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The Search for Trip Weed

ThaiBliss

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It's insultingly obvious, but I want to throw it out there anyway: if you want a trippy experience from pot, you better not have a big tolerance built up. I recently abstained from smoking for 6 weeks while travelling and then went to town on Zamaldelica BHO. It was mindblowing, similar to mushrooms in many ways (just not as hallucinogenic). Even the next day, I already could not replicate the experience with the same BHO.

I think with a fairly big tolerance you can determine what weed would probably be capable of giving trippy effects, but for the full experience you need to abstain for a couple of weeks.

Somewhat related question to the oldtimers remembering the great pot of their youth: are you sure the pot was special, or could it have been your low tolerance at the time? In my memory, I had more profound smoking experiences when I was young, and no modern stuff seems to be able to do that. I always assumed my receptor structure had been permanently altered, which no period of abstention can repair.


Oh Boy! Now you've really got me going.
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First of all, I do know what you are talking about with regards to tolerance. I had a strain once, that was mightily impressive. I put soo many dicks in the dirt with that stuff. It made your head swim. The problem was that if you smoked it more than once a week, it would seem pretty average.

I have had many other strains that were also very good where there was no noticeable tolerance build up at all. Every time we smoked it, it was killer good. I know that the weed of my youth was so good because I grew what may have been the best I ever smoked only ten years ago. Ten years is a relatively short time ago since I have been smoking for more than forty five years.
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I think the situation with regards to my tolerance is exactly the opposite of what you are surmising. When I was much younger, and getting very potent Thai Sticks, Jamaican, and Colombians, I was smoking several times a day. During high school, I smoked two joints on the way to school, smoked two joints at lunch, and smoked two joints after dinner. That was when I had shitty pot. I'm exaggerating, but only slightly. If I had Thai Stick, it was more like two hits at each time of day.

Now that I am older, I smoke three hits about once every month or two. If it doesn't get me blasted, I throw that weed away. I don't tolerate the bland, average, or crappy weed anymore. It is a waste of my time and energy. I smoke to feel good and make me forget my pain, not to "relax". When you get old, relaxing is way too easy. Staying interested and thrilled is the hard part. I've only grown one killer good weed in ten years, and have only smoked other peoples killer weed about three times in the last ten years. Twenty years ago, I found really good weed at least once every year. Before that, I'd find great weed multiple times a year. I consider it a great tragedy that all the weed has become very average. You really don't know what you have been missing. The real problem may be that my standards have become more strict. It has to be at the level of what I grew up on, or it is too average for my tastes. I probably discount, or forget all the real shitty weed I was smoking when I was young. But I remember well enough to realize that the average quality has increased in the last few decades. Unfortunately, it is at the expense of having the very high quality weeds around.

Another possible "tolerance" type of situation that I sincerely believe in, is that couch-lock smokers are infused with a cannabinoid or other chemical in some weed that moderates the high somehow. Heavy use of couch-lock must prevent the full experience of THC. Daily smokers of couch-lock just don't seem to be able to distinguish the subtle differences of different kinds of highs. These subtle differences are not so subtle to me because I have smoked it all. When I was young, Indica was very rare, weed came to me from all over the world, and now Indica hybridized is well over 90% of what I can find, and is almost always domestic. I rarely smoke weed from other parts of the world. I think if I found a pure Indica, I would be pleasantly surprised, but of course it is far down on my list of priorities.

I have a young friend who is a very talented grower, but thinks most pot is very similar and it is all about taste and aroma with him. When I find something exceptional, I'm going to ask/plead with him to abstain for a week before trying to smoke the good stuff, and only smoke the good stuff for the next week after that. It is my belief that this will turn him into a trip weed aficionado. He will never be able to smoke weed again without a discerning eye for quality. This is going to be my little experiment with my couch-lock blood pollution theory.

I really yearn to share some truly great weed with all the doubters out there. I'm hoping that when it is legal, I'll be able to show as many people as possible, because I believe that educating people will change the market. Also, more people growing without commercial interests in mind will change the landscape.

Keep on Tripping,

ThaiBliss
 

Perpetual Nooch

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It's insultingly obvious, but I want to throw it out there anyway: if you want a trippy experience from pot, you better not have a big tolerance built up. I recently abstained from smoking for 6 weeks while travelling and then went to town on Zamaldelica BHO. It was mindblowing, similar to mushrooms in many ways (just not as hallucinogenic). Even the next day, I already could not replicate the experience with the same BHO.

I think with a fairly big tolerance you can determine what weed would probably be capable of giving trippy effects, but for the full experience you need to abstain for a couple of weeks.

Somewhat related question to the oldtimers remembering the great pot of their youth: are you sure the pot was special, or could it have been your low tolerance at the time? In my memory, I had more profound smoking experiences when I was young, and no modern stuff seems to be able to do that. I always assumed my receptor structure had been permanently altered, which no period of abstention can repair.

This definitely plays a huge part in it, but there is still the difference between the indica high and the sativa high. There is so much kush around, everything is kush, at least where I am. I'm so ready for a heavy sativa strain.

So, inspired by this thread, and the other Zamaldelica thread, I recently acquired some Ace Seeds Zamaldelica. I also picked up some Bangi Haze and Rotten Panda which looked interesting.

I'm looking forward to growing these out. Here are some pics so far:

Germinated 4 seeds and got two females. First (Z1) one has thinner leaves and is a paler green than the second (Z2). This would the Thai pheno, or the African? I'm not sure.
Z1:
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Z2:
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Close up on Z1
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Z1 without flash:
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Kudos to the OP on a great thread.
 
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bringyalungs

guess i gots to liven things up round here.


African Black Magic/ Ituri Norie



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African Black Magic/ Ituri Norie

dam idiit, i googled as you said and count me in, the plant in itself looks amazing...is that even real...lol an all black plant...crazy...do you know if there are still plants available to this there in that region? i'd take a trip just to go grab it
 

MostlyMe

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Glad we agree, TB, that tolerance is an essential part of the equation. I am however toying with the idea there is a sort of long-term tolerance in addition to a short-term. Long-term tolerance would take a couple of years to build up, depending on use, but then would be there forever. You'll never get back to zero again, so to speak. That would be just as good an explanation for the great smokes we had in our youth, and how hard it is to replicate them these days. That and it's just a very small chance for a small-time grower to get the right pheno.

I think your young friend is half right in his conviction that most pot is similar: main stream strains are all derived from the same (small) gene pool that variation of aroma is all you can hope for. But fortunately, there are breeders who avoid that pitfall and do the hard work create original stuff, often from landraces. Well, I don't need to tell you... but I hope you can convince him :)
 

ThaiBliss

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I started smoking when I was in 5th grade, and smoking regularly by 7th grade. By the beginning of high school, I already had a great deal of experience. I had already lived through the predominantly Mexican era. During high school was the predominately Colombian era. But I had an excellent connection that was able to get exotics from the world over during those eras. I moved to California in the late 70s when the dominant weeds were homegrown from genetics originating world wide, Thai, Jamaican, Columbian, Mexican, Cambodian, African and South Pacific strains (by way of Hawaii). It was only in the early 80s that Afghani and Pakistani genetics became the dominant strains, and couch-lock genetics have been dominating ever since.

Thanks for the posts. Those are some beautiful pictures Perpetual Nooch. The Thai looking ones really get me excited. There is a lot of variety in that strain, and I'm hoping to find a winner in there as well.

ThaiBliss
 

Only Ornamental

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Some years back I read an article about THC and mice where they showed that juvenile (teenage) mice profited most from THC and had the least negative effects. Younger ones had a reduced mental development whereas adult mice primarily got only 'stoned and stupid'.
Don't know how that applies to humans nor how our knowledge in this regard developed in the meantime but from personal observations and experience this effect seems transferable to us.
I started smoking some 20 years ago, that was when already most weed was 'indicanised'... still, I have the impression that in the late '90 the couch lock phenomenon got worse, the weed I liked got scarce, and smoking pot become increasingly boring... I more or less quit for several years, just a joint each year or two but never got really 'high' again (stoned yes, but not that up-lifting, trippy, soaring.... you know what I mean, right?). Last year, I started my search for 'the good old days' ('old' from my point of view of the time-space continuum :) ) but haven't found yet what I am looking for (obviously, I simply didn't test enough). Only thing I can say, the more 'sativa', the better... but I knew that already before.
 
dam idiit, i googled as you said and count me in, the plant in itself looks amazing...is that even real...lol an all black plant...crazy...do you know if there are still plants available to this there in that region? i'd take a trip just to go grab it
Wow this looks nice. Could be African Black Magic bud.

Here is the quote "Only smoked it two or three times cause mannn this weed is too different, very verry high in THCV according to a cannalytics test my uncle did!

me personally: I dont like the stuff. it makes me feel funny and does exactly the opposite of what smoking weed normally does, its crazy."

"the colours are surreal in real life, from blue to black and everything in between! never seen this before in another strain. especially not an (African) sativa!
I only smoked it twice personally cause its really not my type of high, its nothing like u would expect from weed. if u wanna feel like this just use a mild dosage of DMT instead lol

The smoke itself is quite enjoyable though.. it has an expanding ''thick'' smoke, very creamy if you know what i mean.
When u talk while exhaling it has the ''reverse helium-syndrome'' as my mates like to call it! hehe
but the fun and games are all over when the effect creeps in especially if you dont know whats coming, NOT recommended for medical use AT ALL!! im deadserious this stuff will definately NOT help you whatsoever.
if i can find the old cannalytics print of this plant i will scan it and post it so you can see what i mean. THCV content is very high, CBN is off the charts! :O"
https://www.*********.com/community/threads/ituri-noire-black-magic-african.42259/

If anyone can get this strain it should be saved, preserved and passed so it will never become extint.
 

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jayjayfrank

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personally myself, i dont understand how puffing something once counts as 'well, thats the kind of high this bud has'

i need at least a solid week of puffing on something to find the 'nuances' 'inherent' in the smoke - and the 'descriptions' partially ring true for most strains(i have grown myself).

no, i think 'The Great' strains get that description because of the consistent quality when smoked over long periods of time.

2 consecutive hits every 4-6 hours for 7 days. if day 2 feels the same as day 6 then you have come to understand a more accurate 'description' of 'her', nothing more nothing less. if you tell me i have to not smoke anything for 6 weeks to get the real effects of this herb, i wouldnt consider those to be 'real', imho

not to take away from the newbie smoker getting his mined blown argument, that still happens.
 

ThaiBliss

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... "Only smoked it two or three times cause mannn this weed is too different, very verry high in THCV according to a cannalytics test my uncle did!

me personally: I dont like the stuff. it makes me feel funny and does exactly the opposite of what smoking weed normally does, its crazy."
... if u wanna feel like this just use a mild dosage of DMT instead lol

If anyone can get this strain it should be saved, preserved and passed so it will never become extint.

Now that is what I'm talking about. I smoked a Colombian Black that was similarly astoundingly good, better IMHO than the Colombian Gold. I have no idea if it was related.

I don't know why people tend not to believe these accounts. It is as if people think they have smoked all the kinds of weed that there are, therefore they would know definitively. And this from people who have been smoking for less than 20 years. It seems overly ego centric to me.

It seems perfectly reasonable that people who have grown up on couch-lock, do not immediately like these other varieties. It throws them for a loop. To be honest, it takes some getting used to the mind control that is necessary not to freak out at first. But I find that I develop a tolerance for the nervous or paranoia effects, and am left to enjoy the persistent trippy and euphoric effects.

It is better than taking shrooms, acid, or DMT, because you are able to more precisely titrate the dosage. People who are used to smoking a joint of modern era type weed, need to start with small doses of mind blowing trippy weed. The best highs I have had are small doses of extremely potent weed, in my opinion.

ThaiBliss
 

BlackWeedMan

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Hey Thaibliss and Pepe i came across this article and thought you might like to see a few pics of some very Exotic strains. And i can assure everyone that completely black strains do exist and i have 2 right now i can show you a bit later. i will have to pull the camera out when the girls wake up.
Mesosphere they are super Rare indeed and unimaginable expensive to try to purchase that's if the person would even part with a single clone. the main reason people don't see them is because they are so special people don't want to show them to ANYONE in fear of having a jealous fool steal or kill it.
 

MostlyMe

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I don't know why people tend not to believe these accounts. It is as if people think they have smoked all the kinds of weed that there are, therefore they would know definitively. And this from people who have been smoking for less than 20 years. It seems overly ego centric to me.

Boo, that was lame. I do believe the accounts, I just happen to lean towards the theory that there is a physiological mechanism making it difficult to replicate these experiences. Waving that notion away just like that, insisting your experiences are the golden standard: who is being overly ego-centric?
 

TanzanianMagic

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i think the search ends someplace in the island of Jamaica ?
I'm just throwing this out there, but the most powerful weed I ever grew was when I didn't know anything about flowering.

I didn't know it at the time, but basically, I just skipped from vegging to ripening. :biggrin:

Tanzanian Magic, B-52, Blue Mystic were all super trippy.

Lots of leaf death, lots of heartbreak, but somehow there were just enough nutrients in the soil and leaves to get some minor calyx formation. The plant was 'done' in 6-7 weeks, with serious resin formation instead.

My guess that with less calyx, there was relatively more resin on the flower, making for a more concentrated smoke. Secondly, most time was spent on ripening and getting everything out of the resin. This was all in full sun outdoors.

I'm not recommending that everyone does this on all their plants, but if you have a lot of plants, you might want to experiment on one plant.

It is not a commercial proposition - you get much less yield, and there is no 'bag appeal', but the quality may thrill you beyond words. :woohoo:

MostlyMe said:
I do believe the accounts, I just happen to lean towards the theory that there is a physiological mechanism making it difficult to replicate these experiences.

When you have real tripweed, there is no belief required. It will get you tripping no matter what.
 

ThaiBliss

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Boo, that was lame. I do believe the accounts, I just happen to lean towards the theory that there is a physiological mechanism making it difficult to replicate these experiences. Waving that notion away just like that, insisting your experiences are the golden standard: who is being overly ego-centric?

MostlyMe,

I apologize. I knew I should not have posted that. Thanks for the perfect measured response to it.

"Boo"

:biggrin:

I get the gut reaction from the skeptics that they are trying to prove a negative, which is not logical to me. This issue is dear to my heart. This, in addition to your handle, "MostlyMe", just made me overreact. But come on... you got to admit, it is a touch funny.

Sorry. Thank you for showing such class in reaction to my slip ups.

BlackWeedMan - I'm looking forward to your posts of pictures, and smoke reports here if possible. It disturbs me to hear about hoarding, but I can understand why due to the rarity and value. I'd love to see great strains distributed widely, and raise the bar for everyone.

Merc500 - I have a 60s Jamaican sprouted and lined up for my next grow!
:biggrin:

TarzanianMagic - I have heard this story repeated throughout my life. From a friend: "A plant split. I bandaged it, but a worm got in and ate the inside of the plant, turning it all yellow. It was the best weed I ever grew." It also happened to me in another way. This is why I preach low nutrients, and not babying your plants. I water my plants only once a week, even though we get almost no rain during our summers, and it has been over 100 degrees repeatedly during the week. My plants still have gotten over 8 feet tall. They just don't look really dark green like most other growers. If the plant can wilt without the fertilizers burning the leaf tips, you probably have the nutrients at a low enough level. Like you said, you can go to the extreme for a touch of private reserve head stash.

ThaiBliss
 

ThaiBliss

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Less Talk More Walk

Less Talk More Walk

O.K., this is me trying to be more entertaining. I better document these before a storm rips through and starts breaking branches.

Nepalese, Bangi Haze and NepalJam, outdoor:

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NepalJam Bush:
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Tallest Bangi Haze:

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Good Luck in Your Search,

ThaiBliss
 

pinkus

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California in the late 70s when the dominant weeds were homegrown from genetics originating world wide, Thai, Jamaican, Columbian, Mexican, Cambodian, African and South Pacific strains (by way of Hawaii). It was only in the early 80s that Afghani and Pakistani genetics became the dominant strains, and couch-lock genetics have been dominating ever since.
ThaiBliss

I wasn't in California, but some of the best weed that came to Minneapolis was sinsemilla from the west coast, NOT commercial bud in today's sense. Home grown sweet Sativas. It varied every batch in those days. This was concurrent with columbian dominating the market...that didn't last long :( Occasionally the columbian was the shit ! maybe not as well handled as the domestic, but my god that was stellar weed. Really performed badly under t8s lol
 

BlackWeedMan

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OMFG i just had 10 min of typing gone (slow typer) Had where my journey began looking for the darkest cannabis there was in the world. WOT gone oh well ill type it up again soon in word then paste to here.
Thaibliss they are absolutely gorgeous girls my friend Golf Clap for you Sir :). I myself love sativa's where im from no one smokes Indica. And they turn there nose up at hydro believing it just puts you asleep. In fact my mates dad married a Thai lady about 30 years ago and this is were i went to get my Breeding stock for my next project.
Thaibliss i have a few shots of the girls to show you the one im focusing on is FMP and its nothing but pure Fruity Mango Poison with sour notes of rotten fruit the stems smell like baby shit mixed with a little dog crap for good measure and the High is unbelievable i reckon it has next to Zero CBD because this stuff the more you medicate the higher and more intense the experience gets (Trippy Even) no Ceiling just this weird place i call brain malfunction then sleep.
This is a very commendable endeavor mate and its because of people like you looking for very individual traits within select Genotypes / Pheno's that we stumble upon new and exciting Cannabiniod profiles that have profound impact for people suffering very rare and otherwise untreatable illness and diseases. So good luck brother and who knows you might even see something you like in amongst my humble selection of strains (minus the Blacks everyone wants them lol). I 100% plan on giving them out i just have not had them long and really want to make sure lots of people get them not just a few people you know.
 

BlackWeedMan

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Why is it so hard to post a pic here any tips ? Most of all my photos are too big i think. whats the easyist way to get some pics up ?
 
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