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The Search for Trip Weed
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Yes the Colombian Crippa (crippy), I wish I had a definite answer for you on that because I see it all the time. The crippa I encounter in Bogota is not a strain but a type of cannabis. It is always high quality seedless, outdoor (of course) and is prevalent. The best crippa according to my friends at the university is grown near Cali (Colombia) and is from imported seed. But we get crippa from many regions and it varies from pure indica like buds with a super narcotic effect to fruity bright green hybrids. Some crippa is especially good like premium pure Colombians and maybe it is. This crippa is nothing new here; it’s been around for over 20 years and is the weed of choice by Colombian smokers. The smokers here that I know are young like 20-25 and they are just like young people anywhere now, they want the mind numbing loud dank everyone else in the world has. They don’t want the old Colombians no matter how great they were, they want to forget the past and live in the future, I can’t blame them. From my perspective the 70s were the best time but I wasn’t living in Colombia and the seventies must have been really bad here. So I don’t push the issue with my friends but my thoughts are very different from theirs. Crippa also cost more than any other weed here making it expensive by Colombian standards at 5,000 pesos a gram retail.
red rider
....better quality... I'm sure a few would disagree 
Hi and yes I read that about GMO cannabis in Colombia but there is no such a thing. It's just hybridized cannabis like everyone else grows only this is grown outdoors at altitude and neat the equator. It is good but not as good as really good indoor but along that same line. I get bored with it really quick and most crippa looks different but has the same effect. But to the best of my knowledge there is no such a thing as GMO cannabis.
red rider
red rider
Most every time you buy a feminized seed, you are buying a GMO seed.
BC Seeds and several other breeders even boast the GMO, as do several other breeders.
http://bcseeds.com/genetically-modified-c-15.html
Most people don't know what GMO means. They just hate it because Monsanto does it. LOL
BC Seeds and several other breeders even boast the GMO, as do several other breeders.
http://bcseeds.com/genetically-modified-c-15.html
Most people don't know what GMO means. They just hate it because Monsanto does it. LOL
Royal Queen is another one. Many do it...
http://www.royalqueenseeds.com/33-feminized-cannabis-seeds
http://www.royalqueenseeds.com/33-feminized-cannabis-seeds
WildstarGuy
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By the definition of "genetically modified", ALL cannabis is GMO. The act of hybridization or selective breeding in and of itself is genetic modification.
"GMO" gets a bad name not for most genetic modifications but for for transgenic modifications, meaning DNA is altered to produce desired effects.
I guarantee you, neither BC Seeds nor Royal Queen have engaged in transgenic gene splicing. Both have utilized chemicals to inhibit ethylene biosynthesis in order to force the genetically female plants to produce male sexual expression.
There is very little of what is considered "genetic modification" in what they are doing beyond attempting to produce a desired genome that already exists within the subject parent plants.
"GMO" gets a bad name not for most genetic modifications but for for transgenic modifications, meaning DNA is altered to produce desired effects.
I guarantee you, neither BC Seeds nor Royal Queen have engaged in transgenic gene splicing. Both have utilized chemicals to inhibit ethylene biosynthesis in order to force the genetically female plants to produce male sexual expression.
There is very little of what is considered "genetic modification" in what they are doing beyond attempting to produce a desired genome that already exists within the subject parent plants.
Adze
Member
Hybridization or selective breeding is not Genetic engineering
Hybridization or selective breeding is not Genetic engineering
"Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology. New DNA may be inserted in the host genome by first isolating and copying the genetic material of interest using molecular cloning methods to generate a DNA sequence, or by synthesizing the DNA, and then inserting this construct into the host organism."
No form of regular breeding creates GMOs.
Hybridization or selective breeding is not Genetic engineering
"Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genome using biotechnology. New DNA may be inserted in the host genome by first isolating and copying the genetic material of interest using molecular cloning methods to generate a DNA sequence, or by synthesizing the DNA, and then inserting this construct into the host organism."
No form of regular breeding creates GMOs.
I agree. Don't let Monsanto or it's cronies confuse... Breeding is manipulation of genes of a population slowly over time by the selection of the parents of these future generations using phenotype or chemotype testing, even if it simple as eyeballing the prospective parent. This is absolutely not the same as inserting genes, on the cellular level, from other species, or even the same species.
WildstarGuy
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From the same Wikipedia article:
"Humans have altered the genomes of species for thousands of years through selective breeding, or artificial selection as contrasted with natural selection, and more recently through mutagenesis."
This is why Monsanto and other corporations are able to block a requirement for labels on GMO in most cases because technically, all agriculture is based upon genetic modification, albeit through selective breeding.
This is why when discussing the issue I am careful to use the terminology "transgenic modification". It's more specific and gets to the heart of the issue without encountering the arguments of definition.
I guarantee you, no seedbanks are engaged in transgenic modification at this time, although I would not put it past Monsanto or others to have cannabis in labs in order to perform transgenic modifications so they can patent the resulting strains.
Well I really know very little if anything about GMOs, but I seriously doubt there is any here. Colombia just like the rest of the world is connected to the globe. And just like in Mexico, Thailand and Africa hybridization has spread. Humans want thick frosty flowers and it’s no secret how to get seeds. I feel very confident that the crippa in Colombia is just hybrid plants grown here. I am also confident that there are still pure strains being cultivated here but they are becoming rare (more so). I really think Thai when referring to trip weed but I’ve had some Colombians and Mexican that fit the bill pretty well also.
Trippy Colombian Gold 05
red rider
Trippy Colombian Gold 05
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WildstarGuy
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The Columbian Gold I had back in the mid 70s was definitely some trippy weed.
Here are some pictures of recent acquisitions.
Maui:
Sour Diesel:
Green Haze x Panama:
Maui - This cutting looks like it is coming out of a flowering event, and it is hard to get a handle on how it will look. I thought I'd grab a picture before I cut it back or take a cutting of this cut so I can plant it in one of my cutting racks. It does not have much aroma when I rub the stem. It smells mostly sweet, and perhaps a touch piney or spicy. I was concerned that this cutting might be a Maui x Indica of some sort, but I think that this is one of my most lanky strains.
Sour Diesel - I have never tried this famous strain. I was surprised how narrow the leaves are. It also has a distinct serration upon serration leaf style. It reminds me of the freaky Neville's Haze I once had, that I believe leaned towards the Thai Mexican part of it's heritage. Can anyone confirm for me that this is what Sour Diesel is supposed to look like?
Green Haze x Panama Elite - This is from some seeds gifted to me by Dubi of ACE Seeds. I believe it is one of his more recent projects. In my opinion it is a beautiful plant, with a touch of Indica to give it relatively fat leaves and short internode length. The aroma is outstanding! It has the most Central/South American old school aroma in my collection. I recently smoked some Johnny Blaze that had this aroma. I got a cut of Johnny Blaze, but it did not survive my treatment of it. The Johnny Blaze had a cedar woody hashy/spicey flavor that made me say "Whoa!" and start grinning. This Green Haze x Panama smells like that also, but more balsm wood like, and more pure spicy. I have been beating the shit out of this wonderful plant by rubbing the stem several times a day. I cannot get enough of this aroma that haunts me all day. I seem to get flashbacks of the aroma in my mind throughout the day. I LOVE the smell of this plant. It may have the best aroma of any plant I have, and I have some others that I absolutely love. I love the aromas of my SAGE, SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, and Jamaican Ganja (60's Lambsbread). This Green Haze x Panama is making a place for itself amongst special company. I hope it winds up smoking as good as the others.
ThaiBliss
Maui:
Sour Diesel:
Green Haze x Panama:
Maui - This cutting looks like it is coming out of a flowering event, and it is hard to get a handle on how it will look. I thought I'd grab a picture before I cut it back or take a cutting of this cut so I can plant it in one of my cutting racks. It does not have much aroma when I rub the stem. It smells mostly sweet, and perhaps a touch piney or spicy. I was concerned that this cutting might be a Maui x Indica of some sort, but I think that this is one of my most lanky strains.
Sour Diesel - I have never tried this famous strain. I was surprised how narrow the leaves are. It also has a distinct serration upon serration leaf style. It reminds me of the freaky Neville's Haze I once had, that I believe leaned towards the Thai Mexican part of it's heritage. Can anyone confirm for me that this is what Sour Diesel is supposed to look like?
Green Haze x Panama Elite - This is from some seeds gifted to me by Dubi of ACE Seeds. I believe it is one of his more recent projects. In my opinion it is a beautiful plant, with a touch of Indica to give it relatively fat leaves and short internode length. The aroma is outstanding! It has the most Central/South American old school aroma in my collection. I recently smoked some Johnny Blaze that had this aroma. I got a cut of Johnny Blaze, but it did not survive my treatment of it. The Johnny Blaze had a cedar woody hashy/spicey flavor that made me say "Whoa!" and start grinning. This Green Haze x Panama smells like that also, but more balsm wood like, and more pure spicy. I have been beating the shit out of this wonderful plant by rubbing the stem several times a day. I cannot get enough of this aroma that haunts me all day. I seem to get flashbacks of the aroma in my mind throughout the day. I LOVE the smell of this plant. It may have the best aroma of any plant I have, and I have some others that I absolutely love. I love the aromas of my SAGE, SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, and Jamaican Ganja (60's Lambsbread). This Green Haze x Panama is making a place for itself amongst special company. I hope it winds up smoking as good as the others.
ThaiBliss
Thaibliss
Nice acquisitions
That Maui looks special atm I'm diggin the structure . What's her story private source or available seeds ?
That SD don't look official from here ,but I'm far from the expert . The official is very distinct in look and smoke grade A but not trippy IMO. There are many labeled cuts but her look is very distinct and as you said this one is To narrow .we'll have a better idea when she flowers out
Nice grab on the GH x pan that should hold some incense trippy type smoke
How is the Punto Rojo lookin if I recall you had 1 or 2 goin ?
Best wishes
1luvbigherb
Nice acquisitions
That Maui looks special atm I'm diggin the structure . What's her story private source or available seeds ?
That SD don't look official from here ,but I'm far from the expert . The official is very distinct in look and smoke grade A but not trippy IMO. There are many labeled cuts but her look is very distinct and as you said this one is To narrow .we'll have a better idea when she flowers out
Nice grab on the GH x pan that should hold some incense trippy type smoke
How is the Punto Rojo lookin if I recall you had 1 or 2 goin ?
Best wishes
1luvbigherb
Hi BigHerb,
I'm happy to get that Maui. It is far too early to tell, plants do some weird stuff when coming out of flowering, but this cutting is far lankier than most of the pictures of Maui Wowie that I have seen posted, most of which look half, or more, Indica, to me.
I got this from a local source that sells cuttings and grows for medical patients around here. I've spoken with the guy a number of times, expressing my desire for strains without couch-lock, cerebral, energetic, and that are more like Thai Stick of the old days. He is an older guy like me, from California, and has very fond memories of Lemon Thai, and especially of a very piney flavored unnamed Mexican he once had. I'm reflecting his emphasis here. He repeated "piney", with emphasis, a number of times. He directed me towards the Maui he just acquired. This guy has lots of strains.
I mentioned to that same guy I've been getting all these cuts from, and he said that the S.D. plant can look very narrow leaved at some stages. I am noticing that the stem is very solid, and the internodes are very short.
To me, the Colombians I got were not the best examples of what I think of as trippy, but I have fond memories of some very strong dreamy floaty narcotic smoke, but without the couch-lock, that was very enjoyable and very much missed. The aroma if the Green Haze x Panama is sparking memories that are making me ache to try it.
Speaking of aching to try, I have one Punto Rojo, two Jamaicans, and the Green Haze x Panama that are waiting for the SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Thai that are a week or three from getting done. The Punto Rojo has more of a pure spicy, slightly sweet (honey) aroma compared to the Green Haze x Panama. At this point, I do not detect any of the woodiness that is so apparent in the GH x P. None of these are showing gender yet, and it would not be bad if the current plants finish up longer than I think. I would like the ones in waiting to get fully mature and show their gender.
The Jamaicans are what I really want to be female. The very old Jamaican Ganja are the ones that I remember as full on trippy, like Thai Stick. This is my third attempt at finding a Jamaican female. The universe is keeping me in suspense.
This flowering batch is an interesting experiment for me. The SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is behaving very strangely. I over did the nitrogen by a lot, compare to my usual dosing. It made the structure of both SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Thai become very much less compact, more wispy, and much more leafy. While the SAGE looks nearly on tract to the ripening date, the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai looks very much delayed. I do think the first time I grew it I might have harvested a bit early at nine weeks. SAGE gets done at about 12 weeks. Because of the extra nitrogen, the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai looks like it is going to be ready later than the SAGE this time. It has much more fresh pistils at this point. However, the resins on SAGE x Purple Haze Thai look more mature because of the greater percentage of cloudy resin glands. This is crazy that the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is going to be a full one third longer ripening time, and the pure SAGE looks virtually unaffected in it's ripening period. Every strain is unique, and getting it dialed in for any particular strain can take quite a bit of time.
I doubt that SAGE will be improved, due to the leafier buds, but it may be possible that this batch of SAGE x Purple Haze Thai may show improved potency due to the much longer maturation period. I always have hope, even if it looks like I screwed up. This cycle's screw up might be less than the first cycle's screw up with regards to the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai. I'm a glass half full AND glass half empty type of guy. LOL
Thanks Herb, always great to hear from you.
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - A
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - A
Looks like Mexican Red Hair! Can't wait for smoke reports.
Destroyer x Highland Mexican - DS x HMBB - A ~"Red Hair - 11 finger"
could be Mexican Red Hair dominate from Cannabiogen's original 1960's Mexican / Colombian father used in Destroyer. I noted and compared the high of the second (B) Destroyer mother which is Highland Thailand dominate and my favorite Destroyer high. I'll have to compare the first Destroyer used to make DS x HMBB -A ~ "Red Hair - 11 -finger".
Destroyer mother -A
"Red Hair - 11 finger" early flowering
"Red hair - 11 -finger" leaf
"Red Hair - 11 finger" clone
"Red Hair - 11 - finger"
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - A
Looks like Mexican Red Hair! Can't wait for smoke reports.
Destroyer x Highland Mexican - DS x HMBB - A ~"Red Hair - 11 finger"
could be Mexican Red Hair dominate from Cannabiogen's original 1960's Mexican / Colombian father used in Destroyer. I noted and compared the high of the second (B) Destroyer mother which is Highland Thailand dominate and my favorite Destroyer high. I'll have to compare the first Destroyer used to make DS x HMBB -A ~ "Red Hair - 11 -finger".
Destroyer mother -A
"Red Hair - 11 finger" early flowering
"Red hair - 11 -finger" leaf
"Red Hair - 11 finger" clone
"Red Hair - 11 - finger"
Gypsy N. Thai Stick Update
Gypsy N. Thai Stick Update
Hey gang, I wanted to provide you guys an update on Thai Stick B @ Day 25 flowering. Also known as her last day allowed to live. She exhibited some balls on her this second time around, so it was time to bring her down. Please join me for a moment of silence.......
She looked like this only 25 days ago, with such a bright future in sight..
Here she was only moments ago enjoying the limelight in front of the camera,
Here she lies along side the clone of her. If anyone gives me grief over over lie or lay crap, Im gonna punch you in the face. You understand what I mean whether I used the right word or not.
Its a shame really that she would be the one Id have to cull. She was the faster flowering of the two, and by far had the more appealing bud structure. Too bad I couldn't take this one to ripen. Im not going to risk seeds again. I narrowly avoided disaster last harvest. Im sure she's in plant heaven enjoying all the sunshine she can handle right now.
With her gone, I suppose I could start some more seeds of this line I have leftover..Fun times ahead. I love popping seeds so much. I can't wait.
Gypsy N. Thai Stick Update
Hey gang, I wanted to provide you guys an update on Thai Stick B @ Day 25 flowering. Also known as her last day allowed to live. She exhibited some balls on her this second time around, so it was time to bring her down. Please join me for a moment of silence.......
She looked like this only 25 days ago, with such a bright future in sight..
Here she was only moments ago enjoying the limelight in front of the camera,
Here she lies along side the clone of her. If anyone gives me grief over over lie or lay crap, Im gonna punch you in the face. You understand what I mean whether I used the right word or not.
Its a shame really that she would be the one Id have to cull. She was the faster flowering of the two, and by far had the more appealing bud structure. Too bad I couldn't take this one to ripen. Im not going to risk seeds again. I narrowly avoided disaster last harvest. Im sure she's in plant heaven enjoying all the sunshine she can handle right now.
With her gone, I suppose I could start some more seeds of this line I have leftover..Fun times ahead. I love popping seeds so much. I can't wait.
