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The Search for Trip Weed

Dr.King

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Trip strains from decades past that made a big impression on me and are the foundation of what I mean by trip weed:

Thai Stick - Very powerful and energetic to a fault.

Sumatran - Same as Thai Stick.

Jamaican Ganja - Trippy, powerful, and energetic, but not the same feel as Thai Stick.

These strains were all very powerful, and very consistent.


Trip strains in the last decade or so:

Neville's Haze - As powerful as what I remember from decades past, but this one had the Thai feel to it and was more pure trippy, like psilocybin. It was also extremely euphoric in waves. Best weed I ever smoked. This thread is dedicated to my decade+ search to find a mate for seeds made from this parent.

Zamaldelica - Second strongest in this last decade. The one I tested so far was trippy, but was also a bit on the dark side and especially introspective rather than mind expanding. Anxious to try more because others have reported strong euphoria and energy. I need that outward looking, mind expanding, losing ego, and sense of awe of the world in my keeper cut. The bonus of this line is the relatively quick flowering period for such a plant. The down side is the tendency to auto flower from root restriction, although this could be a potential plus for imaginative growers.

SAGE - Life is good euphoria, and trippy enough to feel in a different plane of existence. Excellent aroma and bag appeal.

Bangi Haze - Just a touch trippy. Exceptional for its clarity, and very positive vibe. Nicely energetic. What it lacks in power, it makes up for in superb quality and excellent balance of effects I desire. To top it off, it finishes in early October!!!!! Breeder quality for a northerner like myself. If I don't find something better in a year or two, I'm breeding this to the seeds from my Neville's Haze cut.

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Since the 1980s, it seems most consistency has been lost, and all selections are highly dependent on the exact cut. In my opinion, this is due to rampant outcrossing, and precious little line breeding. This is a generalized statement, and not to any one specific strain or breeder. Any breeders doing line breeding for more than 6 generations I would consider as modern experts. In my opinion, what people seem to call "landraces", are most often actually line bred strains for 100s of years by generations of breeders, like grandpa or grandma to father or mother, and again to daughter and/or son. My intention is to only cross strains that have qualifying effects. I'm not a line breeding expert, but I think if I stay within certain parameters of effects, I may get some consistency of effects despite the variety of morphological traits. I hope.
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Selections from posters on this thread that have descriptions of the highs that sound like trip weed to me, or general descriptions that seem to have a consensus from many posters. General descriptions would include something like "this was trippy" I have little or no personal experiences with these:

Destroyer

Highland Mexican x Blueberry

Double Jam

Double Thai

Nanan Bouclou - Seems like it might be a bit trippy. Also it is supposed to be relatively early outdoors. It was about a 9-12 week strain indoors if I remember correctly. It did not work indoors for me. I'm thinking of crossing to Bangi Haze to see if I can get it to ripen outdoors. I have seen so many posts from Idiit, who seems to have grown many strains, that I cannot ignore it.

I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch in this last category. If you send me a message, I'll edit this post and add to it if I remember or get enough consensus that I think it qualifies (this could be tricky).

All the Best... Tripsters,

ThaiBliss

Greetings ThaiBliss, thanks for all that great information about the strains. I would have to say out of all the Ace strains I've tired thus far my favorite trippy strain would be Oldtimer's Haze(my holy grail without question). Did a 5 pack, 3 males, 2 females, one was mutated was decent but nothing like the other female which was covered and dripping with trics. Green Haze was very beautiful as well, crazy yield but far less trippy.

Currently trying Pure African which is suppose to be 100% landrace Sativa and very trippy so says the breeder. Also about to get some Double Thai going and Ima have to try their Thai Stick after your report. Heard Ace is trying to get away from the Meao Thai line which I think is a bad move. I thought Meao Thai was suppose to be the strongest of the Thai family, so why breed away from it? Dubi said he wanted Zamaldelica more on the Malawi side for the Carrot taste/smell so they are breeding it more on that side. If you purchase some Malawi ask for the Old Malawi killer seeds, they'd probably be more like the original and more trippy. Maybe Dubi will drop in with more advise :biggrin:

Dubi is working on crossing a elite Zamaldelica with their best OTH as we speak, can't wait for that. Also talked about crossing their OTH with a original haze(32-36 week pheno). I know she would turn out a big beautiful beast outside. Might take 8 or 9 months to flower but a 20 foot trees would turn out a lot of amazing buds. Good luck on your currently journey man finding your holy grail.
 

MostlyMe

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When I first started reading threads here on ICMAG, the Golden Tiger caught my attention and was one of the first I tried. It did not do it for me. Too much knock down energy draining power. The Zamaldelica is way closer to what I'm looking for, but still has some debilitating feel to it, in the first one I tried. I killed it despite the fact it was more strongly trippy than Bangi Haze and SAGE. I'm more optimistic about finding the right one from that Zamaldelica lot. Someday soon, I'll expand my indoor area and grow a bunch of them.

I think that's the Malawi. I've seen many reports of this strain and it's crosses being heavy and down. I don't know if there are other phenos or varieties, but I am not inclined to try and find out - except for Zamaldelica, like you.

Currently trying Pure African which is suppose to be 100% landrace Sativa and very trippy so says the breeder. Also about to get some Double Thai going and Ima have to try their Thai Stick after your report. Heard Ace is trying to get away from the Meao Thai line which I think is a bad move. I thought Meao Thai was suppose to be the strongest of the Thai family, so why breed away from it? Dubi said he wanted Zamaldelica more on the Malawi side for the Carrot taste/smell so they are breeding it more on that side. If you purchase some Malawi ask for the Old Malawi killer seeds, they'd probably be more like the original and more trippy. Maybe Dubi will drop in with more advise :biggrin:

Dubi is working on crossing a elite Zamaldelica with their best OTH as we speak, can't wait for that. Also talked about crossing their OTH with a original haze(32-36 week pheno). I know she would turn out a big beautiful beast outside. Might take 8 or 9 months to flower but a 20 foot trees would turn out a lot of amazing buds. Good luck on your currently journey man finding your holy grail.

Didn't Dubi want to breed Zamaldelica towards Zamal, not Malawi?

Zamaldelica x OTH sounds wonderful!
 

Lesnah

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Speaking about Haze....A few years ago I bought "Sam's Original Haze from BCbuddepot. The description back then claimed it is supposed to be the real deal from SamS' seedstock. Then I read somewhere that bcbud depot is not to be trusted.

Do you guys think the pack I have is really original Haze?
 

Mustafunk

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Dubi is working on crossing a elite Zamaldelica with their best OTH as we speak, can't wait for that.

That "elite" Zamadelica wasn't selected by ACE but a friend of mine who found it in a single packet and besides it's very potent (it tested 25-27%THC once) and has a very nice and distinctive tangy-orangy smell, the effect is not really super clean or tripping but a bit heavy and numb on the other hand (more reminiscent to GT or ACE Malawi), similar to other strong sativa hybrids like Jack Herer, SSH and so on. So it's not really like the traditional no ceiling Haze, Thai and tripping high that most of us look for. The looks are quite compact as well:

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Same cut here grown by my mate ElRubio! :tiphat:
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My bets are that the farthest we get from the original Zamal A Guerrit F1 cross, the less chances of finding that nice tripping expression as we get lost in the search of more commercial qualities like potency and appeal. Shame they never "keep working" on the Zamal X Meao Thai and all the other limited F1s done by bro Pebble in 2008, it was probably a nice strain for the sativa lovers. Apart from having growers to produce their seeds they also ask customers for their keepers in order to breed with them and later sell an allegedly improved version of the strain. Let others do everything and still get all the profit and props, that's the cannabussiness and breeding nowadays lol! :biggrin:

For anyone looking for true tripping Zamal hybrids I'd recommend staying tuned for the Double Zamal (Zamal Mafate 80s x Mauritius sativa) release by Underground Seeds Collective. 100% tropical tripping genes! I'm personally looking forward to give a try on those. ;)


Vibes and nice weekend for everyone!
 
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idiit

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For anyone looking for true tripping Zamal hybrids I'd recommend staying tuned for the Double Zamal (Zamal GN Collection X Zamal Mafate 80s) by Underground Seeds Collective. 100% tropical tripping genes! I'm personally looking forward to give a try on those.

^ heard of these but searched to no avail. thks. for the heads up. while watching for the guererros , michoacans we can mozy on over to the ugs section and check out zambam.

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MountZionCollec

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If ur looking for trip weed it needs to be low in the terpenes Myrcene and lilalool and low in CBD

These three will hold down the "up" high. I have read high limonene leads to the soaring/hazy high.
 

Lesnah

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^ heard of these but searched to no avail. thks. for the heads up. while watching for the guererros , michoacans we can mozy on over to the ugs section and check out zambam.

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Go to TSC's website they offer UGS/jahgreenlabel's genetics.

They've had ugs seeds for a few months now.
 
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Weedninja

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If ur looking for trip weed it needs to be low in the terpenes Myrcene and lilalool and low in CBD

These three will hold down the "up" high. I have read high limonene leads to the soaring/hazy high.

That makes sense, considering all of the lemony Africans and Thais. So who's gonna take one for the team and experiment? :biggrin:

Great thread, btw.
 

ThaiBliss

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If ur looking for trip weed it needs to be low in the terpenes Myrcene and lilalool and low in CBD

These three will hold down the "up" high. I have read high limonene leads to the soaring/hazy high.

Thanks for the post MZC,

This is a discussion that I don't think we have explored much in this thread, to its detriment. I definitely agree with the notion of low CBD being important. Low being below 0.1, and 0.01 being what should be strived for.

In my opinion, there have been a number of aromas and tastes that I have associated with good up cerebral, energetic, trippy strains:

Citric - Lemon, Lime, and including the bitter citric rind.
Pine
Pepper
Fruits - Especially the green/sour types. The Jamaican males I have been growing all have a green apple and incense aromas. God I hope I'm wrong and I get a female this time.
Metallic - Oily metal shop.
Incense - Like the old 70s sandalwood cones or frankincense.
Mint

I remember the Thai Sticks I was getting had citric rind and peppery aromas.

I wonder if the pepper and pine are variations of the same terpene blends.

Gas chromatography shops are starting to advertise terpene analysis. I may start testing my plants regularly in the coming months as legalization ramps up. The law require cannabinoid analysis.

ThaiBliss
 

satva

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hey idiit, I saw you mention "Red Haired Mexican" in reference to the 1960's Mexican in Destroyer's original Mexican x Colombian father. Charlie Garcia noted the 1960's Mexican / Colombian father came from his original partner, and was unknown. There is a grow report on the CBG Destroyer thread showing a well grown purple phenotype of Destroyer, which could be Colombian dominate. Any theories on the region of origin for Mexican Red Hair?

Destroyer's Thai dominate phenotype - the early vapors, on low temperatures taste guava first, then lemon, those vapors create a very pleasureable, clear, soaring high. The hot temperature vapors are lavender. They never get a dense, heavy or burnt taste like say the hot vapors of Mango Haze.

Highland Mexican vapaors- low temperature to hot temperatures, are first perfume, to lime, then fine musk temple incense. These temple incense vapors create a psychedelic high that takes you higher, to the next level. Not a woody / cedar / citrus taste like sandalwood or frankincense.

I get sandalwood and frankincense in Mango Haze and Destroyer x Pakistani Chitral Kush. These terpenes are denser, relaxed, centered, and have a psychedelic effect. What I call a spiritual high -great for meditating "high".

PS> What else do we know about "Guerrero Red" and "Guerrero Gold" project? I'd love "Guerrero Gold"! Chimera's Guerrero is Green, spot on for Dj Short's notes on Guerrero Green from the 1970's - Strains from Yesteryear.

PPS> rhmx has been cursed so far. ,lol> Try mantra recitation to clear away the dreaded "Red Hair" curse. Punto Rojo. Punto Rojo, Punto Rojo said softly is a mantra that dispels negativity often associated with 20 weeks of flowering ,lol> and things like that!
 
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dubi

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Mustafunk,

I never post outside ACE Seeds room but your negative attitude is going too far.
Seems like you are in your own crusade against ACE and me, not sure what are your reasons for that but your comments are really disgusting and far from the truth.

'Your friend' that selected that Zamaldelica is also a friend of mine and he shared his Zamaldelica selected mother with me, the same i shared clones and seeds from my collection with him. That Zamaldelica mother is just one of the Zamaldelica parental plants we keep in our mother room.

It's indeed a very special mother that i appreciate a lot, the high is very uplifting clean and high quality, the comparison of its effects with Jack Herer and SSH is far to be accurate. That's just your opinion, and you will always use the chance to discredit us whenever you have the chance, so i don't expect any objective opinion about our genetics from you. The fact that this Zamaldelica mother is offered in clubs in Spain is a sign of its quality.

I still have the Zamal/Thai and Angola/Thai lines, i wish i had more time and resources to breed further all the lines i have produced in the past, anyway if you enjoyed them so much, better spend your time to breed them for your taste instead of blaming others for not doing what you expect. It's completely childish.

For your information, Pebble is also a friend of mine and collaborated with me at that time to make the reproduction you commented, i gave him all the parental female plants from our mother room to make this reproduction.

What is really a shame is that you spend so much time to bad mouth others.
Do you know how many reproduction we do every year ?

Your comment saying that others breed for us and we get the profit from them is totally disgusting and false. I work with the same group of collaborators to produce seeds for many years and they are more than happy to work together with us. I am the only one who takes the decisions of every breeding and reproduction at ACE.

You post like if you were an eminence of cannabis, talking about places you have never been. All your information comes from others opinions and very few actually comes from your own experience. You are very good at writing and quoting others, but I have yet to see a decent plant grown by yourself, or a decent line breed by yourself.

How can you recommend something which you have yet to try ?

Sorry ThaiBliss, it was not my intention to drop by here in this situation, but in the honour of truth and my work i had to reply.
 

idiit

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hey idiit, I saw you mention "Red Haired Mexican" in reference to the 1960's Mexican in Destroyer's original Mexican x Colombian father. Charlie Garcia noted the 1960's Mexican / Colombian father came from his original partner, and was unknown. There is a grow report on the CBG Destroyer thread showing a well grown purple phenotype of Destroyer, which could be Colombian dominate. Any theories on the region of origin for Mexican Red Hair?

I've tried a few outdoor guerilla grows to get to know the rhmx leaning pheno. 1/2 of my od guerilla grows on average over the years don't make it to harvest. rhmx has been cursed so far. I was just thinking today I really need to get this one done outdoors.
 

Huesos

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Dubi, just one thing from me as follows:

I admire your work:huggg:. I wish we could live closer, so we could light one up.
 

MountZionCollec

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Much respect Dubi!

Thaibliss

The pine smell is from the terpene pinene which is known to increase alertness and the absorption of thc, as well as other things.

As of yet the only terpenes I have found to "increase" the sativa high are limonene and pinene. Limonene for the hazy direction and pinene for a more focussed expresso like high. I would be very interested to learn of any other terpenes that could take a sativa to the next level.

Many terpenes do not interfere with the thc in a way that limits the heights or clearness of the high though they don't enhance it either, and I would guess many of the smells noted would potentially fall in that category.

The big thing is extremely low levels of CBD, CBN, myrcene, lilalool...maybe others? But those are big 4 to avoid for sativas then theirs really not any ceiling to the high and the come down is much cleaner and lighter.
 

ThaiBliss

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I'm no diplomat. I step on toes all the time, usually by mistake. I'd hope that we could try not to get too personal here from now on.

The truth is that I have a good impression from both you guys. Either one of you would be welcome to visit at my house anytime. I hope you can get by your raw feelings and forgive whatever transgressions that each feel have occurred. Please forgive me for my transgressions that I'm about to make in this post, and all the future ones that I will surely make.

I'm not taking sides, I'm just opinionated. I am in agreement with Mustafunk about personal taste in the effects I want from Cannabis. But Dubi has a point about sharing genetics. I think it is a good thing. I think we have hoarded a lot of great strains out of existence. My biggest fear is that companies or individuals will try and patent genetics like some damned Monsanto or something.

I can't fault anyone who has tastes different than mine, or wants to make a living growing this wonderful herb. I'm ramping up here myself because of the recent change in legal status locally. Despite my own preferences, I have a cutting named Afghani Black Domina growing in my garden that is known for it's knock out punch sleepy time effect. I'm such a whore! LOL. I feel I need to get my foot in the door of the local dispensaries so I can promote what I really like best.

The good news is that there is hope of a future release of Zamal Haze or Zamal Thai. I actually think Dubi just promised us to do so. LOL. (It's official, I've now stepped on the toes of both. Uh oh! I'm a manipulative whore.) I think that Zamal Thai would be my number 1 desire for any strains that I could think of being offered anywhere that I have seen. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
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Would there be any takers for Zamal x Meao Thai? Please step up and be heard!

Peace,

ThaiBliss
 
B

bringyalungs

well good think we know dubi got the zamal x meao thai, Bliss I'm in with you....

we want zamal x meao thai
we want zamal x meao thai
we want zamal x meao thai

hell no we won't go
hell no we won't go
hell no we won't go

and while you at it drop that Angola x Thai too.... lol
 

Donn

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The pine smell is from the terpene pinene which is known to increase alertness and the absorption of thc, as well as other things.

Probably true, but worth noting that pine needles also have other terpenes - thunbergol, limonene, β-phellandrene, etc. If you can tell the difference between pine and other conifers by smell, then it's probably not pinene, because others (e.g., Douglas fir) have that as well.

I understand turpentine is essentially pinene - maybe α-pinene or both, not sure about that.
 

BoldAsLove

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Good info MountZion. I've come to similar theories as yourself. Another terpene that piques my interest is eucalyptus/1,8-cineole. It's been thought to aid THC in passing the blood brain barrier more easily/quickly. I definitely think these "turbo" terpenes could be the building blocks of a trippy effect when not antagonized by cbd, cbn, downer terps, etc.. Do you have any other thoughts on trippy chemotypes?
 

BoldAsLove

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In my opinion, there have been a number of aromas and tastes that I have associated with good up cerebral, energetic, trippy strains:

Citric - Lemon, Lime, and including the bitter citric rind.
Pine
Pepper
Fruits - Especially the green/sour types. The Jamaican males I have been growing all have a green apple and incense aromas. God I hope I'm wrong and I get a female this time.
Metallic - Oily metal shop.
Incense - Like the old 70s sandalwood cones or frankincense.
Mint

ThaiBliss

Hey TB, other than the metallic smell, that list pretty well describes the bouquet of OTH #5 throughout it's life cycle.
 
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