The Search for Trip Weed

[Dave Coulier]

4 different answers huh? My post must have been thought provoking for you . Im glad we can have a civil discussion here. Talking to some people here about their grow habits is like pulling the pin on a live grenade. Watch out.

Its a shame we aren't able to share our crops. If could try some of your non-fertilized ladies, and you could try some of my well-fed ladies. Itd be nice to see the difference.

Im curious about your feeding regime during veg. Are you doing any feeding then?

I wrote 4 different answers to your post. Then deleted them.

Here is what I will say. You may be right, and I'm likely to grow it again. We'll see what I do about the feed, depending on the results. But, there is nothing that is clear to me, until I have experienced it first hand. Personally, I have never seen any correlation between healthy green plants and good smoke, but I have seen the contrary again and again.

If I could summarize what I think are the three most important and simplified tips to growing good weed:

1.) Use good genetics.

2.) Learn when it is ripe, which can be different for different strains.

3.) Don't fertilize it... period.

Of course, it is more complicated than that.

Here is a link to a thread that debates this subject. You will find lots of people who agree with you there, and my arguments against their notions.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=232789&page=22

Thanks for posting. It is a shame this stuff is so taboo. The obvious answer, is to invite you to the smoking.


ThaiBliss

 

[mr. gt]

wow TB, looks great. I have a lot of catching up to do. I hope you found the best trip weed by now! : p

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Sourpuss,

Truth is... the last time I grew anything world class was about 10 years ago. I have found some as potent as the hybrids, but with a much better high. Nothing phenomenal with regards to potency yet, but I have some good prospects to test.

Waldgeist - For the first 18 or 19 weeks, I have been running at about 11.5 daylight and 12.5 dark. About a week ago I changed it to about 11 day and 13 dark. If anything, it coincides with higher resin production AND a new flush of fresh pistils. Ha!


I was mentioning to another member who sent me a private message, that the buds are starting to look like they are covered in a fine powder. They are looking a bit fossilized, or like they came from Pompeii after the eruption. They are looking better than they ever had so far. I'm happy, and not changing a thing right now while it is looking so good to me. I'm not alarmed, I'm thrilled.

If it turns out crappy, and can grow another and use a touch more nitrogen, since this is supposed to be a strong strain. I think I can prevent seeing the red and that yellowish color by promoting a bit more green chlorophyll.

Dave - The pin got pulled, but I was able to replace it with a shaky hand.


But honestly, the thread was just lying idle and dying. These recent posts are livening it up significantly for me. Thanks for taking the interest. I'm gratified that you care enough to want to mention your concerns, and challenge my techniques.

I always give the plants a head of steam going into flowering, when I fertilize at about 4 times higher dosage than I am currently. I think this is still less than most people. The plants do a serious growth spurt when the light gets turned down, and I don't try to stop them. But I bend the crap out of them to keep them contained in the small cabinet.

Mr. GT - Thanks for stopping by again. I've had some small incremental gains in what I'm holding, but no big breakthroughs as of yet. What have you been working on? Every time I see your name, I think of the muscle car or a strain called the Golden Goat.

ThaiBliss

 

[mr. gt]

Haha.
My name must remain a mystery.


Unfortunately I cant grow again until around April. I'm working on gathering seeds until than. I'm working on the link in my Sig.

I have been in other threads also looking for the ultimate trip weed. I know I've smoked something like it back in '07. I was in the back of my friends car and was looking out the window thinking... 'why does everything look like cartoons?'


I did grow out Barney's LSD back when it first came out. I cut it maybe... 3 weeks early due to security. Well my friend and I hollowed out a cigar and stuffed a cigar with 17 grams of it and I do have to say we got through about 1/4 or 1/3rd of it and it was one of my best smoke sessions I ever had. His whole back yard had a cloud of smoke that wouldn't leave. We were so tripped out that my friend couldn't understand me and it definitely felt like we were on mushrooms. He said he thought I was talking Chinese and wasn't kidding. We kind of just sat there and couldn't move temporarily. But it wasn't like a cartoon? Too many questions...


So far I have been researching some landraces. I have to look back, but I think Ace may have some that could be actually trippy. I am going to be pheno searching some Tom's Haze.


~mr. gt

 

[mr. gt]

just posted in Bog's thread - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=15918&page=66


"Soma's New York City Diesel is a sativa sided plant that has an unusual high. It reminds me of a mild shroom trip.

LSD was named just for the Lifesaver x Diesel cross but it also retained the shroom trippy high.

It's a super good yielder and a lot of people love the soaring sativa high. " BOG

 

[idiit]

^ great posts, great thread.

tb uses a lot of nutrients garnered from the sea in his grows. i think this is one reason his plants are usually so beautiful; sea ferts are fully chelated. nutrients need to be chelated before they are available to our "green pets". it's my understanding (bw will hopefully correct me if i'm wrong here) that bushweed grows in an ancient volcanic basin area. most of us all know the benefits of fully chelated volcanic rock dust (chelated trace minerals). ormus is found in heavy concentrations in sea derived nutrients and ormus is found in heavy concentrations in volcanic rock dst. terra preta/carbon has been described as condominiums for ormus:

Char's empty space is condominium housing for soil

^^ http://www.carbon-negative.us/CarbonFarming/CarbonFarming.pdf

i follow william albrecht's theory re cal/mg. link

^ the illustrious mr. coot (Clackamas Coot) does as well as many other organic growers. the most important and primary nutrient is the cal/mg ratios.

proper nutrition is vital to top quality and top yields imo.

some soils need very little nutrient addition. they just need proper ph, chelated trace mineral and lots and lots of proper cal/mg. albecht is a must read imo. the importance of ormus and carbon are now becoming main stream.

 

[MostlyMe]

Love your pictures, TB. And I'm glad you managed to contain your temper towards mr. gt, because I know very well how you can lash out

I don't know if you grow organically, but as you know it is hard to overfertilize with organics. Kind of like the plants takes what it needs. How does that fit in with your philosophy?

So I am bit ashamed to follow that insane GNTx.... but here is my Destroyer:

It got horizontalized recently because the height difference with the other plants was getting too big. It is still surprisingly small though. I wanted smallish plants, but not this small... it's as if I started with 12/12 from seed and those 2 weeks at 16/8 didn't make any difference whatsoever. I did get nice internode lengths this time around though, so the effective height is a little better.

 

[better bud]

google big head seeds they have the cartoon,that you are looking for,they may be on the bay but i have not been able to find them there,i have par-took of that same strain in 87' and it was so good!

 

[mr. gt]

google big head seeds they have the cartoon,that you are looking for,they may be on the bay but i have not been able to find them there,i have par-took of that same strain in 87' and it was so good!

Which strain are you talking about? The description of Headstone is:

The Amnesia element of this Bighead cross makes for the daftest, funniest, cartoon-esque experience. Solid buds with fragrant resin. Do not sign any contracts or operate machinery. Flying blind on a rocket cycle is highly recommended.


Sorry to thread jack TB


~mr. gt

 

[Dave Coulier]

Lovely looking pic Mostlyme. Thanks for posting. With regards to organics/over-fertilizing, while it may be harder to over-feed, it is possible to over do it if fed organic nutrients in excess. Blood meal, and Fish emulsion if applied in excess will cause 'nute-burn' just as easily as synthetic nutrients. Even using too much EWC in your potting media can be detrimental to plant health.

I look forward to seeing more of the Destroyer in the future. That variety definitely interests me.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Dave - The pin got pulled, but I was able to replace it with a shaky hand.


But honestly, the thread was just lying idle and dying. These recent posts are livening it up significantly for me. Thanks for taking the interest. I'm gratified that you care enough to want to mention your concerns, and challenge my techniques.

I always give the plants a head of steam going into flowering, when I fertilize at about 4 times higher dosage than I am currently. I think this is still less than most people. The plants do a serious growth spurt when the light gets turned down, and I don't try to stop them. But I bend the crap out of them to keep them contained in the small cabinet.
ThaiBliss

Im glad no one had to belly flop on a grenade to save us all.

It pleases me to know your happy to have this discourse. A thread without reader interaction is a dying one like you mentioned. I know its a challenge to keep your thread updated with pics and updates, but its the interaction with your readers that makes it all worth it. Even if some of those interactions may initially be dicey.

Its good you give them a good head of steam going into flowering. They can develop an increased appetite at that time.

All this back and forth has motivated me to pop a few seeds Ive been itching to do. I want to see how I can do with a long flowering Thai myself. If Im gonna challenge your growth methods, I may as well grow some Thai myself. Put up or shut up. Ive got a pack of GN Thai Stick Ive had sitting in my freezer/fridge for 2 years now. I think ill pop a few in a week and go from there. You may even see a pic or two pop up from time to time in here.

 

[ThaiBliss]

All this back and forth has motivated me to pop a few seeds Ive been itching to do. I want to see how I can do with a long flowering Thai myself. If Im gonna challenge your growth methods, I may as well grow some Thai myself. Put up or shut up. Ive got a pack of GN Thai Stick Ive had sitting in my freezer/fridge for 2 years now. I think ill pop a few in a week and go from there. You may even see a pic or two pop up from time to time in here.

All right Dave! Right on! I love it. Unless you want to do your own grow diary, please make this thread your grow diary.

Just so you know, one of my favorite threads is The Revival of the Ultimate Sativa thread. My only disappointment with that thread is that it leans towards more of a show off of pictures, though truth be told, seeing those pictures is probably the reason that I became a member here. I hope for some lively discussion as well as a place to post pictures, and combine it with my desire to find the kind of trippy weed that I used to find more common years ago. Bottom line is that I would be most grateful if you posted pictures and discussion of your trials, tribulations, and successes of your ambitious endeavor. In case you haven't noticed, I love Thai weed.

Mr. GT - You are not hijacking. Again, this is the reason for this thread. I started another thread that is actually the precursor to this one, Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed. A fellow that seems to be on the same track, rescued it from oblivion, just as each poster does. He has spent a lot of time on it and I'm pleased as punch. I only regret that he does not post half as often here, since how he grows and the strains he grows would make this thread improve also.

Yes Waldgeist, I'm talking about you. How about hitting us with a picture of the wicked looking Ghana you've been growing? You know I love the skinny leaf! Charlie described it by saying something to the effect that it made him feel like a kid again. If I find weed that makes this old man feel young again, I'm going to check that off as quite a trippy effect.

I agree that Headstone sounds like the one that would be appropriate here. I hope someone tries it and uses this thread to document, or at least keep us informed. How about it Better Bud?

Hey, B.T.W., I have a cutting of Headband which I believe is in the same Chem family as those Diesel lines. It smells strongly of hash, but also some other very unusual and distinctive smell that I can't put my finger on, maybe an herbal extract made with diesel? I make it sound not so good, but in reality, it might as well be the Pied Piper to me. I have to run that some day. I tried to get a cutting of LSD from a friend, who said he got rid of it for some reason.

Mostly Me - Hey man. Was I really that rough on you? I'm afraid to go back and look.


Maybe this will help: I think your Destroyer is looking good. It looks like a Thai leaning one. I keep saying that the Thai I grew a very long time ago had those really strongly jagged looking serrations like yours has. It actually sounds like Charlie made that Meao Thai really easy to grow. It's not often that you will hear someone complain that your Thai plant is too small. I can't wait to try that some day. Looking forward to your next progress report and the ultimate smoke report.

Idiit - Thanks for stopping by again my friend. I have no idea about chelated or not. I just try to get food for the microscopic critters in the root zone from a wide variety of sources and stay away from chemical company creations, for the most part.

Cheers,

ThaiBliss

 

[better bud]

that is what i was talking about

 

[better bud]

the headstone,is what i am talking about a buddy of mine-r.i.p.,was able to get it,man it was great,when we first got it,the dude lived way out on a dirt road,when we left,we smoked a pinner,between three of us and when we got done with it,we were close to the end of the road,every thing went into cartoon like,there was some kids playing on a trampoline and they looked just like cabbage patch kids,man it was better than acid,it was gooood!and long lasting!

 

[MostlyMe]

Lovely looking pic Mostlyme. Thanks for posting. With regards to organics/over-fertilizing, while it may be harder to over-feed, it is possible to over do it if fed organic nutrients in excess. Blood meal, and Fish emulsion if applied in excess will cause 'nute-burn' just as easily as synthetic nutrients. Even using too much EWC in your potting media can be detrimental to plant health.

I look forward to seeing more of the Destroyer in the future. That variety definitely interests me.

Thanks Dave, I'd be happy to log the progress of the Destroyer. Looking forward to your Thai Stick as well!

As for the nute burn, I was aware that it is possible. In fact, you can see a few slightly burned tips on my Destroyer, which was caused by a ACT that was apparently too strong.

Mostly Me - Hey man. Was I really that rough on you? I'm afraid to go back and look.


Maybe this will help: I think your Destroyer is looking good. It looks like a Thai leaning one. I keep saying that the Thai I grew a very long time ago had those really strongly jagged looking serrations like yours has. It actually sounds like Charlie made that Meao Thai really easy to grow. It's not often that you will hear someone complain that your Thai plant is too small. I can't wait to try that some day. Looking forward to your next progress report and the ultimate smoke report.

Haha, nah it wasn't that bad. Just teasing

I agree it looks Thai, which usually get very big. I vegged until the third internode in a small pot, then flipped to 11/13 and then repotted about one week later. Cumulatively that probably kept my ladies a bit short - I was too scared they would overgrow my tent I guess.

Idiit - Thanks for stopping by again my friend. I have no idea about chelated or not. I just try to get food for the microscopic critters in the root zone from a wide variety of sources and stay away from chemical company creations, for the most part.

Ah there we go, this was what I wanted to know: you grow organically, but still feed less than needed to keep things green. Why not just enough, if I may ask? Letting the plant decide what it needs kinda makes sense to me.

I can subscribe to most of your philosophy though. Don't mindlessly chuck nutes at your plants: check. A plant should be yellow at harvest: check.

 

[Waldgeist]

Mr. GT - You are not hijacking. Again, this is the reason for this thread. I started another thread that is actually the precursor to this one, Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed. A fellow that seems to be on the same track, rescued it from oblivion, just as each poster does. He has spent a lot of time on it and I'm pleased as punch. I only regret that he does not post half as often here, since how he grows and the strains he grows would make this thread improve also.

Yes Waldgeist, I'm talking about you. How about hitting us with a picture of the wicked looking Ghana you've been growing? You know I love the skinny leaf! Charlie described it by saying something to the effect that it made him feel like a kid again. If I find weed that makes this old man feel young again, I'm going to check that off as quite a trippy effect.

I had the feeling it may be better lurking here around and put my contributions in that other thread as I had only that zamaldelica to show ...

but patience payed me Ghana

pictured on flowering day 25

container size is 0,7l, generic coco fibers

flowered with 100w cmh

even npk for 2 weeks (15-15-15, ec up to 1,9)

then changed to 10-10-30, keeping same ec-

as long they look like this

I just fear I cant show you the incoming buds because I will allmost complete pollinate them, thats why i was shy here, lol

but if you dont mind ...

 

[Waldgeist]

btw, there are very high hopes on this one drying

 

[MostlyMe]

Are you sure that Ghana isn't pregnant already Waldie, it's certainly glowing already?

That Z looks absolutely fantastic as well!

 

[Waldgeist]

Are you sure that Ghana isn't pregnant already Waldie, it's certainly glowing already?

That Z looks absolutely fantastic as well!

sizzling hot,
there may be some single preflowers pollinated allready as I didnt get the males off of them fast enough

I thought you must have an eagle eye-

now I see how it was meant

 

[mr. gt]

That Zamaldelica looks amazing!

TB, I actually grew out Barney's Lsd when it first came out. I cut it maybe 2 or 3 weeks early due to security.

A couple stories about her:

After I took down my grow I smoked with 1 novice smoker. I told him I grew it. When we walked out of his garage and to the car, I saw him through the windows on the other side and he literally just like fainted and fell back and smacked the crap out of his head.

I stuffed about 17 grams in a hollowed out cigar with a friend. It smoked like a cigar. Anyways about 1/3 way through we literally got like paralyzed and my friend thought I was talking to him in Chinese. It was definetly 1 of my most memorable smoke sessions ever. Him and I smoke all day, everyday btw.

I also had another guy faint off of my Reserva Privada headband.. I swear I flushed them.. haha


~mr. gt