The Search for Trip Weed

[MostlyMe]

Smoke report for the Double Thai:

* Pheno #1+6: smell reminds me of smoke on your clothes when you've been at a campfire. There's some spice too. Soaring, mind-expanding, extremely spacious high along with a mildly unsettled feeling. Powerful experience. Mellows out undramatically though.

* Pheno #2: similar smell, but with a little more zing. Similar high also, but with more of a mild terror. I've wondered a lot if it is my imagination, but it seems consistently to be a darker high.

* Pheno #3: fruity aroma, maybe peach? Denser, more stony high. Less spacious also.

* Pheno #4: a dud. Not much of any aroma, weak, crappy muddy high.

I still like Double Jam better Both strains have a similar progression, going from a profound to a more relaxed place, but only Double Jam has the warmth I like so much. Even the best Double Thai (#1 and #6) is a little clinical for me, but one has to admire the seemingly boundless spacious experience. A cross between the two could IMO yield the ultimate trip weed.

 

[SapoVerde]

Ha as I was reading I was just thinking about asking if the dread felt cold & clinical to you until I scrolled down. I think I know what you mean, does it feel like something critical is going to happen every second now? I got that sometimes with Swazi.

The smell of the first two and pheno 2 is dead on like mine.

If you like extremely warm,happy,active but not rushy & clear highs I'd highly recommend getting your hands on some genuine Congolese.

 

[ThaiBliss]

MostlyMe - Thanks for the smoke report. I don't remember how long it has been since you harvested, but the character and potency may change after a good 6 - 9 month cure. I think I read somewhere that DJ Short will not even smoke weed that hasn't been in a jar curing for a year. I once had a quart jar in my freezer that I saved for special occasions and for visiting connoisseurs that I don't see often. It was my best stuff when it went in. I had that stuff for about two years. I pulled it out one day and it had turned gold on me. It did not get more potent, like I hear reports of, but I think it was a bit less edgy and more pure joy. It also looked like Colombian Gold that I got when I was a kid, and had fond memories of. It made me proud to be able to replicate that, even if it was an accident, and it may have contributed to the effect by somehow making the experience of the ritual of smoking it more special.

As beautiful as my recently harvested SAGE buds are, that stuff definitely gets better after a 9 month cure. As much as I long for something much more potent, I may never get rid of that cutting. It has too many good qualities, and has stood the test of time. SAGE, to me, is what Indica was to others as far as traits for breeding to tame more difficult to grow Sativas.

For what it's worth,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I could not be harvesting SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Thai any later as the ladies in waiting are bursting at the britches. I'm posting pictures before I chop and/or bend them to get them into the flowering cabinet. None have eliminated themselves due to showing confirmed male. If all are female, it will be too many for my small cabinet. If both Jamaicans are female (HA!), I may defer the Punto Rojo and Green Haze Panama for the next cycle.

Here is a group shot with a Jamaican in back left, Punto Rojo in back right, Green Haze x Panama in front left, and another Jamaican in front right. These plants are between 2 and 3 feet tall:

Here is a solo shot of Green Haze Panama. Notice that I am pulling a "Waldgeist" on the pot size during vegetation phase:

A close up of the Green Haze Panama Leaf:

Punto Rojo:

Punto Rojo Leaf Detail:

 

[_tessarecting]

What are you using for pots?

 

[ThaiBliss]

This is the taller Jamaican that looks like it has a Southeast Asian look to them. It reminds me of Vietnamese or those big elephant leaf Thais. They have a different look than the linear leaf bamboo look that the Thai Stick that I was getting when I was young, but still Southeast Asian non the less:

And a close up of the aforementioned leaf:

This is the other Jamaican. It has a different look to it. One of the males I found looks like this also:

Here is a leaf close up of this Jamaican:

That leaf above looks pretty fat, but the more mature branches have more Sativa looking leaves:

Happy Hunting,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Those are Deepots, used by the Forest Service for starting trees. They are about an inch and a half wide, and about 11 inches deep.

 

[JamieShoes]

The fat leaf jamaican.... did you notice the double serration (sharks tooth) I thought that was an indica/affie trait?... not sure, but just putting it out there if anyone knows for certain?

 

[MostlyMe]

I think I know what you mean, does it feel like something critical is going to happen every second now? I got that sometimes with Swazi.

Yeah, that's it. It's the kind of feeling you might get when walking alone in a dark alley.

If you like extremely warm,happy,active but not rushy & clear highs I'd highly recommend getting your hands on some genuine Congolese.

I am going to look for warmth in Mexicans strains first, I have Mextiza and Highland Mexican x Blueberry seeds. But I also have Tropical Seeds' Congo crosses that I will give a try. Bangi Haze keeps me satisfied until then

MostlyMe - Thanks for the smoke report. I don't remember how long it has been since you harvested, but the character and potency may change after a good 6 - 9 month cure. I think I read somewhere that DJ Short will not even smoke weed that hasn't been in a jar curing for a year. I once had a quart jar in my freezer that I saved for special occasions and for visiting connoisseurs that I don't see often. It was my best stuff when it went in. I had that stuff for about two years. I pulled it out one day and it had turned gold on me. It did not get more potent, like I hear reports of, but I think it was a bit less edgy and more pure joy. It also looked like Colombian Gold that I got when I was a kid, and had fond memories of. It made me proud to be able to replicate that, even if it was an accident, and it may have contributed to the effect by somehow making the experience of the ritual of smoking it more special.

As beautiful as my recently harvested SAGE buds are, that stuff definitely gets better after a 9 month cure. As much as I long for something much more potent, I may never get rid of that cutting. It has too many good qualities, and has stood the test of time. SAGE, to me, is what Indica was to others as far as traits for breeding to tame more difficult to grow Sativas.

For what it's worth,

ThaiBliss

Yes, it's only been 6-7 weeks. I look forward to smoking all my recent harvests after a long cure.

 

[bringyalungs]

Those are Deepots, used by the Forest Service for starting trees. They are about an inch and a half wide, and about 11 inches deep.

love it.. cause that shit sure look like u bout to grow a tree... what soil do you use... they look really good for soil in that pot... deepot... how old, what's you using for your sun?

 

[Huesos]

Looking Righteous! All the best!

 

[Dirtboy808]

Nice looking plants TB Aloha DB

 

[Waldgeist]

Greetings,


Punto Rojo:


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Punto Rojo Leaf Detail:


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wow TB! i like this one very much

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for the positive vibes folks.

JaimeShoes - I don't know, I think I have seen the saw-tooth serrations as much in Sativa Leaning strains as Indica strains. Maybe it just stands out more in skinny leaf strains. It was in the freaky Neville's Haze pheno that was the best I ever smoked. I thought it was a Mexican Acapulco trait. I don't think there are any pure Sativa or pure Indica. In my opinion, it is all one species with a full spectrum of varieties, and that is certainly how it is being used for practical purposes. I categorize it that way myself though, for communication of where on the spectrum that the plant displays traits. It is the effects that I care about first, and early flowering second.

Mesophere - Those plants are probably between 2 and 3 months old. You can go back and look at my posts in this thread if you want to find out for sure. I use this thread to document. I use a mixture of pearlite and vermiculite for starts, then I go to hydroton for flowering. I do hydroponic, using a combination of what people would call "chemical" fertilizer and compost tea, both in extremely light doses. Compost tea might not be the correct term since I only use compost in it for my outdoor grows. Is there such a tea as bacteria tea? I don't want to bring pests into the indoor cabinet. I use many of the other ingredients that others use, minus the compost.

You should be asking Waldgeist, since he is the master. He flowers and matures his plants in small pots the whole time. I cannot manage to do that. I move them into bigger pots when they go into the flowering cabinet. I keep them small for space concerns, and I believe it helps to get them to show gender a bit earlier than they normally would, except for those pesky Jamaicans. LOL.

ThaiBliss

 

[JamieShoes]

Cool, as I say, I wasn't a 100% sure either way, it's just something I'd noticed... In fact the most I've ever seen it was on UK Cheese which is actually Sk1 (said to be made with Acapulco Gold, so what you say seems to hold weight )

 

[red rider]

A Thai Story

A Thai Story

Hi Thaibliss, here's the Thai trip story I mentioned before.

In the late 70s I was living between South Florida and DFW. During the summer of 78 or 79 I can’t remember but I went to a big concert in the cotton bowl called the Texas jam in Fort Worth Texas. There were lots of big bands like Heart and Van Halen and many more big name bands from the time. I went with 3 of my running buddies and we all rode together in one guys car (69 Camaro). It was hotter than fire that day but I never wore shorts then, like my partners I was jeans and t-shirt with flip flops. We had went in on a variety of drugs for the event, two “lids” of different Colombians (mersh) a big bag of Mexican brick, four ludes (lemon boots) a handful of black beauties and a sheet of plain white blotter (100). Of course we were also drinking unlimited amounts of ice cold Coors beer (Colorado Kool-Aid). We got to the cotton bowel early in the morning and filtered in to the stadium with the massive crowd of rockers. All I was carrying was a lid of the lumbo and a few hits of speed and my lude which I was saving for when the show started. It was great with so many cool people and the air was charged with excitement. General admission meant we could push right up to the stage, so we didn’t even look for seats. The first band played and I was rolling joints and passing joints, I took the lude and started rocking with my buddies. Then it got hot, I mean people passing out right and left hot so they opened these huge water cannons on the crowd. I happened to be standing close to one of these cannons and somehow got blown into a whole different crowd of people losing my buddies. I didn’t care and kept on rocking and smoking with the new folks I found myself with. There was this chick that was like really cool that started giving me bumps of coke when she thought no one was looking. At that point in my life I’d smoked Thai stick once or twice before and knew how strong it was but I wasn’t ready for what this girl had. She asked me if I wanted to smoke some really good weed and I showed her my big bag of brownish gold Colombian but she said hers was better. Then she produced a little pin joint saying only to pass it to her. I asked what it was and she just said Thai, not Thai stick or anything special, I took a hit and it tasted similar to the Thai I’d had before. I was very messed up when she lite the joint with the lude and the other weed in full effect. But after two hits off the pin joint I could feel it, the joint was cutting through everything and I was higher than ever. The effect was intense and coming on stronger and stronger, I started getting paranoid. I had no idea what could have been in that joint but I started thinking maybe she poisoned me or something. I started freaking out and there were still a lot of bands left to play be she wanted to take me out to their van to mello out a bit. She kept telling me it was only weed but I’d never had weed like that before. So the girl and I pushed our way out of the crowded stadium out to the parking lot to her or someone’s VW van, that was lucky parked in some shade although it was starting to get dark (9PM). We got in the hot van and lay down in the back with all the doors and windows open and she starts rolling another joint of her Thai. She showed it to me to prove that it was just weed and it looked like scraggly grayish green seeded buds (small). The girl told me a friend of hers got it from a guy from California. We lay in the back of that van and smoked it. Lying on my back I was staring at all these patterns and designs someone had painted on the celling of the van. I was starting to hallucinate with my eyes open watching the patterns move around and morph in to different shapes. My body felt like I was floating and the sound coming from the concert was distorted, fading in and out. The girl started talking very sweet to me while kissing my cheek and neck. I couldn’t move and pretended to be passed out. She unbuttoned my jeans and for the first time in my life I was the recipient of oral sex. Although I had nothing to compare it to, this girl was a master, I mean really getting into it. Within seconds of completion there were some other people getting into the van as I guess the concert was over and next thing I know we are on the road heading to god knows where. I ended up spending a few days with this beautiful weird girl. When we parted she gave me one tiny bud of that unreal Thai weed that I took home and shared with my buddies and tripped with them (no bjs though). That Thai weed was indeed the definition of “trip” weed for me.

red rider

 

[Madjag]

That's what I'm talking about Red! Though the era and setting had a lot to do with your high, let's just say that you know it was legendary even compared to today.

Perhaps the ultimate trip weed is mobile through time and doesn't exist in just one year or decade......perhaps it mutates and affects only those that need a strong enough glimpse of the Cannabis God to perpetuate the myth, to insure the history, to make real the power.

Though I met my ultimate trip weed in 1972 I know that there are others out there at this very minute experiencing theirs. Thanks for sharing your slice of Sacred Herb nirvana.

 

[Madjag]

In 1969-1970 we had great black hash oil in the west. I lived in Denver at the time and smoked 2, maybe 3 hits of the oil on some peppermint leaves rolled up into a joint....no weed of course, just oil. It was the first time that I actually hallucinated on something from the cannabis world.

Still to this day, though I've smoked an amazing array of weed over the years, that oil was beyond even the Temple Ball hash from India that the sincere hash lovers/smugglers that I knew had brought home....so potent that it even made some peeps puke....spinning, spinning, uh, oh, no sense of gravity, no balance...............nighty, night....

That first time with the oil on peppermint I was sitting alone in a kitchen listening to a parrot in a cage and thought it was talking to me.....I could understand what he was saying.....I was hitchhiking from Denver to Chicago in the winter and some nice hippies near Omaha picked me up and saved me a painful night at a truckstop or worse, alongside the wintery road in the dark. I had my Holubar sleeping bag and Ensolite ground pad so I was ready for the cold, but these kids were my saviors that night.

Still, on acid in 1969 I wrote down the Secret of the Universe in my journal. I have it today and read it occasionally. Though I recorded in my journal as the Big Secret, it says nothing. Cannabis is kinder because you can remember what you truly felt.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for sharing those stories guys. I love hearing about people doing all kinds of substances and still having the Thai stand out enough to be memorable. It certainly does cut through anything.

I have drunk too much, overdosed on psilocybin mushrooms, zoned out for hours on a couch amongst a crowd of people in a party, all too many times. I've smoked an ounce of mediocre weed with a few friends out of a 5 gallon hookah, and burned through joints of high grade Colombian that paralyzed my body and allowed me to float free of it, but I cannot imagine smoking joints of Thai. I love lots of different strains of weed, but something about that Thai Stick, and later a few batches of loose Thai, just hit me right and made it a spiritual mind expanding experience for me. I treasured it, and carefully titrated it to get me to that special place of enhanced reality. Three hits was a rocket ship ride of adrenaline towards a higher orbit of thought and awareness, shifting to a euphoric parachute ride, floating slowly back towards the inevitable sea level of mundane thought at the end of a 6 hour period of highly warped time. I never had the desire to do more. Why attempt to go beyond perfection? I thought it was too rare, expensive, and terrifying (in a good way). I would take perfectly measured hits without letting a wisp of smoke escape. To do so would bring shame on me or my friends. Precious Thai!

Then again... I'm so full of shit! I just remembered smoking a half joint with a friend on the drive home from a football game in San Francisco. I didn't want to carry a pipe. It was evening, just after the sun went down. I remember clutching the steering wheel feeling the excelleration, holding on to dear life, and feeling on the very edge of control. I must have felt a tighter grip would save me, or at least hold me in my seat. The road wound back and forth up the hill, towards the stars, and all the lights of traffic appeared to be a snake-like maze in a video game that I must plow through or risk falling off a cliff into the dark. I felt like mere mechanical motions were useless, and it was sheer will that was navigating me through the traffic while preventing me from colliding head long into the lights that were amazing and blinding me at the same time. As always with Thai, I could have used a good pair of sun glasses. That stuff was thrilling!

ThaiBliss

 

[red rider]

I missed most of the Thai sticks/weed because where I lived in Texas and the people I knew. We were lucky to get so much good Colombian and Mexican, Thai, Hawaiian and hashish/oils were rarities. I never saw "pretty Thai weed, although it was semi seedless, the buds were wispy and not really colorful. It had a distinct taste and smell but couldn't say it was nice like the Hawaiian but it was hands down the most powerful to the point some respectfully feared it. Also all the Thai, Hawaiian and the best Mexican I had during that time was from California where the folks know how to get high. However strange it is the best export Colombian I ever had was in Montreal(78) and second best Colombian was a redbud from once again California.

red rider