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The Search for Trip Weed
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Greetings,
Just wanted to document that my Jamaicans, the Green Haze x Panama, and the Punto Rojo went into the flowering cabinet two days ago. They are all in one pot. They say "if you want it to rain, plan a picnic". These four Sativa dominant plants are too much for the pot and the cabinet. I need one or two of those Jamaicans to be male, so I can cut them back and make room for the others. They will probably both be female. I'll take some pictures this next weekend. They are loving the bright lights and numerous waterings, 12 times daily.
Just in case I get comments that this is superstitious thinking, I know! LOL. I don't actually believe that if I get a highly desired female Jamaican for testing, it was due to having too many plants in the flowering cabinet. It is a joke about my bad luck so far.
On the other hand, for all I know, it is good luck. I won't really know until the female children from those Jamaican males are tested. I may be fabulously lucky because I have already produced many Jamaican crosses. Next possibilities are Punto Rojo x Jamaican, and Green Haze x Panama x Jamaican. I think the Punto Rojo x Jamaican might be quite the cross, possibly two breeder quality parents.
ThaiBliss
Just wanted to document that my Jamaicans, the Green Haze x Panama, and the Punto Rojo went into the flowering cabinet two days ago. They are all in one pot. They say "if you want it to rain, plan a picnic". These four Sativa dominant plants are too much for the pot and the cabinet. I need one or two of those Jamaicans to be male, so I can cut them back and make room for the others. They will probably both be female. I'll take some pictures this next weekend. They are loving the bright lights and numerous waterings, 12 times daily.
Just in case I get comments that this is superstitious thinking, I know! LOL. I don't actually believe that if I get a highly desired female Jamaican for testing, it was due to having too many plants in the flowering cabinet. It is a joke about my bad luck so far.
On the other hand, for all I know, it is good luck. I won't really know until the female children from those Jamaican males are tested. I may be fabulously lucky because I have already produced many Jamaican crosses. Next possibilities are Punto Rojo x Jamaican, and Green Haze x Panama x Jamaican. I think the Punto Rojo x Jamaican might be quite the cross, possibly two breeder quality parents.
ThaiBliss
Colombian Love Fest
Colombian Love Fest
Punto Rojo female + (a few Punto Rojo seedlings not shown)
Colombian Gold x C99 female
Colombian Gold x C99 male
[(1980 Colombian Gold / 1970 Jamacian Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold]
[(1980 Colombian Gold / 1970 Jamacian Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold]
Colombian Love Fest
Punto Rojo female + (a few Punto Rojo seedlings not shown)
Colombian Gold x C99 female
Colombian Gold x C99 male
[(1980 Colombian Gold / 1970 Jamacian Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold]
[(1980 Colombian Gold / 1970 Jamacian Lambsbread) x 1980 Colombian Gold]
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zustin went on the Reunion Island!
he has not smoked for several days of good weed because transport take time and do not offer time for high and goods deals are limited.
He is homesick and he smokes mango carrot that flourished in the tropical sun so he took a big slap in the face and had colorful visions ...
what else? What others? nothing
we try to create the legend but it is pure fantasy ! 2cents...
some zamal are really trippy and I think zamal is the best for that but the zamal smoked by zustin can be found at some place this days.
2cents...
W
wrapface
nice plants !
Keeping with the topic... here are some pics of Zamal GN Collection F1 female from an old frozen packet kept by a friend. Only the chosen ones sprouted and this is the best looking female so far. This year I'm back home so a promising season is coming soon. 
Love the tiny leaves and branching structure after some bending:
5 fingered fan leaves remind me so much to the Jamaican Lamsbread.
There are also some F3 and F5 plants from Vibes Collective around to have more chances to find a male and do a seedrun for a future Zamal project with other strains from my collection (sourced at different villages from La Réunion), although not a single one (non-hermie) appeared in more than 7 years so I'm not really optimistic!
Some autoflowering plants were discarded but we are ready to find out if the strain holds by itself after all those forum stories about it.
Vibes.
Love the tiny leaves and branching structure after some bending:
5 fingered fan leaves remind me so much to the Jamaican Lamsbread.
There are also some F3 and F5 plants from Vibes Collective around to have more chances to find a male and do a seedrun for a future Zamal project with other strains from my collection (sourced at different villages from La Réunion), although not a single one (non-hermie) appeared in more than 7 years so I'm not really optimistic!
Some autoflowering plants were discarded but we are ready to find out if the strain holds by itself after all those forum stories about it.
Vibes.
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Hello Idiit
I think it would also be a high yeilder except for the 16 - 17 week finish time... they do love the hot sun and flourished when others struggled. .. the crosses i made with it for this year are monsters to say the least .. it will be interesting how much flower time it cut keeping them sativa lines... some yhis year are leaning to a more pronounced thai influanced structor.
I think it would also be a high yeilder except for the 16 - 17 week finish time... they do love the hot sun and flourished when others struggled. .. the crosses i made with it for this year are monsters to say the least .. it will be interesting how much flower time it cut keeping them sativa lines... some yhis year are leaning to a more pronounced thai influanced structor.
Trip Weed Recap
Trip Weed Recap
Trip strains from decades past that made a big impression on me and are the foundation of what I mean by trip weed:
Thai Stick - Very powerful and energetic to a fault.
Sumatran - Same as Thai Stick.
Jamaican Ganja - Trippy, powerful, and energetic, but not the same feel as Thai Stick.
These strains were all very powerful, and very consistent.
Trip strains in the last decade or so:
Neville's Haze - As powerful as what I remember from decades past, but this one had the Thai feel to it and was more pure trippy, like psilocybin. It was also extremely euphoric in waves. Best weed I ever smoked. This thread is dedicated to my decade+ search to find a mate for seeds made from this parent.
Zamaldelica - Second strongest in this last decade. The one I tested so far was trippy, but was also a bit on the dark side and especially introspective rather than mind expanding. Anxious to try more because others have reported strong euphoria and energy. I need that outward looking, mind expanding, losing ego, and sense of awe of the world in my keeper cut. The bonus of this line is the relatively quick flowering period for such a plant. The down side is the tendency to auto flower from root restriction, although this could be a potential plus for imaginative growers.
SAGE - Life is good euphoria, and trippy enough to feel in a different plane of existence. Excellent aroma and bag appeal.
Bangi Haze - Just a touch trippy. Exceptional for its clarity, and very positive vibe. Nicely energetic. What it lacks in power, it makes up for in superb quality and excellent balance of effects I desire. To top it off, it finishes in early October!!!!! Breeder quality for a northerner like myself. If I don't find something better in a year or two, I'm breeding this to the seeds from my Neville's Haze cut.
Since the 1980s, it seems most consistency has been lost, and all selections are highly dependent on the exact cut. In my opinion, this is due to rampant outcrossing, and precious little line breeding. This is a generalized statement, and not to any one specific strain or breeder. Any breeders doing line breeding for more than 6 generations I would consider as modern experts. In my opinion, what people seem to call "landraces", are most often actually line bred strains for 100s of years by generations of breeders, like grandpa or grandma to father or mother, and again to daughter and/or son. My intention is to only cross strains that have qualifying effects. I'm not a line breeding expert, but I think if I stay within certain parameters of effects, I may get some consistency of effects despite the variety of morphological traits. I hope.
Selections from posters on this thread that have descriptions of the highs that sound like trip weed to me, or general descriptions that seem to have a consensus from many posters. General descriptions would include something like "this was trippy" I have little or no personal experiences with these:
Destroyer
Highland Mexican x Blueberry
Double Jam
Double Thai
Nanan Bouclou - Seems like it might be a bit trippy. Also it is supposed to be relatively early outdoors. It was about a 9-12 week strain indoors if I remember correctly. It did not work indoors for me. I'm thinking of crossing to Bangi Haze to see if I can get it to ripen outdoors. I have seen so many posts from Idiit, who seems to have grown many strains, that I cannot ignore it.
I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch in this last category. If you send me a message, I'll edit this post and add to it if I remember or get enough consensus that I think it qualifies (this could be tricky).
All the Best... Tripsters,
ThaiBliss
Trip Weed Recap
Trip strains from decades past that made a big impression on me and are the foundation of what I mean by trip weed:
Thai Stick - Very powerful and energetic to a fault.
Sumatran - Same as Thai Stick.
Jamaican Ganja - Trippy, powerful, and energetic, but not the same feel as Thai Stick.
These strains were all very powerful, and very consistent.
Trip strains in the last decade or so:
Neville's Haze - As powerful as what I remember from decades past, but this one had the Thai feel to it and was more pure trippy, like psilocybin. It was also extremely euphoric in waves. Best weed I ever smoked. This thread is dedicated to my decade+ search to find a mate for seeds made from this parent.
Zamaldelica - Second strongest in this last decade. The one I tested so far was trippy, but was also a bit on the dark side and especially introspective rather than mind expanding. Anxious to try more because others have reported strong euphoria and energy. I need that outward looking, mind expanding, losing ego, and sense of awe of the world in my keeper cut. The bonus of this line is the relatively quick flowering period for such a plant. The down side is the tendency to auto flower from root restriction, although this could be a potential plus for imaginative growers.
SAGE - Life is good euphoria, and trippy enough to feel in a different plane of existence. Excellent aroma and bag appeal.
Bangi Haze - Just a touch trippy. Exceptional for its clarity, and very positive vibe. Nicely energetic. What it lacks in power, it makes up for in superb quality and excellent balance of effects I desire. To top it off, it finishes in early October!!!!! Breeder quality for a northerner like myself. If I don't find something better in a year or two, I'm breeding this to the seeds from my Neville's Haze cut.
Since the 1980s, it seems most consistency has been lost, and all selections are highly dependent on the exact cut. In my opinion, this is due to rampant outcrossing, and precious little line breeding. This is a generalized statement, and not to any one specific strain or breeder. Any breeders doing line breeding for more than 6 generations I would consider as modern experts. In my opinion, what people seem to call "landraces", are most often actually line bred strains for 100s of years by generations of breeders, like grandpa or grandma to father or mother, and again to daughter and/or son. My intention is to only cross strains that have qualifying effects. I'm not a line breeding expert, but I think if I stay within certain parameters of effects, I may get some consistency of effects despite the variety of morphological traits. I hope.
Selections from posters on this thread that have descriptions of the highs that sound like trip weed to me, or general descriptions that seem to have a consensus from many posters. General descriptions would include something like "this was trippy" I have little or no personal experiences with these:
Destroyer
Highland Mexican x Blueberry
Double Jam
Double Thai
Nanan Bouclou - Seems like it might be a bit trippy. Also it is supposed to be relatively early outdoors. It was about a 9-12 week strain indoors if I remember correctly. It did not work indoors for me. I'm thinking of crossing to Bangi Haze to see if I can get it to ripen outdoors. I have seen so many posts from Idiit, who seems to have grown many strains, that I cannot ignore it.
I'm pretty sure I missed a bunch in this last category. If you send me a message, I'll edit this post and add to it if I remember or get enough consensus that I think it qualifies (this could be tricky).
All the Best... Tripsters,
ThaiBliss
My favorite trip weed has always been thai brought in at the end of the war late seventies it was fully mature loose thai strong oily coffee smell a slow build with no ceiling for a very long time of listening to pink Floyd .. If you didn't pace it you would face plant on the table and enter dream land....
Could always head up to Potter Valley and get Skunk that everyone was raving about but for me it didn't compare.....
My second was Santa Marta Red $40.00 lids.... Best taste ever
One of the The Golden Tigers I grew last season turned red after 6 months cure and is currently my favorite trip weed... I do find it interesting that only one came out this way the others are ok but this one has what I like in flavor and mild building trippy attributes I think I just got lucky and am really excited to see how it's offspring finish this year...stems are already turning rusty red with a long way to go.
Wish I would have been smart enough to clone it.
Could always head up to Potter Valley and get Skunk that everyone was raving about but for me it didn't compare.....
My second was Santa Marta Red $40.00 lids.... Best taste ever
One of the The Golden Tigers I grew last season turned red after 6 months cure and is currently my favorite trip weed... I do find it interesting that only one came out this way the others are ok but this one has what I like in flavor and mild building trippy attributes I think I just got lucky and am really excited to see how it's offspring finish this year...stems are already turning rusty red with a long way to go.
Wish I would have been smart enough to clone it.
Originally Posted by FrostyMcStone
Hi Thaibliss, I very much enjoy reading your posts! Thanks for this thread!
Just for a quick recap:
Has anyone found THE strain or THE plant?
^ exactly. golden tiger; one of the only outdoor commercial strain I know of that is also high grade personal smoke trip weed if you get the right cut and run cuts. problem with gt is knowing in advance it's a killer keeper so that we save a cut. I didn't keep a cut of my fantastic gt either.
Seeds of Africa Malawi Gold is the other.
say "Malawi".
and what is Malawi famous for? arguably the best African strain if you get the right one, properly grown, properly cured in some cases. potency, psychoactive high, hardy, extreme vigor/yield especially in hybrids. some pretty frosty. some excellent bud structure after cure. should not be a surprise to anyone here that malawi has huge potential in "the search for trip weed".
i'm interested in zamal or zamal in hybrids as another possible trip strain. got to get the special zamal pheno or do a correct hybrid that adds some zest to the zamal genome. I strongly suspect that santa maria might be this correct pairing for zamal and am starting the process for this hybrid. santa maria sativa dom is intense. eskobar says she is excellent in hybrids ( holy princess, blue santa).
ppl get confused about santa maria. no mercy's bx is nowhere near eskobar's original planck cut. I had to run 15 nm santa marias' to find two breeder sativa dom parents; one female, one male.
soa mg/santa maria sativa dom, zamal/santa maria sativa dom look promising.
When I first started reading threads here on ICMAG, the Golden Tiger caught my attention and was one of the first I tried. It did not do it for me. Too much knock down energy draining power. The Zamaldelica is way closer to what I'm looking for, but still has some debilitating feel to it, in the first one I tried. I killed it despite the fact it was more strongly trippy than Bangi Haze and SAGE. I'm more optimistic about finding the right one from that Zamaldelica lot. Someday soon, I'll expand my indoor area and grow a bunch of them.
The last batches of Thai I got in '79, '80, '81 years were loose, not on a stick, and heavily seeded. It was still extremely powerful weed, just like the sticks. I have such regrets not saving large quantities of those seeds. It was plants that I grew from those seeds in my first ever indoor grow with HID lamps that were the only successful pure Thai grows that I have done. Strangely, even though the high from that homegrown weed as intense, it had a different feel to it than the buds that those seeds came from. It was also surprisingly quick. It has been a very long time ago, but I swear those plants looked ripe and were harvested somewhere in the 3-4 month range. But they definately looked the part with the bamboo like structure/stems, and super skinny leaves, linear and straight as a board, with jagged serrations. It was the Neville's Haze cut I had that fully replicated the distinctive Thai vibe.
Could've, Would've, Should've
ThaiBliss
The last batches of Thai I got in '79, '80, '81 years were loose, not on a stick, and heavily seeded. It was still extremely powerful weed, just like the sticks. I have such regrets not saving large quantities of those seeds. It was plants that I grew from those seeds in my first ever indoor grow with HID lamps that were the only successful pure Thai grows that I have done. Strangely, even though the high from that homegrown weed as intense, it had a different feel to it than the buds that those seeds came from. It was also surprisingly quick. It has been a very long time ago, but I swear those plants looked ripe and were harvested somewhere in the 3-4 month range. But they definately looked the part with the bamboo like structure/stems, and super skinny leaves, linear and straight as a board, with jagged serrations. It was the Neville's Haze cut I had that fully replicated the distinctive Thai vibe.
Could've, Would've, Should've
ThaiBliss
I grew out Zamaldelica and got a short fast flower pheno and a large bush with many branches.... Both very frosty not super dense very sativa structured ... I chose the bushy one for breeding the effect was a little to active for me and my mind was going 100 miles an hour .. Good for some days but I like the slow build effect most of the time.. Crossed the Zamaldelica with grand daddy purples Bay Dream and Bay 11 ..they are currently turning into monster trees .. Did a winter seed test and ended up with a bud weighing in at 132 grams .. Very large fully ripe.. We will see after the cure what it finishes like. Smell is intense Cinnimon and black pepper with maybe a bit of liqourice..
Very much enjoy reading on Icmag and learning more of what I thought I already knew.
Very much enjoy reading on Icmag and learning more of what I thought I already knew.
I've been growing Eskos Santa Maria (from seed) for a couple of years now, it's one of my faves, not devistatingly strong by any means but I describe the high as a "hippy euphoria"... it could well be a good addition to zamal for a more full on trippy effect..
I tend to think that outdoor grown pot is far more likely to have that euphoria component. I'm definitely not saying that indoor grows can't produce happy weed but having grown the same strain outdoors and indoors the sun ripened stuff is usually much happier while the indoor stuff is somewhat more edgy or smokes just like any other strain. It's probably strain dependant but the difference is very pronounced in the strains I consider euphoric, and there aren't too many of those. That's why it's always my first priority to create an outdoor version of anything I consider special... Mextiza for example.
I like outdoors. It is more fun, prettier, and usually better if the strain is early enough. I want to try Mextiza someday.
"Hippy Euphoria" sounds like my kind of weed. I've been describing Bangi Haze as irie, which may mean the same thing, respect and positive vibe.
The plants in my flowering cabinet are exploding. I'm getting bounce back factor after the pruning last week, in addition to the early flowering stretch. I'm going to cut back again one more time. Before I do... pictures:
Jamaicans:
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"Hippy Euphoria" sounds like my kind of weed. I've been describing Bangi Haze as irie, which may mean the same thing, respect and positive vibe.
The plants in my flowering cabinet are exploding. I'm getting bounce back factor after the pruning last week, in addition to the early flowering stretch. I'm going to cut back again one more time. Before I do... pictures:
Jamaicans:
#2:
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Punto Rojo:
Green Haze x Panama:
These are both female, but I think the Jamaicans are both male. Has anyone ever had all seeds be male. Is it because they are old? Perhaps they all came from a male, that got triggered to express female due to some environmental condition, and now all progeny are male. It probably means I'll be making a lot of Punto Rojo x Jamaican. Got to roll with it, I guess.
ThaiBliss
Green Haze x Panama:
These are both female, but I think the Jamaicans are both male. Has anyone ever had all seeds be male. Is it because they are old? Perhaps they all came from a male, that got triggered to express female due to some environmental condition, and now all progeny are male. It probably means I'll be making a lot of Punto Rojo x Jamaican. Got to roll with it, I guess.
ThaiBliss
i have found the same thule,
the indoor versions always seem a bit heavier ,
not as pleasant , like its bringing out indica traits ..
i think its one of the reasons ive always preferred outdoor herb ..
I think this is the reason so many indoor growers experiment with MH and UV, in an attempt to bring out some of the these qualities.. in the case of Chunkypigs entry at 420 this year it certainly worked.. that OGKB 2.0 was literally caked in resin...and flowered under MH...
I myself use HPS with an element of added blue...
I myself use HPS with an element of added blue...
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