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The Search for Trip Weed
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Thanks for the compliment.
I'm on the northern edge (42 N) of a Mediterranean climate. Southern Oregon, USA.
I've had the pleasure of smoking SAGE for a couple months now and thought this thread might be a good place to post a report:
SAGE doesn’t take over your brain or body with an overwhelming intensity, the clarity seems to remain in the background enhancing every moment that you experience which is great if one enjoys a socially functional buzz. I think SAGE has a slight mood-elevating effect for me. It certainly won’t put me in a bad mood but I definitely notice more laughter while smoking SAGE. SAGE also doesn’t have a sleepy crash which is something I look for in any quality sativa. Hybrids give me a crash, SAGE does not.
It’s hard to feel really ripped off of SAGE. It just seems to lack that initial intensity that I like in most sativas. The ones that say ‘hold on to your hats, kids’ before morphing into something social, functional, and mood elevating. SAGE does have a bit of a blissful, euphoric effect but again it feels like it’s in the background of my day. This is not a bad thing as SAGE is very functional with very little stone to it.
A few things that SAGE has going for it that a lot of other sativas don’t is the sheer bag appeal and pungent aroma of the flowers. A lot of people smoke with their eyes first thinking that great looking flowers will smoke great and that not-so-great looking flowers wont smoke well at all. People who don’t know any better might look at an airy, foxtaily sativa flower (kali mist) and have no desire to try it. SAGE on the other hand is frosty with good density and the aroma will definitely carry. My takeaway is that SAGE is very good but if I could tweak something I would make the nuances of the high more bold and I think that's the difference between my KM and this SAGE. My kali mist has a nice cerebral intensity and when that starts to calm down at the 45 minute mark the high turns into something that is very similar to SAGE. But even then I think the mood elevating, euphoric, positive effects are more in the forefront with KM.
With my personal taste in sativas aside, SAGE gets requested by patients more than some of my personal favorites in my garden and I think that says a lot right there.
SAGE doesn’t take over your brain or body with an overwhelming intensity, the clarity seems to remain in the background enhancing every moment that you experience which is great if one enjoys a socially functional buzz. I think SAGE has a slight mood-elevating effect for me. It certainly won’t put me in a bad mood but I definitely notice more laughter while smoking SAGE. SAGE also doesn’t have a sleepy crash which is something I look for in any quality sativa. Hybrids give me a crash, SAGE does not.
It’s hard to feel really ripped off of SAGE. It just seems to lack that initial intensity that I like in most sativas. The ones that say ‘hold on to your hats, kids’ before morphing into something social, functional, and mood elevating. SAGE does have a bit of a blissful, euphoric effect but again it feels like it’s in the background of my day. This is not a bad thing as SAGE is very functional with very little stone to it.
A few things that SAGE has going for it that a lot of other sativas don’t is the sheer bag appeal and pungent aroma of the flowers. A lot of people smoke with their eyes first thinking that great looking flowers will smoke great and that not-so-great looking flowers wont smoke well at all. People who don’t know any better might look at an airy, foxtaily sativa flower (kali mist) and have no desire to try it. SAGE on the other hand is frosty with good density and the aroma will definitely carry. My takeaway is that SAGE is very good but if I could tweak something I would make the nuances of the high more bold and I think that's the difference between my KM and this SAGE. My kali mist has a nice cerebral intensity and when that starts to calm down at the 45 minute mark the high turns into something that is very similar to SAGE. But even then I think the mood elevating, euphoric, positive effects are more in the forefront with KM.
With my personal taste in sativas aside, SAGE gets requested by patients more than some of my personal favorites in my garden and I think that says a lot right there.
Wow! Just read the whole thread over the last couple of weeks. Amazing stuff all round. I wish legalisation was in Tanzania. Good luck with plants guys and excellent job trying to preserve those genetics for some of us who have only smoked what you guys call shwag/dirt weed all our lifes.
Only time I smoked something seedless was when I grew it myself, very hard to find that quality over here, guess we're all on a search.
Peace.
Only time I smoked something seedless was when I grew it myself, very hard to find that quality over here, guess we're all on a search.
Peace.
Greetings,
I'm getting some preliminary reports from patients on the bulk of what I grew in my garden this year, which was Nepal Jam and Bangi Haze x Nepal Jam. People are noticing that the high is of good quality, enjoyable, and that the high lasts longer than most. It is very rewarding to hear comments like this when going out on a limb to grow something unique. I am trying to drum up appreciation for strains that are more cerebral and trippy, rather than strains that have a stone type of high. I will reserve my judgment until a longer cure.
These plants are much more time consuming to process due to the airy and leafy bud structure. This difficulty, in combination with the fact that the plants were severely tested with regard to mold resistance, encouraged me to kill off 5 preservation cuts of my 12 Nepal Jam or Bangi x Nepal Jam plants for susceptibility to mold. The ones that came through with no mold or almost no mold will be tested thoroughly for quality and potency of the high, and will be used for future breeding. It is incredible to me that some of these survived almost 10 inches of rain in October, a record amount for this climate.
The other strains, my personal Wicked Weed, Ciskei, Jaeger, and a extremely lemon and distinctly un-skunky indica, no detectable myrcene, have yet to be tested. I would have to comment that one of the Jaegers, a very sativa looking pheno with small buds, was the terpene queen of the garden. It was incredibly pungent. It is fruity, root beer like, and sweet. It was the only plant that I could smell from more than one plant away. It overpowered other plants to the point that on several occasions, I could not tell where the aroma was coming from. I kept thinking it was coming from one plant until I got close to check. Then I would have to move on to other plants, and again could not find it. When I finally came across the source, it elicited a "Whoa!" exclamation from me. Online posts about Jaeger report a smash you in the face cerebral high, but a distinctly energy draining finish. Feeling a rough come down is not appealing to me, but I'm curious about the particular sativa looking and pungent pheno. A friend who sourced the seeds for me reported feeling disoriented and dizzy to the point of not wanting to drive. This is not an effect that I avoid. It sounds worthy of testing for myself.
I have successfully harvested a nice crop of seeds. My only concern is that I used only one untested male. This is probably unprofessional. The male was from my Wicked Weed line. In my defense, the Wicked Weed line is the most potent of my outdoor trippy weed. The best female was highly touted by all, indica or sativa connoisseurs alike. The male was the most thin leaved, sativa looking, and the most lemon dominant smelling. Here is a picture:
This male was crossed with my best mothers from last year. One was Fruity Pebbles. This was the most pungent plant from last year, despite the fact that it was one of the smallest plants. It was tied with my best Bangi Haze from last year for early ripening. It has a good cerebral high, but not as trippy, energetic, or as potent as the best Wick Weed mother. Several patients mentioned that they liked it the best due to the good taste it has. It is fruity, but with a distinctly old school Mexican smell and flavor. I can only describe it as smelling like pot, or what almost all pot smelled like in the good old days before skunky aromas started becoming dominant. I'll likely cull this mother due to Bangi Haze being more clean and clear, and Wicked Weed being more potent and trippy. The terpene power and early ripening traits are too valuable not to experiment with a bit since the high is cerebral in nature. Here is the Fruity Pebbles mother:
Another mother plant I pollinated with the male is my best Bangi Haze. The high from this is so clean, clear, and positive. It is also amazingly early for the sativa look that it has. I tried to grow some more pure Bangi Haze this year, but the best mother from two years ago was sterile. I purchased some more Bangi Haze seeds, but all 6 I planted failed to germinate. I'll try again next year with the 4 that are left. That is why I have Bangi Haze x Nepal Jam plants. The Bangi male was sterile to the Bangi mother, but not sterile to the Nepal Jam mother. With luck, using this Wicked Weed male will increase cerebral and trippy potency, while maintaining some of that special clarity of the Bangi Haze. Here is the Bangi Haze mother:
The last mother plant I used this male to pollinate was my best Wicked Weed from last year. This is the plant that convinced me that I can shed the stony couch lock traits from a previous ill advised cross. Now that this line is several generations away from the indica cross I did to it, I'm finding strong, energetic, and trippy individuals. I have to credit outcrosses to Burmese, and Trainwreck. I'm only line breeding now that I'm finding acceptable mothers. The mother I'm using has lemon, menthol, pine, and fruity terpenes. Some people do complain that they feel anxious if they don't get off the couch and go for a walk outside after smoking, but in my opinion, this is what we are supposed to do when getting high. Get off the couch, and go on a trip! Here she is:
Keep on Trippin'
ThaiBliss
I'm getting some preliminary reports from patients on the bulk of what I grew in my garden this year, which was Nepal Jam and Bangi Haze x Nepal Jam. People are noticing that the high is of good quality, enjoyable, and that the high lasts longer than most. It is very rewarding to hear comments like this when going out on a limb to grow something unique. I am trying to drum up appreciation for strains that are more cerebral and trippy, rather than strains that have a stone type of high. I will reserve my judgment until a longer cure.
These plants are much more time consuming to process due to the airy and leafy bud structure. This difficulty, in combination with the fact that the plants were severely tested with regard to mold resistance, encouraged me to kill off 5 preservation cuts of my 12 Nepal Jam or Bangi x Nepal Jam plants for susceptibility to mold. The ones that came through with no mold or almost no mold will be tested thoroughly for quality and potency of the high, and will be used for future breeding. It is incredible to me that some of these survived almost 10 inches of rain in October, a record amount for this climate.
The other strains, my personal Wicked Weed, Ciskei, Jaeger, and a extremely lemon and distinctly un-skunky indica, no detectable myrcene, have yet to be tested. I would have to comment that one of the Jaegers, a very sativa looking pheno with small buds, was the terpene queen of the garden. It was incredibly pungent. It is fruity, root beer like, and sweet. It was the only plant that I could smell from more than one plant away. It overpowered other plants to the point that on several occasions, I could not tell where the aroma was coming from. I kept thinking it was coming from one plant until I got close to check. Then I would have to move on to other plants, and again could not find it. When I finally came across the source, it elicited a "Whoa!" exclamation from me. Online posts about Jaeger report a smash you in the face cerebral high, but a distinctly energy draining finish. Feeling a rough come down is not appealing to me, but I'm curious about the particular sativa looking and pungent pheno. A friend who sourced the seeds for me reported feeling disoriented and dizzy to the point of not wanting to drive. This is not an effect that I avoid. It sounds worthy of testing for myself.
I have successfully harvested a nice crop of seeds. My only concern is that I used only one untested male. This is probably unprofessional. The male was from my Wicked Weed line. In my defense, the Wicked Weed line is the most potent of my outdoor trippy weed. The best female was highly touted by all, indica or sativa connoisseurs alike. The male was the most thin leaved, sativa looking, and the most lemon dominant smelling. Here is a picture:
This male was crossed with my best mothers from last year. One was Fruity Pebbles. This was the most pungent plant from last year, despite the fact that it was one of the smallest plants. It was tied with my best Bangi Haze from last year for early ripening. It has a good cerebral high, but not as trippy, energetic, or as potent as the best Wick Weed mother. Several patients mentioned that they liked it the best due to the good taste it has. It is fruity, but with a distinctly old school Mexican smell and flavor. I can only describe it as smelling like pot, or what almost all pot smelled like in the good old days before skunky aromas started becoming dominant. I'll likely cull this mother due to Bangi Haze being more clean and clear, and Wicked Weed being more potent and trippy. The terpene power and early ripening traits are too valuable not to experiment with a bit since the high is cerebral in nature. Here is the Fruity Pebbles mother:
Another mother plant I pollinated with the male is my best Bangi Haze. The high from this is so clean, clear, and positive. It is also amazingly early for the sativa look that it has. I tried to grow some more pure Bangi Haze this year, but the best mother from two years ago was sterile. I purchased some more Bangi Haze seeds, but all 6 I planted failed to germinate. I'll try again next year with the 4 that are left. That is why I have Bangi Haze x Nepal Jam plants. The Bangi male was sterile to the Bangi mother, but not sterile to the Nepal Jam mother. With luck, using this Wicked Weed male will increase cerebral and trippy potency, while maintaining some of that special clarity of the Bangi Haze. Here is the Bangi Haze mother:
The last mother plant I used this male to pollinate was my best Wicked Weed from last year. This is the plant that convinced me that I can shed the stony couch lock traits from a previous ill advised cross. Now that this line is several generations away from the indica cross I did to it, I'm finding strong, energetic, and trippy individuals. I have to credit outcrosses to Burmese, and Trainwreck. I'm only line breeding now that I'm finding acceptable mothers. The mother I'm using has lemon, menthol, pine, and fruity terpenes. Some people do complain that they feel anxious if they don't get off the couch and go for a walk outside after smoking, but in my opinion, this is what we are supposed to do when getting high. Get off the couch, and go on a trip! Here she is:
Keep on Trippin'
ThaiBliss
ThaiBliss, I really respect all the work you put into your grows.....nice job sir 
ThaiBliss, I really respect all the work you put into your grows.....nice job sir
Thanks for the good vibes.
Homebrewer - Thanks for the great SAGE smoke report. I think your assessment was spot on. I once had a Big Sur Holy Weed green pheno. I culled it because it did not quite have the kick that I was hoping for. Funny thing was, I would up missing it. Finding something with the kick I desire has not been so easy if also looking to maintain at least the same quality of the high. Similar to the SAGE I have, it also seemed to peak with some special clarity about an hour into the high. I find myself holding onto exceptionally clean highs like Bangi Haze and SAGE. Bangi Haze is a bit more sensory enhancing\trippy, while I find the SAGE more of a thought process type of trippy, even if mildly so. My patients who appreciate these types also seem to prefer the SAGE to Bangi Haze for the smell and taste.
LostTribe - You are on the right track with Zamaldelica. I hope you get a good experience with it. I have not tried the Purple Haze, but I liked the offspring of the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai. It had incredible bag appeal and nose. There was some stone to it, but not enough to cover up the cerebral effects. It was more obviously potent than SAGE, but did not have the moments of Zen type of profundity I can sometimes get with a particularly well grown batch of SAGE.
Topace - Thanks for taking the time to read the entire thread. This has started to get lengthy. I'll take that as a compliment to our posters here. I'm wondering how you found out about it. Perhaps it is because I have taken an interest in African strains. I love my Bangi Haze (Congolese) and I'm really looking forward to testing the Ciskei I grew this year. I'm also sitting on a sample of Urban Poison, which is supposed to be mostly Durban Poison. It smells like a sativa indica cross, but the menthol and spice comes through and reminds me of Ciskei.
How is everyone else doing? Any trip weed discoveries? I use this as one thread for all my grows, but it is not intended for me alone. I'm hoping to get more smoke reports and grow postings from others. Keep them coming. Just keep it for strains that get you high, not stoned. Hopefully we will find some truly trippy genetics.
ThaiBliss
@ThaiBliss yeah you're right, I was looking for people's reviews of African strains when I stumbled on this thread. That's all I've ever smoked anyway.. In particular I wanted to find where you guys actually get those strains from am still waiting to smoke a strain that would have me tripping/seeing colours/hearing voices. Must be something, maybe one day I will stumble across something great.
Peace.
Peace.
After about an 8 month cure my zamaldelica is pure euphoria. A little trippy but not massively. Deep insights and total gratitude. I am totally in love with the strain. I want to make a potent edible and let its trip come forth!
I have thai leaning zamaldelicas off to a great start. I have also this unknown mango smelling skunkman haze/ zamaldelica cross going, really looking good, vigorous grower and so hardy. The skunkman is quite trippy, no idea what it is though; wonderful mango smell, all head realm. I reckon the cross will be awesome. My first outdoor run, won't be ready for a while. But I am trying to get my trip weed on bro.
one of my Nepalese/phz gals has strong psychoactive attributes. I was surprised. I went to the Satori Nepalese site (Mandala) and here's what I found:
http://www.mandalaseeds.com/Catalogue/Satori
I mixed the buds from several Nepalese/phz plants as these were small plants ( guerilla grow, no summer rain at this location). At least one gal was very psychoactive and at least one gal was not as i'm getting different high effects from different buds. still need time for a good cure and lots of smoking for thorough review.
^ outdoor grown bud 2016.
I've been posting some on how good satori is in hybrids here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=7111196#post7111196
Greetings,
Topace - I can't really say I've had the experience of seeing colors or hearing voices. I may be just too stubborn or opinionated. LOL. Even acid or psilocybin does nothing but enhance what is already there. That is my belief. When I start to doze off or wake up, even completely sober, I always have very vivid dream states. I can extend those by dancing on the edge, on purpose. For me a good trippy experience is just sensory enhancement, profundity, detachment from my body, or a blissful mood that makes me feel closely connected to the universe.
Have you read Tangwena's cobbing thread? You should check it out.
NKSV - Sounds like a great find. I grew a trippy one, but it was more introspective and a bit dark. I have plenty of seeds to try again once I narrow down my cutting collection. I always recommend Zamaldelica for those searching. It has great genetics in there. Haze is always worth looking through. It is not so easy to find good ones, but when you do, they are the very best, in my opinion. Please keep us posted on how the crosses work out.
Idiit - I forgot about Satori. It sounded good, but I don't stumble across many posts about it. Leave it to you to find those hidden gems. Good job. The buds look very nice. Please post a thorough smoke report here when you are ready.
Thanks everyone,
ThaiBliss
Topace - I can't really say I've had the experience of seeing colors or hearing voices. I may be just too stubborn or opinionated. LOL. Even acid or psilocybin does nothing but enhance what is already there. That is my belief. When I start to doze off or wake up, even completely sober, I always have very vivid dream states. I can extend those by dancing on the edge, on purpose. For me a good trippy experience is just sensory enhancement, profundity, detachment from my body, or a blissful mood that makes me feel closely connected to the universe.
Have you read Tangwena's cobbing thread? You should check it out.
NKSV - Sounds like a great find. I grew a trippy one, but it was more introspective and a bit dark. I have plenty of seeds to try again once I narrow down my cutting collection. I always recommend Zamaldelica for those searching. It has great genetics in there. Haze is always worth looking through. It is not so easy to find good ones, but when you do, they are the very best, in my opinion. Please keep us posted on how the crosses work out.
Idiit - I forgot about Satori. It sounded good, but I don't stumble across many posts about it. Leave it to you to find those hidden gems. Good job. The buds look very nice. Please post a thorough smoke report here when you are ready.
Thanks everyone,
ThaiBliss
Yea, for me trippy is seeing things in a new light not seeing things that are not there. Though I have had just a bit of that but it never lasts, corner of the eyes stuff.
The highest I got 41 years ago, I saw nothing that was not there. I saw everything like a one year old would. New and fresh, fascinating. Result was, that I felt like I had landed on a alien planet.
Got Acapulco Gold and Highland Mexican x Blueberry and First Lady going next grow. 3 trippy old Mexicans. A unknown Mexican is where I got that great old high.
The highest I got 41 years ago, I saw nothing that was not there. I saw everything like a one year old would. New and fresh, fascinating. Result was, that I felt like I had landed on a alien planet.
Got Acapulco Gold and Highland Mexican x Blueberry and First Lady going next grow. 3 trippy old Mexicans. A unknown Mexican is where I got that great old high.
Lyfespan
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i ran CFSB satori haze, it get me in a whirl pretty good, cant wait to start popping thru the 20 mandalas i picked up a few years back
That's what I'm talking about!
Lyfespan - Please post pictures and updates here as you search through those seeds.
So... what genetics went into Satori? Do I have it right that it is Nepalese x Purple Haze? If so, I might cross my SAGE x Purple Haze Thai with a Bangi Haze (Nepalese x Congolese) x Wicked Weed to bring down the ripening time.
I want to funnel all the good genetics I'm saving down to 3 or 4 separate lines. I will try to keep the ones that are most related together in the hopes of phenotypes from ancient lineages will pop out of the population now and then.
All - If you think or know you are on to a trippy variety, feel free to use this thread as your grow journal. If trippy is what you are searching for, breading, smoking, remembering, or writing about, I'd like this thread to be the "one stop shop". It could be a time saver.
ThaiBliss
Satori is interesting high for sure, very different
Wish Mike would share more background info on his strains
Wish Mike would share more background info on his strains
