice a significant improvement from the first batch. Perhaps the flavor affected their judgment. I was also a bit tired when I smoked it last night. These factors could have influenced me, but I think the high from the first batch was a bit better. It is hard to tell as expectations and environmental conditions of the tester can have such an influence of the perception of the high. There was no striking difference of the grows that I could discern.
I think I prefer the pure SAGE, and it may be time to let this cut grow. SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is good enough to make it worthwhile to search through more of these seeds, but I have too many cuts in my collection and I need to reduce the number of plants I am maintaining.
All the Best,
ThaiBliss
Great looking plant Mustafunk, but I strongly urge you to go not another week, but another month and re-evaluate. I wouldn't even consider chopping that lady down in a week. How far along is she at this point?
Punto Rojo pheno-types
Punto Rojo pheno-types
Punto Rojo female pheno-types PR - 2, PR- 3, PR -4 Where's the boys?
PR - 2, a clone of PR -1 "Jennifer Flowers" dense and leafy structure in vegetation.
PR-3 " Juicy Lucy" Sweet tropical fruit very wispy.
PR- 4
Punto Rojo pheno-types
Punto Rojo female pheno-types PR - 2, PR- 3, PR -4 Where's the boys?
PR - 2, a clone of PR -1 "Jennifer Flowers" dense and leafy structure in vegetation.
PR-3 " Juicy Lucy" Sweet tropical fruit very wispy.
PR- 4
