The Search for Trip Weed

[MostlyMe]

Alright, let's see if I can antagonize TB some more The way he's growing a couple of plants at a time, what are his chances of finding what he's looking for?

Since landraces would probably be impossible to grow, it seems his best chance is finding the right phenotype in crosses not too far removed from landraces. It will vary greatly among strains what percentage of pheno's is trippy, but I have a feeling the odds are not favorable. I have nothing to back this up, except that it seems to be a characteristic that is easily lost while breeding. It definitely is not a common trait.

I started thinking about this when reading just now about how Tom Hill's haze has a 1-in-20 special pheno. Those might be the odds TB is facing also. Which means growing out 1 seed per strain doesn't mean anything if it wasn't trippy. You need to grow 20! I can see how that would be very boring, but with a really promising strain it might be the way to go.

 

[pinkus]

His chances are excellent if he keeps going. In fact they are 100% better than if he wasn't trying.

 

[pinkus]

During high school, I smoked two joints on the way to school, smoked two joints at lunch, and smoked two joints after dinner. That was when I had shitty pot. I'm exaggerating, but only slightly. If I had Thai Stick, it was more like two hits at each time of day.

I'm starting to think we went to school together a half a day or two of Mexi or maybe lumbo. Bridge of Sighs on the 8 track in the country squire @11.

 

[satva]

Mango Haze x Highland Mexican / Blueberry

Mango Haze x Highland Mexican / Blueberry

Mango Haze (MH-1) x Highland Mexican phenotype (HMBB)


MH-1 X HMBB - Guererro phenotype (maybe)?

MH-1 x HmBB ~ Light green, three finger leaves, good branching structure

Highland Mexican / Blueberry father - Highland Guerrero leaning phenotype - tall and skinny

Mango Haze-1 mother -17 weeks - psycedelic, calm with lovely energy flow

 

[MostlyMe]

His chances are excellent if he keeps going.

That all depends on how rare the desired pheno's are.

In fact they are 100% better than if he wasn't trying.

Yes, and I have just about the same chance of winning the lotery as someone who actually bought a ticket

I'm not trying to crush a dream here, just wondering if there is a better strategy. Hopping from strain to strain growing one or two plants per strain should have about equal chances of success compared to growing lots of plants from a single strain, *unless* you have additional information (like the 1-in-20 odds from Tom Hill).

Also, why isn't there a breeder into this stuff? Surely there's a sizeable market of old geezers willing to pay big time for the kind of pot they loved in their younger years

 

[pinkus]

MM, we all have finite time and space: working toward what you want is NEVER a waste of time Those who don't try are doomed to fail; those that progress are destined to get somewhere.


Personally, if you aren't backing his search, you are welcome to sit and ponder all things that wont be accomplished in another thread. Or stay here and spew negativity; pretty sure he (and I) will continue despite the odds. If everybody thought like you, I certainly wouldn't have the plants I have, and I am very happy with what is being smoked. It's already paying off for others. We (the keepers of the search) know the likelihood, and it makes it sweeter if and when it's found. And he'll still get lot's of top notch smoke.

I run LESS than TB. I've ended up with a few stellar plants... no losses as far as i'm concerned.

Sounds like you are someone who believes good seeds only come from $$ transactions. LOL nothing could be further from the truth.


BTW: you KNEW the dude was coming

 

[Infinitesimal]

hello,

my name is infinitesimal... nice to meet you. I am that dude, lol or I try to be at least... not that it is about commercial success as much as re-envigourating the connoisseur (including trippy) Satvia cannabis market within our culture and try and turn my and a younger generation on to it as well, ones who may have only had stoney type of highs their whole lives.

I agree, it is an uphill battle if you can't pop many seeds at one time, but as long as someone like TB keeps clones of everything he pops, eventually over time he will find what he is looking for then he just needs to keep clones alive and pollinate it regularly to preserve the potential for that high that exists within those genes (which ever ones he finds them in)

 

[pinkus]

Why don't more do it? $$$$$$ indicas are more consistent
and faster.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Alright, let's see if I can antagonize TB some more The way he's growing a couple of plants at a time, what are his chances of finding what he's looking for?

Since landraces would probably be impossible to grow, it seems his best chance is finding the right phenotype in crosses not too far removed from landraces. It will vary greatly among strains what percentage of pheno's is trippy, but I have a feeling the odds are not favorable. I have nothing to back this up, except that it seems to be a characteristic that is easily lost while breeding. It definitely is not a common trait.

I started thinking about this when reading just now about how Tom Hill's haze has a 1-in-20 special pheno. Those might be the odds TB is facing also. Which means growing out 1 seed per strain doesn't mean anything if it wasn't trippy. You need to grow 20! I can see how that would be very boring, but with a really promising strain it might be the way to go.

Impossible to grow landraces? You're not trying hard enough. They're actually not that difficult to do indoors, imo. Ive grown Afropips Swazi Red, Malawi Gold, and many haze hybrids which can be difficult for some people to tame.

As long as I used smaller pots, lots of Metal Halide before and during early flower, I was able to maintain short manageable plants. Using MH you can reduce internodal stretch to less than an inch on Haze Hybrids, and Pure Landrace sativas.

Ive seen from 5-6 inches of stretch to under an inch on plants after I learned how to limit their stretch. HPS emit a ton of far-red light, and Sativas react with alot more stretch to it than do Indicas, or Indica/Sativa Hybrids. I start using HPS after the stretch is over.

 

[Dave Coulier]

TB, I want to say Ive thoroughly enjoyed getting caught up with your thread. Its been a blast to read it. Thai is the holy grail strain Ive yet to grow, and I enjoy watching you grow these plants.

Ive got a 15 pack of GN Thai Stick sitting in my fridge, and hoping to get more so I can someday explore this strain. I wish you good luck in your search for the one. I someday will join your search with my seeds and hope to experience the same bliss you are searching for.

 

[idiit]

i see this search for trip weed as a collaborative project. great to see lots of growers showing up and posting here.

i don't think mostly me is tring to piss on someone's bubble.

he doesn't understand how talented some of the growers posting here are at growing landraces. to me, this is the premier cannabis landrace formum. every time i research a landrace i seem to find icmag making a good showing. the farm comes in second, mrnice third overall from my perspective. other forums have great threads on some landrace topics but ic to me is the spot.

each of us is posting from personal experience and posts of other growers are being posted as well.

truly psychoactive weed is so elusive that we have quite a few doubters (maybe correct, maybe not) that we can come up with some truly psychoactive weed that others can acquire and grow out for themselves.

i'm excited about the prospects of some up energetic psychoactive african strains including foremost malawi , followed with maybe some zamal or a superb durban.. others are persuing thais. some are including south american strains.

i don't think tb is alone. he is part of a team effort. if he was alone with the numbers he's running i'd say his chances to get a winner in the short run could be marginal at best. he's informed enough by his research that he might be able to pull it off, but maybe not. this is a search for a very elusive high.

tb is getting help from other growers in his quest as some of these landraces are very hard to source. without that assistance mostly me would probably be very correct.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

Alright, let's see if I can antagonize TB some more...

Success!

The way he's growing a couple of plants at a time, what are his chances of finding what he's looking for?

I have found it, in world class potency, in my homegrown about 10 times before in my lifetime. I'm doing six at a time at the moment. I'm hoping that legalization, on the ballot in November, will bring opportunities for more numbers.

I easily see your point. The higher the numbers, the higher the odds. I'm not just hopping from strain to strain. Bangi Haze has proven itself to be high quality and slightly trippy weed from the first indoor sample, at least by my definition. I have 3 growing outside to further test individuals and produce many more seeds. I'll also get to test the qualities of it from an outdoor grow.

Since landraces would probably be impossible to grow, it seems his best chance is finding the right phenotype in crosses not too far removed from landraces.

What is this term "landraces"? I've read a few definitions, and they all seem condescending to 10,000 years of history in which past humans having been growing and selectively breeding strains that "modern" (ha!) breeders have been dependent on to make their hybrids, then most often barely inbreeding and minimally selecting the lines, most likely for taste and productivity, as long as it is moderately potent, which is why we are in this predicament that nubile smokers aren't even aware of. Plant breeding is not something that recent human children have just invented. B.T.W., I'm growing Highland Oaxacan and 1960s Jamaican Lambsbread at this very moment. Are these what you mean by "landrace"?

It will vary greatly among strains what percentage of pheno's is trippy, but I have a feeling the odds are not favorable. I have nothing to back this up, except that it seems to be a characteristic that is easily lost while breeding. It definitely is not a common trait.

The odds are not favorable anymore in my circles in the U.S., that is for sure.

I started thinking about this when reading just now about how Tom Hill's haze has a 1-in-20 special pheno. Those might be the odds TB is facing also. Which means growing out 1 seed per strain doesn't mean anything if it wasn't trippy. You need to grow 20! I can see how that would be very boring, but with a really promising strain it might be the way to go.

Again, see my comment above.

The last time I found a very potent trip weed plant was 10 years ago from 3 packs of Haze, Original, Willy Jack, and Neville's. I only found one in thirty seeds, and I think I got very lucky to find the special one that I did.

B.T.W., the odds do not change if I grow the strains out of order or not all at once! Did you read this thread, or just jump in the end? I often do that, but that makes me not fully informed. I'm going to pursue Zamaldelica again, as well as the Jamaican, Bangi Haze and others.

I really hope to find one exceptional one soon. There are a few people who I am planning on smoking with. Then, I'll be able to do this:


MostlyYou - This is me mostly agreeing with you.

Sincerely,

ThaiBliss

 

[bushweed]

The last time I found a very potent trip weed plant was 10 years ago from 3 packs of Haze, Original, Willy Jack, and Neville's. I only found one in thirty seeds, and I think I got very lucky to find the special one that I did.

Hi TB, how did you rate the Original Haze compared to Neville's Haze?

I notice the last decade's Mr Nice and Sensi Seeds offerings of Neville's Hz don't garner the sort of reviews that were seen 20 years ago. For instance there's some guys in Holland who hold a Neville's Hz cut bought from Nevil in 1990 that they say is too strong to smoke regularly. They also hold a NL5Hz cut from the same era that is their favorite and sounds a lot like your freak Oaxacan/Thai pheno. What's interesting is nothing they've crossed these cuts to over 20 years has produced anything close to the power of the originals.

Which seems to support the theory of entropy affecting the potency of progeny from breeding parents (I'm thinking Sensi and Mr Nice) kept over many years. Anyone have an alternate theory to explain the seeming deterioration of past champion strains?

I should mention that the paternal grandmother of the Thai stick x NHz x MM - NHz#21 has garnered a couple of rave reviews from posters who cite it as the strongest, most electric high they've experienced. It's a cut I held for a while, but must admit more partiality for the Thais, Oaxacans and MMs, here's a dried shot...

I know Raco keeps a cut of Tom's OHz, which is definitely saying something, but haven't read many startling reports of people finding the one in 20 lately.

This next season I'll be running some pure Haze from Charlie. I'm not sure if he'll release them, I think he finds it's pretty hard to make a living from selling NLD (sativa) seeds, when everyone wants Kush, and other breeders sell his strains without any remuneration.

Hey TB, I appreciate your quest very much, it's one of the few threads I check regularly; and I think you're the right man for the job with your experience and openness, and there's always something interesting - a rare Oaxacan, a tray of Guerrero BBs, a Papua New Guinea x Haitian. If I had the opportunity to grow 6 of these rare strains at a time with a quick turnover, I'd be confident to find something to make me happy. And having some of that Bangi Hz turned into hash would make me very happy.


Just coming back to the dutch guys with the old school haze cuts. One important thing they've noticed about their two cuts, is that even with them being clones, they are much more vigorous in growth than any of the dozens of haze or haze hybrids they've tried breeding them with. So this is something to look for when you're searching for powerful, psychedelic NLD strains - extreme vigor...

I know I do.

 

[Bob Green]

Trip weed confession...

So a few years ago I got 1/4 pound of "Mexican Shwag". My good friend has a tallent for getting some of the best coming out of Mexico. I think I paid about $140 for the slice of brick. But when I would smoke this one I was too high. Like uncomfortably sweaty, confused, dirty, edgy, akward high. Like paranoid going through the store and kind of wanted it to end but knew I would just have to deal with it and move on. The taste was not too bad for sun dried brick. But it was a dirty kind of high. Not plesant really. I did not save any seeds of this one. I wish I would of but there was a few bugs in the ones I left out for a month or so to dry. So I just flushed them all. I did not want to take the risk of putting them next to the other "landrace" Mex beans.

Over the past five years or so I have only kept seeds out of two bricks. But the bud from these two bricks I would reach for more, enjoyed it more, and saved it more then any of the "chronic" going around. Just feelgood, happy, pain soothing, gives light munchies, just cool bud like I imagine NepJam in my head.

I think it is all out there. Quite a few people are on the hunt for the best herb. I think quite a bit of it has been saved. Look at the amount of badass genetics that are so easy to get. The truely outstanding Thai, African, Sumatran, Burmese, Mexican, Panama, Columbo, Kerala will find a way to the right hands.

Its a matter of taste. I also think some time in our lifetime we might just be able to taste these lines grown in the homeland. Amazing import grown and cured just right. But imported like fine cigars and wine legal and expensive but worth it to the ones willing to pay... Well I can dream at least.

 

[MostlyMe]

MM, we all have finite time and space: working toward what you want is NEVER a waste of time Those who don't try are doomed to fail; those that progress are destined to get somewhere.


Personally, if you aren't backing his search, you are welcome to sit and ponder all things that wont be accomplished in another thread. Or stay here and spew negativity; pretty sure he (and I) will continue despite the odds. If everybody thought like you, I certainly wouldn't have the plants I have, and I am very happy with what is being smoked. It's already paying off for others. We (the keepers of the search) know the likelihood, and it makes it sweeter if and when it's found. And he'll still get lot's of top notch smoke.

I run LESS than TB. I've ended up with a few stellar plants... no losses as far as i'm concerned.

Sounds like you are someone who believes good seeds only come from $$ transactions. LOL nothing could be further from the truth.


BTW: you KNEW the dude was coming

Wow, do you even read? Did I say anywhere TB is wasting his time? The rest is just an emotional response to that (false) notion.

You got it all wrong man.

hello,

my name is infinitesimal... nice to meet you. I am that dude, lol or I try to be at least... not that it is about commercial success as much as re-envigourating the connoisseur (including trippy) Satvia cannabis market within our culture and try and turn my and a younger generation on to it as well, ones who may have only had stoney type of highs their whole lives.

I agree, it is an uphill battle if you can't pop many seeds at one time, but as long as someone like TB keeps clones of everything he pops, eventually over time he will find what he is looking for then he just needs to keep clones alive and pollinate it regularly to preserve the potential for that high that exists within those genes (which ever ones he finds them in)

Great to hear someone is trying! Do you have the option of growing a sizeable number of plants? Man, I would love to be able to do that.

Impossible to grow landraces? You're not trying hard enough. They're actually not that difficult to do indoors, imo. Ive grown Afropips Swazi Red, Malawi Gold, and many haze hybrids which can be difficult for some people to tame.

As long as I used smaller pots, lots of Metal Halide before and during early flower, I was able to maintain short manageable plants. Using MH you can reduce internodal stretch to less than an inch on Haze Hybrids, and Pure Landrace sativas.

Ive seen from 5-6 inches of stretch to under an inch on plants after I learned how to limit their stretch. HPS emit a ton of far-red light, and Sativas react with alot more stretch to it than do Indicas, or Indica/Sativa Hybrids. I start using HPS after the stretch is over.

But aren't the strains you mention already acclimatized for a few generations? Like Ace does for example with Panama?

i see this search for trip weed as a collaborative project. great to see lots of growers showing up and posting here.

i don't think mostly me is tring to piss on someone's bubble.

he doesn't understand how talented some of the growers posting here are at growing landraces. to me, this is the premier cannabis landrace formum. every time i research a landrace i seem to find icmag making a good showing. the farm comes in second, mrnice third overall from my perspective. other forums have great threads on some landrace topics but ic to me is the spot.

each of us is posting from personal experience and posts of other growers are being posted as well.

truly psychoactive weed is so elusive that we have quite a few doubters (maybe correct, maybe not) that we can come up with some truly psychoactive weed that others can acquire and grow out for themselves.

i'm excited about the prospects of some up energetic psychoactive african strains including foremost malawi , followed with maybe some zamal or a superb durban.. others are persuing thais. some are including south american strains.

i don't think tb is alone. he is part of a team effort. if he was alone with the numbers he's running i'd say his chances to get a winner in the short run could be marginal at best. he's informed enough by his research that he might be able to pull it off, but maybe not. this is a search for a very elusive high.

tb is getting help from other growers in his quest as some of these landraces are very hard to source. without that assistance mostly me would probably be very correct.

You got it right about the pissing and the bubble Thanks for that. And you make a good point: it is a collaborative effort. We can point each other in the right direction, but more importantly, we can spread the message there is a market for this stuff.

Greetings,



Success!

I have found it, in world class potency, in my homegrown about 10 times before in my lifetime. I'm doing six at a time at the moment. I'm hoping that legalization, on the ballot in November, will bring opportunities for more numbers.

I easily see your point. The higher the numbers, the higher the odds. I'm not just hopping from strain to strain. Bangi Haze has proven itself to be high quality and slightly trippy weed from the first indoor sample, at least by my definition. I have 3 growing outside to further test individuals and produce many more seeds. I'll also get to test the qualities of it from an outdoor grow.



What is this term "landraces"? I've read a few definitions, and they all seem condescending to 10,000 years of history in which past humans having been growing and selectively breeding strains that "modern" (ha!) breeders have been dependent on to make their hybrids, then most often barely inbreeding and minimally selecting the lines, most likely for taste and productivity, as long as it is moderately potent, which is why we are in this predicament that nubile smokers aren't even aware of. Plant breeding is not something that recent human children have just invented. B.T.W., I'm growing Highland Oaxacan and 1960s Jamaican Lambsbread at this very moment. Are these what you mean by "landrace"?



The odds are not favorable anymore in my circles in the U.S., that is for sure.



Again, see my comment above.

The last time I found a very potent trip weed plant was 10 years ago from 3 packs of Haze, Original, Willy Jack, and Neville's. I only found one in thirty seeds, and I think I got very lucky to find the special one that I did.

B.T.W., the odds do not change if I grow the strains out of order or not all at once! Did you read this thread, or just jump in the end? I often do that, but that makes me not fully informed. I'm going to pursue Zamaldelica again, as well as the Jamaican, Bangi Haze and others.

I really hope to find one exceptional one soon. There are a few people who I am planning on smoking with. Then, I'll be able to do this:


MostlyYou - This is me mostly agreeing with you.

Sincerely,

ThaiBliss

10 in your lifetime is not at all bad! Much better than I would have guessed. Is there a particular reason the last one was 10 years ago? Did you start growing less plants, or do you find it harder to find good material to work with?

As for the landraces, see my comment to idiit. If there is some inbreeding going on to acclimatize, isn't there also selection going on? Which might not be aimed to preserving the trippyness?

I didn't jump in the thread, I read it all. Also in Ace's section. So I should have known about you following up on some good leads. Sorry about that.

Just another thought: aren't F2's what you need? That's usually when the oddballs start popping up.

 

[pinkus]

Wow, do you even read? Did I say anywhere TB is wasting his time? The rest is just an emotional response to that (false) notion.

"Alright, let's see if I can antagonize TB some more The way he's growing a couple of plants at a time, what are his chances of finding what he's looking for? "

pretty close

this is for you and steve carell

 

[MostlyMe]

"Alright, let's see if I can antagonize TB some more The way he's growing a couple of plants at a time, what are his chances of finding what he's looking for? "

pretty close

this is for you and steve carell
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Funny how you read some sort of malignant intent into it, whereas TB himself (and idiit) didn't. Oh well, I can't blame you I suppose. 99 out of a 100 times of discussions on the internet are pissing contests, one can easily get the impression it's always like that.

That was the last I have to say on this matter, so as to no longer pollute this great thread.

 

[pinkus]

who's reading "malignant" ? not me. Just counter productive.

"ya know your wasting your time, right?" is what I get from your posts about your intent. malignant, no, counter productive yes. Undude ~ in spades... but not malignant.

Cutting off your Johnson is malignant:

well...maybe more malicious lol
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It's all in the delivery right? You are saying it's unlikely (which has a negative connotation) I'm saying it's possible (which has a positive connotation). They are NOT that far apart but one gives momentum and one takes it away. You are in fact correct about many points, but the only one that matters (IMO) is working towards the goal. If you are not doing that, get the F out of the way. LOL

 

[Gry]

This thread has been one of my favourite ones to come spend time.

I feel like I have been real fortunate as a daily smoker to have experienced the lighting a few times. I have noticed the experiences seemed to have had a couple of things in common.
a.the strain was new to me
b. it was dusk or later
c. the location was new to me
d. the cannabis was strong
e. it was the combination of things that made the experience special.

That picture in post 453 is a bell ringer for me, beautiful.

 

[jayjayfrank]

trip weed already exists

where is it at?

we are drawing a map...

"youll never make it to the other side of that mountain"
"youll fall off the edge of the earth trying to cross that sea"
and the response is always "sit back and watch"