The Search for Trip Weed

[Infinitesimal]

Tabitha v1.1
Tropical NLD x (Tropical NLD x Connoisseur Hybrid)​

My flash is messed up but I was finally able to get some decent pics by manually adjusting apurature and ISO settings

Short Hashplant expression, #11 @ 98 days flowering ...

 

[M.R.GT]

Great thread. Thanks for the read Thaibliss.

Great pics and stories thanks to all who have contributed.

Peace
GT

 

[red rider]

I agree 100% this the best thread, thank you Thaibliss and everyone else that's contributed.


red rider

 

[FrostyMcStone]

Hi Thaibliss, I very much enjoy reading your posts! Thanks for this thread!

Just for a quick recap:
Has anyone found THE strain or THE plant?

 

[greenghost420]

Those are Deepots, used by the Forest Service for starting trees. They are about an inch and a half wide, and about 11 inches deep.

looked like you were flowering em in pipe lol very nice job!

 

[Riddleme]

Hi Thaibliss, I very much enjoy reading your posts! Thanks for this thread!

Just for a quick recap:
Has anyone found THE strain or THE plant?

I've found mine

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I thought I'd post a couple of pictures of my outdoor grow. You never know where the good weed is going to come from:

ThaiBliss

 

[M.R.GT]

Sweet, Loving the big light.

 

[bushweed]

Mr TB, how are you brother? Great to see that Raco upgraded you to sticky status. Well I promised you some Hz x Super Laos beans, alas some rippers found the mother before I could harvest them...so it's back to the drawing board. Anyway the haze had been flowering for 2 months before the Laos male even showed his balls, which is a pretty damn late maturing plant, even by my standards. So this year I'm mainly smoking haze, Kanga's MM stock and a cross I made of Kanga's MM and another local bush Thai (both contained some indica traits), but one of these plants turned out to be the freaky Thai some of us hardcore sat lovers admire...

I harvested 2 ounces off that plant!! The other phenos turned out normal like this..

So I assume that ridiculously long winded GN Thai x MM/Nhz you grew was dismal in the smoke dept? I had one that was average, but the best 2 were trippier than the best MMxThai78, and is the only thing I'm still smoking from last year after a 12 month cure...

It's amazing the difference in environments has on structure. I gave my lady some of this at a party recently and she got extremely paranoid and thought everyone was talking about her...2 hits on a bong is really all it takes for an exhilarating ride. Anyway buddy, that Sour Diesel looks interesting. I remember Rez said a large part of the makeup was Mexican. Keep it up mate.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Mr TB, how are you brother? Great to see that Raco upgraded you to sticky status.

I'm doing well Bushy. Thanks for the positive vibes, and it is good to hear from you and see your fantastic plants posted here.

...Hz x Super Laos... alas some rippers found the mother before I could harvest them...so it's back to the drawing board. Anyway the haze had been flowering for 2 months before the Laos male even showed his balls, which is a pretty damn late maturing plant, even by my standards.

Thanks for the info. If I get a male of the Laos, I'll cross it to Bangi Haze to try and make it just a regularly difficult to grow tropical. LOL

So this year I'm mainly smoking haze, Kanga's MM stock and a cross I made of Kanga's MM and another local bush Thai (both contained some indica traits), but one of these plants turned out to be the freaky Thai some of us hardcore sat lovers admire...

That crazy bud structure is how that great Neville's Haze looked, but 1/10 as prolific, if you can imagine that. Perhaps it would have looked like yours if grown outdoors in a proper climate. I hope yours smokes great.

I harvested 2 ounces off that plant!! The other phenos turned out normal like this..
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Looks fantastic, as all of yours do!

So I assume that ridiculously long winded GN Thai x MM/Nhz you grew was dismal in the smoke dept? I had one that was average, but the best 2 were trippier than the best MMxThai78, and is the only thing I'm still smoking from last year after a 12 month cure...

I would not describe it as dismal at all. It has some good qualities in effects, tasty, but not especially potent. Not enough to justify the 9 months that I grew it for. It was fun to grow. My best Bangi Haze is slightly better, and I love the Bangi Haze. If it was as quick as the Bangi Haze, I would have kept the cutting from it. Next time I might find a better one, and hopefully, I will do a better job growing it.

It's amazing the difference in environments has on structure. I gave my lady some of this at a party recently and she got extremely paranoid and thought everyone was talking about her...2 hits on a bong is really all it takes for an exhilarating ride.

I'll try it again, I kept the seeds, and I'll grow it with a longer flowering one like Laos, Zamal x Thai x Neville's, or Khmer Gold if I am able to acquire those. I believe I took it to 9 months. Some strains really react differently indoors. The Copalita and the Gypsy Thai x MM x NHz really look different in their proper environment. I suspect that the GT x MM x NHz was actually done at 7 months, when it really smelled strongly incense like. It faded in aroma after that, even though it was still throwing new pistils. It was still throwing pistils at 9 months when I gave up.

Anyway buddy, that Sour Diesel looks interesting. I remember Rez said a large part of the makeup was Mexican. Keep it up mate.

I did not know that. I just posted it to the Mexican Landrace thread because it reminded me of Oaxacan Trance. I did get a comment that it looks different than other people's Sour Diesel, so maybe someone made seeds and selected a Mexican leaning one. Lucky me.

Here is a more recent picture, two weeks later than the first one I posted.

Sour Diesel:

If anyone else runs Sour Diesel, please let us know what you think of the looks of this one compared to yours.

Bushy - Please post more pictures of your plants here, so we all know what we need to aspire to.

ThaiBliss

 

[Infinitesimal]

hey TB,

your plant does look quite a bit like the HMBB's in the leaf pattern at least... but doesn't really look like the Sour D I have seen.

let me preface this with the fact that when you trace the history back it ends up being unknown and comes from bagseed...

the theory that Sour D has mexican genetics comes from Soma's speculation that East Coast Sour Diesel is a mexican/afghan cross (which is incorect as far as I can tell) and the convoluted relationship between the East Coast Sour Diesel and Soma's New York City Diesel, because many people confuse the two for being the same thing... when actually the ECSD is a clone only and NYCD is an ECSD bagseed gifted to Soma, then pollinated by Soma with his afghan/hawaiian male to make his NYCD.

the history of Sour Diesel is traced back to the east coast in the early 90's where a guy named Asshole Joe found a bag seed grew it out and that became the East Coast Sour Diesel clone...

the AJ Sour Diesel seed came from a bag of pot simply called "Diesel" at the time on the east coast all good weed was called diesel... like how people refer to good weed as "chronic" "fire" "bomb" in general terms. Yet, the guy known as Chem took his '91 Chemdog cut to mass and did some trades, the '91 cut got renamed Diesel on the east coast and became the "original diesel" because of its superiority and popularity... which is the bag that AJ found his seed in that turned into the Sour Diesel.

So Sour Diesel is a Chemdog bagseed... then that raises the question of where does chemdog come from?

the Chemdog cuts come from bagseed found by a guy called "G" aka "Chemdog" in an ounce of bud he bought known as Chem aka Dog Bud in colorado that was regularly shipped there during the late 80's to 90's. The Dog Bud had been propagated and grown for a long time outdoors near the california oregon border.

the exact genetics of the Chem aka Dog Bud, grown up there near the border are still unknown... without the proper genome mapping.. though I think Sam will suggest that the genetics originate from his early skunk variety that was then grown and adapted to the region... which I think can account for the similarities between Sour D, Chemdog and the OG kush, if it all comes from Skunk... which is (Colombian Gold x Acapulco Gold) x Afghan.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks Infinitesimal. The interesting part in all of this is the looping back to Acapulco Gold. The Neville's Haze pheno that I happily experienced appeared to me to be a combination of Thai and Mexican. I thought it's leaves were the spitting image of a Oaxacan pictured here:

I was corrected about the possibility of the Mexican in Haze being Oaxacan. It was Acapulco Gold. However, look on a map of Mexico, and Acapulco is not too far from the border of Oaxaca.

One of the distinguishing features of the Neville's Haze plant, that was so supreme, was the nasty sharp and dangerous looking serrations, including double serrations at times during it's growth. If you expand the size of the photo above by clicking on the bar on top of the picture, you can look carefully and find leaves that display double serrations.

Here is the earlier picture of my "Sour Diesel" cutting:

What this Sour Diesel lacks is the golden color and the handle bar mustache curve of a set of the smaller opposing leaflets. It does have the narrow angle serrations including double serrations.

This all boils down to why I include Thai and Mexican in my groups of plants where I focus my search for trip weed. My highest priority strains would be:

Thai
Mexican
Jamaican
Sumatran

But I also would include:

Zamal
Kerala

As well as:

Nepalese

And:

Everything Else...



ThaiBliss

 

[Infinitesimal]

here is one of my wild type Tabitha displaying double and triple serrations

but really trip weed will have more to do with chemotype specifically its terpene profiles than its leaf morphology


The thing is the East Coast Sour Diesel (the real thing, AJ's Sour) has a bit of a wider leaflet and doesnt have dual serrations... it looks more kushy and definitely not hazey... similar looking to your headband. which the real headband is OG x ECSD.

and yes the real ECSD is the most sativa of the Chemdog expressions and if the Chemdog line all comes from skunk then if could be an expression that lingers more on the CG and AG side of the line compared to the other cuts.

PS all acapulco herb was actually grown in the highland mountains of guerrero just outside of acapulco... and yeah guerrero oaxaca POTato potATO

 

[Bob Green]

That is some wicked looking Thai Bushy! Sorry to hear about you plants getting jacked. Always a pleasure to see your work!

I just sprouted a OZ Carrot x Thai for a last minute outdoor myself. I'll try to post a few pics once it gets going.

I swear this is one of the threads that keeps me coming back for more.

The hunt continues...

 

[ThaiBliss]

A Sour Diesel I´m growing atm

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A S1, no idea about what cutting is.
Will be pollinated.

Thanks Harry,

That looks like my headband. My Tahoe OG looks about in the middle, which is another one the cutting purveyor recommended. I noticed the Sour Diesel, and grabbed it, just for the looks and reputation.

Infinitesimal - Morphology (phenotype), is just a marker that says "I was here". It is interesting, until I smoke test. I'll keep what smokes right for me. All things being equal, quality/potency, I'll give preference to earliness and mold resistance. Appearance is dead last on my list. I wish I had smoke reports for you everyday. Perhaps next year.



ThaiBliss

 

[Infinitesimal]

Thanks Infinitesimal. The interesting part in all of this is the looping back to Acapulco Gold.

for sure, and just to clarify the difference between Soma's claim being that the Sour D was a direct Mexi/afghan cross (50% mexi) and the lineage ultimately leading back to Sam's skunk would be that by the time Pbud and Joe Brand were getting P's of the orignial Chem in colorado it would have been several generations removed even from the original work Sam ended up doing with the F1 cross before giving to whoever ended up growing that original Chem/Dog bud.

chem is often over used in breeding but it is one of my favorites

 

[idiit]

pbud was the source of the original deer creek concert bagseed known then as dogbud.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=293704&highlight=dogbud

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6749596#post6749596 post # 30

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=274815

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6666398#post6666398

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6634321#post6634321

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6377058#post6377058


fritzman has just released his preservation run of preservation dude's Acapulco gold. according to my inquiry with fritz these are not zamalitos nor dr. gt's ag. fritz is hot with ria and western union so I would only go cash. the entire transaction for me to be completed took a little over 1 month. pics. im my albums of the ag beans in their pkg.

preservation dude worked with big time names including dubi and kaiki. he was well respected. as to fritzman and his proper replication of preservation dude's beans.........

I've got dr gt's golden haze; Acapulco gold/phz. the phz pheno I've kept was awesome. the ag pheno was not super but she has not been run outdoors yet in properly amended soil which is a big deal. the soil down here will not turn out quality bud unless the soil is properly amended.

so, there are still possibilities that real deal ag is still available in seed form. just got to run 'em correctly to find out.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for the info Idiit.

I've posted this before, but Acapulco was THE early American port for shipments from Southeast Asia. It was the "Panama Canal" before the Panama Canal was built, or at least one of them. I know a Mexican national that grew up in a small town near Acapulco, and he told me about how the overland route that went from Acapulco to the Caribbean side of Mexico went through the town he grew up in. Trade then went on to Jamaica and all destinations north and south from there. What did sailors need besides rope for those long trips... ganja!! Hehe.

I'm starting to think about my idea of a smoke reports only thread. If Raco could give me permissions to delete all posts that are not smoke reports, I'd maintain it. The posts would have to be a detailed smoke report and pictures would be a plus. No reports like "it was good", or "I liked it". No congratulations, no comments from other posters unless they include their own report. That's what reps are for. All other posts will be deleted.

ThaiBliss

 

[Bob Green]

Beautiful I love the smoke report idea thread.

 

[MostlyMe]

I also like the idea of a smoke report thread, but it would be nice to establish some sort of template. I hate most templates that are around, too bureaucratic. I'd like something easy to read, something like this:

* Brief strain + grow information (in/outdoor, nutes, number of plants/phenos, etc)
* Picture
* Rating on a set of characteristics that together describe the experience
* An account in words, including a description of aroma.

The set of characteristics would require some discussion, because it's not easy to paint a complete picture. Perhaps a 5 point scale, like this:

Stone <-----> High
Relaxing <-----> Energetic
Flat <-----> Psychedelic
Foggy <-----> Clean/clear

I'm just brainstorming here, hopefully together we can come up with something good.