The Search for Trip Weed

[nepalnt21]

finally finished this awesome thread! :0) thanks, everyone!

i remember prolly a decade ago, my friends and i bought some stuff called simply "death". it came as one small chunk of cola, still kinda wet, and smelled like lemoney pine-sol or something close. we smoked, and couldnt help but look to the stars. it was a truly magical, serene and yet stimulating to the cerebrum trippy high.

we happened to meet up with some other friends, who brought along some well grown white widow. well, the white widow actually brought us DOWN from our high of highs.

"death" is now my gold standard, although i will probably never find it again.

we guessed that it was a haze, but we will never truly know.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Those who've had it, know. It's still out there floating around. If you find it, turn people onto it and spread the genetics around generously. It only goes away when $$ is prioritized or it is hoarded.

Merry Christmas Tripsters,

ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

Well I'm back as I have found something worth sharing in the search for trip weed

I must thank Tang and his method of makin Malawi Cobb's for the idea. If you put the right herb (Sativa or Sativa Dom Hybrid) into the cobb you get a trippy smoke. Something about the heat required to sweat the cobb changes the high. I have made a few cobb's usin Tang's method and have been beyond impressed with the results.

I set out to find a way to do this to regular buds and thru several experiments found just that. In just 2 or 3 hours you get buds that look like they have a 6~8 month cure and smoke like a Malawi Cobb

Dry the buds like you normally do, once they reach the zone to jar em, fill a jar (quart) to 1/3 full and place it, with lid on sealed, in a croc pot that has 2 inches of water in it and run it on high for 30 minutes then set it on low for the remainder. You are watching for the moisture sweated from the buds to accumulate on the top sides of the jar and the color of the buds to change, which takes 2 to 3 hours depending on the moisture content.

Once you observe the color changes and THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT, remove the jar from the croc pot and ALLOW IT TO COOL BEFORE OPENING, as if you open the jar while hot you lose the smell and some of the taste. Which of course I know because I did it lol during the experiments. If done properly the bud retains it's smell & flavor. Once the jar has cooled you can vent the pressure and then burp to proper dryness/consistency as you would normally do usin the jar method.

Muddy highs (so far) have become very clear & introspective, munchies have gone away and trippy happens with indulgence. Since I posted this over at my place several have tried it and reported similar results

Here are the before and after pics ,,,,,
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[Riddleme]

Forgot to mention, I put a towel on the croc since the lid would not fit
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[satva]

Cannabiogen Punto Rojo P1/P2 Highland Colombian 2009 landrace and Underground Seeds ColJam [(1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread) BX Colombian Gold] both have several phenotypes that are trippy. You'll find trippy phenotypes in Old Timers Haze, or Original Haze.

 

[geneva_sativa]

Hey Satva,

do you know if when ColJam was first released the '72 Colombian was used in the cross ?

 

[satva]

do you know if when ColJam was first released the '72 Colombian was used in the cross ?

No.

My guess is that the first release was 1980 Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread and the second release the same backcrossed to 1980 Colombian Gold. You could ask Cannabiogen or Ace if they still carry ColJam seeds

. The 1980 Colombian Gold version has been more developed and the 1972 Colombian Gold is probably a P1/P2 Landrace. The 1972 would be extremely to flower and harvest properly outside the tropics. I prefer to grow seeds that Cannabiogen or Underground Seeds have selected a few generations (+ P3 Landrace) rather than a P1 Landrace seeds made in Colombia. Some second release ColJam phenotypes will be wispier and longer flowering than a pure Haze.

 

[geneva_sativa]

Cheers and thanks for your insights, Satva

 

[ThaiBliss]

Riddleme and Satva - Thanks for your posts. You guys have been really good contributors to this thread.

Riddleme - Thanks for your experimentation. I've been following Tang's thread and I am a believer for a couple of reasons:

1.) His cobbed bud looks like ALL the weed I used to get back in the day. I believe most of it was due to bricking (oxygen deprivation) and shipping, possibly in a hot environment. B.T.W., this is the same way people discovered curing tobacco.

2.) I tried it myself years ago. I put a small harvest, about 2 dry weight ounces of wet trimmed bud in a tightly wrapped paper and placed it in a hot attic. I checked it in a week. By luck, it was perfectly dry. It was the best cure I have ever done. Smoke was great. I remember being very pleased with the highs. Two plants were put in the same wrapper, and I could tell which buds came from which plant. They cured to different colors.

I have not been doing this with my crop due to risk of failure and not having a good mass produced method. I like the method you are proposing, and I will start trying this with my next harvests. If it works for me like it is for you, I will find a way to scale up.

One question: Why would you not fill the jar most of the way full?

Thanks again for your valuable contributions.


ThaiBliss

 

[LostTribe]

Found a face trippin Zamaldelica in standard from ACE, lost it due to forgetting to plug in the aerocloner after a good cleaning.....oh well it was my first one out of the pack so I will get another shot at it soon. I am at 84 days of 11/13 on ACE old-timer's Purple Haze.

 

[Riddleme]

Riddleme and Satva - Thanks for your posts. You guys have been really good contributors to this thread.

Riddleme - Thanks for your experimentation. I've been following Tang's thread and I am a believer for a couple of reasons:

1.) His cobbed bud looks like ALL the weed I used to get back in the day. I believe most of it was due to bricking (oxygen deprivation) and shipping, possibly in a hot environment. B.T.W., this is the same way people discovered curing tobacco.

2.) I tried it myself years ago. I put a small harvest, about 2 dry weight ounces of wet trimmed bud in a tightly wrapped paper and placed it in a hot attic. I checked it in a week. By luck, it was perfectly dry. It was the best cure I have ever done. Smoke was great. I remember being very pleased with the highs. Two plants were put in the same wrapper, and I could tell which buds came from which plant. They cured to different colors.

I have not been doing this with my crop due to risk of failure and not having a good mass produced method. I like the method you are proposing, and I will start trying this with my next harvests. If it works for me like it is for you, I will find a way to scale up.

One question: Why would you not fill the jar most of the way full?

Thanks again for your valuable contributions.


ThaiBliss

The evaporated moisture collects on the inside of the glass jar at the top, prolly cause of that whole heat rises thing. But there is also a pressure that builds inside the jar, enough so, that it compacts the buds. My thinking was to give room for this to happen

 

[ThaiBliss]

The evaporated moisture collects on the inside of the glass jar at the top, prolly cause of that whole heat rises thing. But there is also a pressure that builds inside the jar, enough so, that it compacts the buds. My thinking was to give room for this to happen

Cool. Thanks.

 

[Koondense]

That doesn't sound logical for many reasons.
Condensation occurs mostly on glass surface, the top covers are usually insulated and have lower thermal conductivity. Glass is cooler than insulated metal and heat rises when convection occurs, otherwise heat expands in all directions.
Second, the T rise is proportional to pressure rise, which is minimal compared to the normal pressure. p>>delta p
And even if it was so such a small rise would probably have zero effect on bud compactness.

My guess is -> slower evaporation of water, terpenes + cannabinoid oils, the higher temps contribute to resin intake by plant material, so the bud "soaks" in resin and oils, losing almost nothing of the "good stuff".
A chemical analysis would tell a lot more than our guesses.

 

[nepalnt21]

so i really like getting super duper high (to the point of trippiness), but some types throw me off balance. i want to do things like yoga, dancing, tai chi, but my muscles get tense and i have lower coordination and concentration. it seems to be a symptom of modern hybrids in general, but would a pure sativa be the cure?

 

[Siever]

you can try it. Choose one with a clear high. I think Kali Mist from Serious seeds is like that from what I hear & read. I've never smoked it myself.

Siever

 

[Koondense]

I would suggest "Cognition" by Tropical Seeds. Cross of Congo Pointe Noire and Nepal Highland, a very clean high with slight body relaxation and can induce some almost visual trippiness, but mostly a mood changer. It had some spiritual qualities to me.
The variety is discontinued by Tropical but maybe you can still find some seeds around the web.

 

[ThaiBliss]

so i really like getting super duper high (to the point of trippiness), but some types throw me off balance. i want to do things like yoga, dancing, tai chi, but my muscles get tense and i have lower coordination and concentration. it seems to be a symptom of modern hybrids in general, but would a pure sativa be the cure?

The first one to come to my mind is my SAGE x Purple Haze Thai cross that I made. I found it to have a nice combination of high and stone. It had no couch lock. It was relaxing, dreamy, but with a distinct cerebral quality to it at the same time. Pure SAGE might do ya' like you want. I've achieved trippy like epiphanies on that, even though the high seems somewhat pedestrian at first.

I'd stay away from Bangi Haze. That one tripped out my ears. I could hear awesome, which was delightful. I love that stuff for the enhanced sensory effects, but it definitely screws with my balance and gave me brain farts. It is not energetic to the point of nervousness, but nothing could slow me down on that stuff. It was very motivational. I've heard similar things about the ears with Super Silver Haze.

I would point you towards Colombian lineage strains. Is there anyone who has tried Panama, and might be able to recommend that?

ThaiBliss

 

[Dr.King]

The first one to come to my mind is my SAGE x Purple Haze Thai cross that I made. I found it to have a nice combination of high and stone. It had no couch lock. It was relaxing, dreamy, but with a distinct cerebral quality to it at the same time. Pure SAGE might do ya' like you want. I've achieved trippy like epiphanies on that, even though the high seems somewhat pedestrian at first.

I'd stay away from Bangi Haze. That one tripped out my ears. I could hear awesome, which was delightful. I love that stuff for the enhanced sensory effects, but it definitely screws with my balance and gave me brain farts. It is not energetic to the point of nervousness, but nothing could slow me down on that stuff. It was very motivational. I've heard similar things about the ears with Super Silver Haze.

I would point you towards Colombian lineage strains. Is there anyone who has tried Panama, and might be able to recommend that?

ThaiBliss

I would tend to agree with you man. I didn't prefer Bangi Haze either but will give the newer version a go. Dubi said it's more well rounded then the earlier generations.

I'd recommend Panama or Oldtimer's Haze, both make you happy, relaxed, dreamy and makes you more confident as a person. I have a Cannabiogen Purple Mexican going at the moment that reminds me of their Panama. Both are just beautiful strains. However Ace's Panama breeder pack comes with a faster flowering pheno which finishes in just 10 weeks. CBG's took 18 weeks to flower, Ace's OTH took 24 weeks. It's really a easy call if you are short on time. Best of luck too everyone .

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Dr. King,

You have misread me. I do prefer Bangi Haze, but that is for me. The last thing I want is a "more well rounded" version of anything. I was just recommending something where the questioner would not feel thrown off balance. Now that I hear that the newer Bangi Haze versions are changing, I'll hold on to my cutting like it is a great work of art that will only gain value in time.



Thanks for helping out Nepalnt21.

Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[Dr.King]

I'd stay away from Bangi Haze.

ThaiBliss

Maybe I missed something in your post? Sorry. Not trying to start anything it's just you said that which is why I agreed and recommended Panama . No worries man, all good here. When I say a more all around version it's closer to the clone version so one doesn't get so many phenos. I grew out 5 and 4 where different. I've heard Bangi Haze is great so I can't wait to explore her more.